Started my first attempt at a full cage for the Dolphin 614. Started with a slug of aluminum and turned ID & OD so far. Next the holes and milling .... We shall see if I can avoid screwing it up. Undecided yet on reel stand setup and cut outs.
Ya Got My Attention ................... :d :d
very nice!!!!
Looking good.
Mike
Whoa! Cool dude. Can't wait to see the progress. Man I wish I had machinist skills and tools.
Hillbilly, I got you covered on stand feet, if you wish. I have both some Penn International stands from 30 VISX tubular frame (probably way overkill for the Dolphin, and the radius may not match) and some Tiburon straight feet that would only require you to mill or file a rectangular slot on your tube, and tap two holes. Bang. Yours to play with, if you want. Just PM me your address.
John
Quote from: thorhammer on August 08, 2022, 12:37:11 PMHillbilly, I got you covered on stand feet, if you wish. I have both some Penn International stands from 30 VISX tubular frame (probably way overkill for the Dolphin, and the radius may not match) and some Tiburon straight feet that would only require you to mill or file a rectangular slot on your tube, and tap two holes. Bang. Yours to play with, if you want. Just PM me your address.
John
That may be a dandy solution. Alan had posted some links to Penn stands at mystic. I had considered trying to machine a slot to accept the original factory seat, but not studied it enough yet. Can you post a pic of the tib stand please or message me. whatever is easier. Very kind offer and thank you
Info PMd Thorhammer
Was planning on milling a flat anyway
Maannn We should be neighbors , we be like gasoline and matches
I have been on the look out for some aluminium stock for the same reasons .
Did you start with solid stock or heavy wall tube stock ?
It never ceases to amaze me when I see the fabricating skills of some of you here, and what projects you'll attempt. Can't wait to see the result, Hillbilly. :d
Quote from: oldmanjoe on August 08, 2022, 02:33:21 PMMaannn We should be neighbors , we be like gasoline and matches
I have been on the look out for some aluminium stock for the same reasons .
Did you start with solid stock or heavy wall tube stock ?
In this case it was a solid slug, but have used tubing before for making cross bars. tubing makes things easier but not always easy to find in useable meat on diameters ID/OD
Quote from: oldmanjoe on August 08, 2022, 02:33:21 PMMaannn We should be neighbors , we be like gasoline and matches
I have been on the look out for some aluminium stock for the same reasons .
Did you start with solid stock or heavy wall tube stock ?
Only downside to solid slug is waste of material, takes more time, and ya have a pile of chips up ta ya @ss
You an`t kidding , doesn`t take long to fill up 3 groceries bags of ribbons and chips ...
Quote from: WVHillbilly on August 08, 2022, 03:29:26 PMQuote from: oldmanjoe on August 08, 2022, 02:33:21 PMMaannn We should be neighbors , we be like gasoline and matches
I have been on the look out for some aluminium stock for the same reasons .
Did you start with solid stock or heavy wall tube stock ?
Only downside to solid slug is waste of material, takes more time, and ya have a pile of chips up ta ya @ss
Too bad you don't have a DEEP HOLE SAW attachment so you could save a chunk. Make frames for the next smaller size Reel, Then the Next ,Then the Next.
How much an equipment upgrade is it to keep them chips and melt em down?
Quote from: oldmanjoe on August 08, 2022, 05:36:04 PMYou an`t kidding , doesn`t take long to fill up 3 groceries bags of ribbons and chips ...
Yup. I made a couple of spools recently.
You need an apprentice to clean the shop!
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on August 08, 2022, 06:48:52 PMHow much an equipment upgrade is it to keep them chips and melt em down?
Molten Aluminum Stream
Application Overview
The smelting of aluminum occurs at 800°C/1475°F, while the melting point of aluminum is 660°C/1190°F. As a result, the molten aluminum contains excess thermal energy as it is drawn from the smelting pot. This excess energy is sometimes used to melt supplementary recycled aluminum before the metal is poured into the ingot molds. The addition of this supplemental aluminum cools the stream, therefore an accurate, real-time stream temperature is essential for optimal efficiency.
