Lights up like a Christmas tree. Hooks up to your phone. Asian videos on it, so I cannot tell exactly why.... The future is scary to my old bones!
I can't think why a reel should be connected, but then I probably have 15 connected devices in my home between 2 senior persons. I would not have believed that 10 years ago.
Watch fishing videos if the fish are slow. :d
Quote from: jurelometer on January 21, 2023, 12:22:24 AMEek!
The reel connects to the limitbreaker reel app that you have to have loaded on a compatible smartphone.
The app is used to set the mode/algorithm for the electronic cast control/anti-backlash on the reel, as well as collecting statistics about number of casts, casting distance, blah blah, blah.
https://www-daiwa-com.translate.goog/jp/fishing/item/special/product/im_z_limitbreaker_tw-c/connecting-system.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-daiwa-com.translate.goog/jp/fishing/item/special/product/im_z_limitbreaker_tw-c/connecting-system.html?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
The light on the reel lets you know what cast control mode you are in. I keep checking the date, and it is not April 1st, but maybe they use a different day in Japan. I can only imagine the look a Baja pangero would give me if I took out my phone to adjust my reel :o
And check out the fashion/lifestyle photos on the intro page for the reel. This could work as a futuristic fisherman concept costume for Burning Man.
https://www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/special/product/im_z_limitbreaker_tw-c/index.html# (https://www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/special/product/im_z_limitbreaker_tw-c/index.html#)
And while I am ranting, what kind of name is "Limitbreaker" for a fishing reel? Was "Poacher" already taken? How about running the English language usage through native speakers who are also subject matter proficient? They actually used the phrase "over the limit together" on the intro page.
My verdict:
-J
Japanese market only reel I'd say (casual reminder to our US friends that countries do exist outside of the combined Americas :fish ). Limit breaker has a different meaning over there, means to exceed what you were previously capable of.
Quote from: jurelometer on January 21, 2023, 12:22:24 AMThe reel connects to the limitbreaker reel app that you have to have loaded on a compatible smartphone.
The app is used to set the mode/algorithm for the electronic cast control/anti-backlash on the reel, as well as collecting statistics about number of casts, casting distance, blah blah, blah.
that's all??? thought it might locate oldest, biggest predators
by detecting high concentrations of mercury that move around
That's not fishing. That's remote monitoring. Never leave your house and operate equipment thousands of miles away as you interact on your TV via a "chartered" connection to the boat. Just sit in your virtual fighting chair, and hold on to your interactive fishing rig that's paired with the remote reel on a boat in the Java Sea.
It's gonna happen.
My wife would probably app me on my reel "time to come home"
Ramones COOL huh huh
"Hey bud, you fishin' or playin' with yer phone?" ::)
Quote from: boon on January 21, 2023, 12:45:55 AMJapanese market only reel I'd say (casual reminder to our US friends that countries do exist outside of the combined Americas :fish ). Limit breaker has a different meaning over there, means to exceed what you were previously capable of.
Yeah, I understand what they were shooting for, and I would agree with you except that Daiwa chose the English language phrase on their Japanese language website, presumably because they thought that this would have some sort of cachet, which puts them on the hook. This is not a simple translation mixup, more of a screw-up IMHO.
It is sort of like if I as a non-native speaker of Japanese decided to get a Kanji tattoo. I would make doubly sure that I didn't screw up, even if I did not plan to travel to Japan.
To be fair to Daiwa and to your point, I was being a bit rough on the name . They are not the first tackle maker to come up with a weak product line name, and this is not the worst by a long shot. For example, a US company (Penn) decided "Carnage" was a worthy name for a line of sportfishing rods. I mean, why not "bloodbath", "dismemberment", or "annihilation"? Fishing tackle marketing is kind of weak. I don't think they respect us much :)
More importantly, in addition to being kinda useless, a reel with an app is a antithetical to what I see as the whole point of fishing.
"Did you see that? Right in front of those two jumping manta rays and that sea turtle. A huge whale shark just cruised by!"
"No dude, I missed it. I was busy with my phone checking on my casting distance statistics."
-J
ah, but the sheer :d JOY of HACKING :d into such an arrangement
& messing with the stats of someone who cares about such things ::) now, THAT sounds like fun >:D >:D >:D
Quote from: jurelometer on January 21, 2023, 09:18:07 AMFor example, a US company (Penn) decided "Carnage" was a worthy name for a line of sportfishing rods. I mean, why not "bloodbath", "dismemberment", or "annihilation"?
Yeah, Penn has several "
winners" in their names lineup. ::)
Not to mention (but I will) Pro Gear's "Violator" - yikes! In Spanish it sounds even worse, as a
violator can also refer to a rapist. :o
It took to this year and aching arthritis to get me to abandon my 1960's Ambassadeurs for low profile reels. I can't see needing computer assistance with my casting. I bet it catches on like wildfire. Like cars that don't let you wander out of your lane so you can keep looking down at your cellphone.
