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Fishing => Lures => Topic started by: JasonGotaProblem on September 01, 2022, 04:27:57 AM

Title: Wild hare idea
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on September 01, 2022, 04:27:57 AM
I was putting together some shark rig leaders for this weekend, and had a random idea and ran with it. Nothing new under the sun I'm sure I did not invent it but I dont know what it would be called.

It's 2 8/0 circle hooks crimped facing each other on 60# stainless with 2 different colors of silver thread plus red and green and stiff white synth hair sorta around the outside. Above that is a 4oz weight and a crimped on swivel. The tag ends from the crimps were left long and tucked into the weight.

A part of me wants to do another skirt of thread attached above the weight. But that might be too much.

I have no idea if it'll work well. Only one way to find out. Bet it casts well.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Bill B on September 01, 2022, 04:55:39 AM
I like the idea.  Are you thinking of fishing chuck bait, whole bait, or just as is? 
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: philaroman on September 01, 2022, 05:04:53 PM
I think the way circles work, 2 together might get in each other's way
the way you have it, I'd want 2 J-hooks positioned opposite each other
(wrapped w/ copper rigging wire...  whipped...  however temp/perm you want)
OR
1 ringed circle w/ really good swivel (BB... whatever...  as long as it rotates freely AND strong)
EDIT: bead-chain swivel...  that's the one I forgot, 
that might be better than BB or regular crane...  if available shark-strength

I'm sure somebody, somewhere has tried 2 circles on 1 ring & discarded the idea
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Midway Tommy on September 01, 2022, 05:25:04 PM
I'm not highly experienced in saltwater techniques but I have to agree with Phil on this one. It seems to me that the hooks will most likely work against each other and defeat the circle hook purpose.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Shellbelly on September 02, 2022, 02:56:51 PM
Quote from: philaroman on September 01, 2022, 05:04:53 PMI think the way circles work, 2 together might get in each other's way
the way you have it, I'd want 2 J-hooks positioned opposite each other

I think these are what is typically built to stabilize "hook conflict".
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on September 02, 2022, 05:51:08 PM
Thanks for the input guys. There's a reason I posted it as "wild hare idea" not "brilliant idea you should all copy without question"

I suspect I'll make a round 2 with J hooks. But I'm still gonna give this version a try. For science!
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: handi2 on September 02, 2022, 07:23:04 PM
Are you fishing in the surf or bay?

4oz is not very heavy.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: philaroman on September 02, 2022, 09:04:21 PM
look around at the tandem rigs of the type that Alex posted
much variety for ideas & prices that encourage DIY   ;)
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: boon on September 08, 2022, 11:17:34 PM
Eh, fish it and see if it works. Proof is in the pudding, the fish don't know the rules.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on September 30, 2022, 05:12:44 AM
Version 2.0
Gamakatsu 6/0 J hooks back to back

Red thread tail by the hook

Silver gray and a bit of gold on the wings.

But hopefully not long enough to foul up the hook. 

3oz weight.

Still no clue what I'm doing here. But its fun. 
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Alan Matsuno on September 30, 2022, 03:22:53 PM
Double hook sturgeon rig.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Midway Tommy on September 30, 2022, 04:34:50 PM
Why not just use a standard double hook? ???
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on September 30, 2022, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on September 30, 2022, 04:34:50 PMWhy not just use a standard double hook? ???
I cant answer that with anything other than personal opinion. I've never used a double hook but my all consuming hatred of treble hooks has led me to assume I'd hate those too.

Plus this is me just messing around with ideas. I'll certainly try to fish it but I can't claim my idea is based on anything established.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 21, 2022, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on September 30, 2022, 05:12:44 AMVersion 2.0
Gamakatsu 6/0 J hooks back to back
...

Still no clue what I'm doing here. But its fun.
This got eaten at skyway. I had it on a wire leader casting it out with a surf rod and cranking in as fast as I could. Got hit HARD and pulled into the rocks on like the 5th cast. I'm gonna make another. 
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: boon on November 22, 2022, 02:56:05 AM
Does it need to be on wire? Try tieing the same thing with assist cord and run the hooks at slightly different heights, in theory more chances if the fish bites elsewhere on the jig-thing.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: oc1 on November 22, 2022, 07:31:32 AM
I'm with Boon.  Stagger the hooks, one above the other.  Put each on a loop so they can swing free.  The top hook will go through the head of the bait.  The lower hook will go through the bait closer to the tail.  The distance between hooks will depend on the size of the bait.  Use larger hooks staggered farther apart for a larger mullet.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Wally15 on November 22, 2022, 11:35:02 AM
This post interests me on several levels. I'm not a shark fisherman, but the topic heading caught my interest.
Wild Hare - as in a rascally rabbit. I always thought it was Wild Hair - as in a hair brained idea. Both make sense if you think about it.
Any entymologists care to comment?
Yeah, things are a little slow this week.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
GA Mike
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on November 22, 2022, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Wally15 on November 22, 2022, 11:35:02 AMThis post interests me on several levels. I'm not a shark fisherman, but the topic heading caught my interest.
Wild Hare - as in a rascally rabbit. I always thought it was Wild Hair - as in a hair brained idea. Both make sense if you think about it.
Any entymologists care to comment?
Yeah, things are a little slow this week.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
GA Mike
Figures of speech can be wild. For example the origin of the phrase is that one might think wild or crazy thoughts while a rabbit is lodged up in one's butthole.

Re: staggered hooks, I'm on board with the idea. I'll do that next time. However I have no idea how to space them based on the target as I have no specific target in mind.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: oc1 on November 23, 2022, 04:44:35 AM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on November 22, 2022, 11:52:42 AMI have no idea how to space them based on the target as I have no specific target in mind.
You space them based on the size of the bait.
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: philaroman on November 23, 2022, 08:43:16 AM
try blade/clevis in front
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: boon on November 23, 2022, 07:41:26 PM
Quote from: Wally15 on November 22, 2022, 11:35:02 AMAny entymologists care to comment?

Etymologically speaking, entomology is the study of insects, but etymology is the study of words, although it is not uncommon to see these combined into entymology, which I will claim is the study of the naming of insects  :d
Title: Re: Wild hare idea
Post by: Wally15 on November 23, 2022, 10:02:01 PM
Quote from: boon on November 23, 2022, 07:41:26 PM
Quote from: Wally15 on November 22, 2022, 11:35:02 AMAny entymologists care to comment?

Etymologically speaking, entomology is the study of insects, but etymology is the study of words, although it is not uncommon to see these combined into entymology, which I will claim is the study of the naming of insects  :d
I should get half credit for being close. Unless it's a spelling bee. which is a flying insect.  ;D
Mike