You can get a 110 volt small smelter for a couple hundred bux.
At around 20 or so a slug, I will stick with what I know. I'd burn the dang shop down. now lead another matter for other things
Quote from: Robert Janssen on August 08, 2022, 06:59:32 PMQuote from: oldmanjoe on August 08, 2022, 05:36:04 PMYou an`t kidding , doesn`t take long to fill up 3 groceries bags of ribbons and chips ...
Yup. I made a couple of spools recently.
Nice machine ya got there. Much nicer then my old 1939 atlas 10" I brought home in baskets and boxes. Same with my mill".... Rebuilt it all from scratch. Does fine but gotta use patience and a bit of touch here and there. Scored a nice, barely used SB heavy ten with all the extras, but fellas I do work for needed a decent lathe to make some company specific parts. I am too nice a fella. Should have kept it for myself.
Quote from: Robert Janssen on August 08, 2022, 06:59:32 PMQuote from: oldmanjoe on August 08, 2022, 05:36:04 PMYou an`t kidding , doesn`t take long to fill up 3 groceries bags of ribbons and chips ...
Yup. I made a couple of spools recently.
Looks more like you made custom Christmas tinsel and had a couple of spools left over.
Quote from: Wompus Cat on August 08, 2022, 10:52:27 PMQuote from: JasonGotaProblem on August 08, 2022, 06:48:52 PMHow much an equipment upgrade is it to keep them chips and melt em down?
Molten Aluminum Stream
Application Overview
The smelting of aluminum occurs at 800°C/1475°F, while the melting point of aluminum is 660°C/1190°F. As a result, the molten aluminum contains excess thermal energy as it is drawn from the smelting pot. This excess energy is sometimes used to melt supplementary recycled aluminum before the metal is poured into the ingot molds. The addition of this supplemental aluminum cools the stream, therefore an accurate, real-time stream temperature is essential for optimal efficiency.
You can get a 110 volt small smelter for a couple hundred bux.
Normally the aluminum curlies go in a barrel and get sold to the recycler.
You could buy a little forge to melt it all down and cast it into ingots. Probably won't be able to fit half a pound of curlies in a four pound crucible. But now you have ingots. 6061 ingots wont be so great for machining or gravity casting (unless you also get into alloying), but you can sell them to the recycler ;D
The argument against tubular stock is that internal stresses from the tube formation get relieved as you cut it, so it is harder to hold dimensional accuracy unless you start with thicker stock and skin it first. Don't know how big a deal this is, but this is how it was explained to me. Curious if anybody here has tried it and has some real world results.
Always fun to see members machining projects!
-J
ERR UHH 6061 IS an aluminium alloy, containing magnesium and silicon as its major alloying elements. It has good mechanical properties and exhibits good weldability. It is one of the most common alloys of aluminium for general purpose use.
A general plinker is not going to be able to per say melt down used ribbons and chips of 6061 to use for machining new parts like the ones you are extruding from the blank you used to start with .However if you are able to mix a little proportionate Silicon Metal with it you would get 356 which industry makes engine blocks and heads out of then if you could presureize this molted material into molds you would have limitless possibilities or just sell the ingots as scrap and it fetches more than chips at the re-cyclers and use the proceeds to buy more of the material you want .
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Quote from: Wompus Cat on August 10, 2022, 06:22:42 PMERR UHH 6061 IS an aluminium alloy, containing magnesium and silicon as its major alloying elements. It has good mechanical properties and exhibits good weldability. It is one of the most common alloys of aluminium for general purpose use.
A general plinker is not going to be able to per say melt down used ribbons and chips of 6061 to use for machining new parts like the ones you are extruding from the blank you used to start with .However if you are able to mix a little proportionate Silicon Metal with it you would get 356 which industry makes engine blocks and heads out of then if you could presureize this molted material into molds you would have limitless possibilities or just sell the ingots as scrap and it fetches more than chips at the re-cyclers and use the proceeds to buy more of the material you want .
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You sure like to argue Henry :)
Did you notice that you were agreeing with me :)
Quote from: jurelometer on August 10, 2022, 05:57:18 PM6061 ingots wont be so great for machining or gravity casting (unless you also get into alloying)
Something like less than 1% silicone in 6061, and something like 10% in 380 (a common alloy for gravity casting). 6061 was formulated to be poured, rolled and then machined. Has some fluidity issues, so they recommend centrifugal if you are going to cast the stuff. I haven't cast aluminum since high school, but at the local shop, the sand casting crowd walked right past those barrels of 6061 scrap in search of old engine blocks or the holy grail- aluminum wheels. Whatever was in the wheel alloy (more nickle?) tended to make for a better surface finish.
Skipping all the time spent in front of a forge, I would be curious if the cost of melting down the curlies into ingots justified the increased price.
-J
Didnt mean to start a fight.
Quote from: jurelometer on August 10, 2022, 07:46:59 PMQuote from: Wompus Cat on August 10, 2022, 06:22:42 PMERR UHH 6061 IS an aluminium alloy, containing magnesium and silicon as its major alloying elements. It has good mechanical properties and exhibits good weldability. It is one of the most common alloys of aluminium for general purpose use.
A general plinker is not going to be able to per say melt down used ribbons and chips of 6061 to use for machining new parts like the ones you are extruding from the blank you used to start with .However if you are able to mix a little proportionate Silicon Metal with it you would get 356 which industry makes engine blocks and heads out of then if you could presureize this molted material into molds you would have limitless possibilities or just sell the ingots as scrap and it fetches more than chips at the re-cyclers and use the proceeds to buy more of the material you want .
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You sure like to argue Henry :)
Did you notice that you were agreeing with me :)
Quote from: jurelometer on August 10, 2022, 05:57:18 PM6061 ingots wont be so great for machining or gravity casting (unless you also get into alloying)
Something like less than 1% silicone in 6061, and something like 10% in 380 (a common alloy for gravity casting). 6061 was formulated to be poured, rolled and then machined. Has some fluidity issues, so they recommend centrifugal if you are going to cast the stuff. I haven't cast aluminum since high school, but at the local shop, the sand casting crowd walked right past those barrels of 6061 scrap in search of old engine blocks or the holy grail- aluminum wheels. Whatever was in the wheel alloy (more nickle?) tended to make for a better surface finish.
Skipping all the time spent in front of a forge, I would be curious if the cost of melting down the curlies into ingots justified the increased price.
-J
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Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on August 10, 2022, 07:56:02 PMDidnt mean to start a fight.
Not your fault. An honest question. Deserves an honest answer.
Hopefully back on topic now.
-J
What's the sense of wrestling with a pig? You both get all over muddy . . . and the pig likes it. - CS Ching
Well ... got a bit ahead of myself and fugged it up a bit. Trying to see if I can salvage it now. Cortez Customs was kind enough to send me a reel seat for the project. Locating the side plate screw holes requires a lot of attention. Couple thou off might as well be a couple feet. I wasn't feeling the best either, and was in too damn big a hurry to get the fist holes located and drilled. This is how we learn sometimes. if I cannot salvage the piece then. New one will needed turned, and may be able to use this one for some cross bars.
I know what you mean ... I do not have a rotary table either . So it`s trying to make templates and index marks .
Post pictures so i can learn or plug up the problem ::)
Hope you come up with an easier solution than I did - I was having trouble aligning the holes on stands and spacer bars and ended up making templates with alignment posts, it's a lot of messing around to start with but makes it easier. Started with a jigmaster hole pattern with my 'underhead' project https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26065.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26065.0)
Also used the same process with a squidder one piece frame https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=28033.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=28033.0)
Hope that gives you some ideas.
Mike
Quote from: mhc on August 21, 2022, 01:53:37 PMHope you come up with an easier solution than I did - I was having trouble aligning the holes on stands and spacer bars and ended up making templates with alignment posts, it's a lot of messing around to start with but makes it easier. Started with a jigmaster hole pattern with my 'underhead' project https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26065.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26065.0)
Also used the same process with a squidder one piece frame https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=28033.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=28033.0)
Hope that gives you some ideas.
Mike
I use a similar process but hole number one has GOT to be spot on or very, very close ... or things go to hell from there.
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I don`t know how i missed this thread all these years , but i am going back for a slow read ...
Lots of jig engineering going on .
WELL i drop this in the wrong thread , was suppose to go in . https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=26065.0
Posting cause not everything in life goes as planned. Not proud of the fug up, but such is life. Decided to drill the cross holes slightly over sized instead of press fit, to allow some degree of error ... broke through. i will NOT be happy with this even if I could save it. So back to square one and a better plan, setup and execution. Rather embarrassed to even post this, TBH the inside edge chamfer likely caused the deflection is my guess. Aint gonna be straight if it don't start straight.
Don`t be embarrassed You didn`t invent the deep hole blow out . I would still hang on to it .
I would press round stock in the hole or holes and try a new location call it the prototype .
Hey brother, I got pulled out of town, actually the country, but gonna mail your seats when I get back. I imagine this won't be your only one. One is the Tib foot which is likely what Tom sent, since my spare Tib feet came from replacing with some he color anodized. The other is the Penn Int foot. Yours to play with as you choose. Just post pics :)
To dare greatly is to fail occasionally. Such is life. Looking forward to seeing round 2.
Ain't heard Narry a Word from the HilBilly ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in over a month . Hope all is well with him .
Quote from: Wompus Cat on September 27, 2022, 02:08:51 AMAin't heard Narry a Word from the HilBilly ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in over a month . Hope all is well with him .
We may have bored him
we didn't bore HIM
HE bored a hunk of aluminum (and botched it, a little?)
I have faith he'll bore the next one, just right & tell us all about it...
WompusCat was kind enough to send me a message and jogged my bean. Had to reset my damn password too. Been getting back up to speed after having a mild stroke. Doing just fine, but in wifes eyes I gotta eat peas and carrots for a bit.
Quote from: oldmanjoe on August 21, 2022, 03:42:35 PMDon`t be embarrassed You didn`t invent the deep hole blow out . I would still hang on to it .
I would press round stock in the hole or holes and try a new location call it the prototype .
i will likely do just that. Thank you kindly for reenforcing that idea
Quote from: philaroman on September 27, 2022, 02:36:23 PMwe didn't bore HIM
HE bored a hunk of aluminum (and botched it, a little?)
I have faith he'll bore the next one, just right & tell us all about it...
LOL! Great group of guys here
Yikes- Glad to see you are back in action!
-J
Weather is cooling down, and bean coming up to speed so I plan to get back on this very soon. I have another chunk of material, but may try to still use the mess up. I may have no real choice but to make a jig to make sure everything stays and locates. My primary screw up was that inside chamfer. I should have left the edge square and dealt with at chamfer later. It was just to allow clearance for the metal side plate rings. Worse case is I turn it into cross bars
I coulda been somebody...I coulda been a chamfer...Instead of a palooka. :'( Dominick
Quote from: WVHillbilly on September 27, 2022, 11:15:40 PMWeather is cooling down, and bean coming up to speed so I plan to get back on this very soon. I have another chunk of material, but may try to still use the mess up. I may have no real choice but to make a jig to make sure everything stays and locates. My primary screw up was that inside chamfer. I should have left the edge square and dealt with at chamfer later. It was just to allow clearance for the metal side plate rings. Worse case is I turn it into cross bars
I know what you mean about the progression steps . I should have done this, before i did that. That`s how we end up with prototypes . That`s how we learn to master the craft ..
Hey Hill Billy! Your seats shouldve arrived- lemme know. Hope you are doing well, brother!!!
John
Doing fine. Just had zero time to work in my shop. Did manage to make a surf rod storage system for my garage door. Stands are very nice. Thank you!