Quote from: Cor on January 21, 2023, 05:59:01 AMMy wife would probably app me on my reel "time to come home"
Yeah or "don't forget milk and pampers" while the BFT is stripping line.
Quote from: handi2 on January 21, 2023, 11:16:52 PMIt seems to me that you would really like this reel that gives you all of the unneeded info
Dude let it go already. If he gets up your nose just scroll on past, you've been taking digs at him for what, over a year now? It's not in keeping with how this forum rolls.
Interesting concept. Now I will only rehash a couple of points that have been made many times by wiser folks than I on this forum. 1. Tackle companies (for the most part) aren't planning on selling reels to guys like us on the forum that want an easily maintained Sherman tank that also comes with an endless supply of easily replaceable parts that you won't likely need to replace anyway. Great way to go broke. We are not their target market for the most part, and we are a small (vocal and important!) part of the fishing community. (Exception - Fly reels that most kids with a 70's high school metalshop education could knock out in their garage, but the higher the price tag and "Mo' Betta". I'm kidding. This part in parenthesis is sarcasm). 2. Any company today is struggling on "how do we tap into Generation #" to insure that they can continue to sell products into the decades ahead. And, for better or worse, the young folks of today (and the current/future customers) of any company are going to be into a "connected" world in ways that we cannot begin to imagine (even if it makes no sense - to me). For myself as a parent it is "merely" a struggle to understand my kids (challenge enough!) but for me as the Corporate Guy I can tell you we struggle everyday with the fact that it is not just enough to make the "greatest widget" (or in my case, pint) out there, but how do we figure out what potential NEW customers want? How do we continue to grow our customer base? (Nothing worse than having an awesome (insert Noun here: Fishing Reel, Car, Beer) that nobody wants to buy). Fred and Tommy showed us some beautiful Shakespeare reels in the last few weeks that were only made for a few years that there was absolutely nothing wrong about them and were beautifully made (and thank you for sharing your wisdom!) - but they didn't sell. Current big companies (the good ones) are looking 10-20 years down the road and trying to "guess" (well, they spend a LOT of money making those guesses) on what the next "hot reel trend" is going to be and at the same time trying to "one up first to market" - Shiawa, Daimano, Purim, Kumono, they are all top companies and I would be shocked if they are not doing it. So a reel with flashing diodes that connects to your phone? I can understand the "why"... - john
John great write up.
I think about when abu released the first mag brake 40 years ago. I would bet that at least a few people in the board room said this is stupid the old timers are gonna laugh at us we should just keep it simple my thumb works just fine.
And I'm willing to bet some of you folks were around and remember these coming out, and your grumpy uncle probably laughed at it, and those who use them.
But I can't think of any newly released baitcaster that doesn't have at least a rudimentary mag brake, and I'm willing to bet in 1982 nobody expected that. Now that's not to say all baitcasters in the future will be Bluetooth connected, and I hope not. But when I bought a new garage door I was horrified to find that all garage doors are Bluetooth and wifi connected now. And I see no reason for that. But every garage door opener company does that now.
Non-silver lining prediction: next will be an "anti theft feature" where the reel won't operate unless it's connected to the owner's phone, AND the web-based subscription service. When the Bluetooth fails, the reel is a brick.
And it'll be like college textbooks. Yeah you can buy it used, but that does you no good without the access code that costs as much as the new book.
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on January 24, 2023, 02:32:31 PM...when abu released the first mag brake 40 years ago. I would bet that at least a few people in the board room said this is stupid the old timers are gonna laugh at us...
Just as a historical anecdote, it wasn't ABU. It was Ocean City who released the first mag brake, in the mid-1940s.
Some technology just needs to wait for the right time, I guess.
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Fellas. Connectivity will find its place. It'll be where the consumer wants it. In the interim, it'll be tried on everything. A good friend of mine has a defib/heart monitor. If it detects an issue, it makes a call. Good idea. Our dishwasher is Bluetooth-enabled. What the heck for?
As for a fishing reel, it's too early to say. It would take a practical and experienced fisherman/programmer person to make that work. I don't think that generation is in place yet.
Anybody remember Zager and Evans, "In the year 2525"? I was 10 and that was a cool song. Mom and Dad didn't think so.
hey, it's nice to be back!
Quote from: Shellbelly on January 24, 2023, 06:27:56 PMOur dishwasher is Bluetooth-enabled. What the heck for?
It's so the better half can remind you to unload it 0.46 seconds after the cycle completes :cf
Quote from: boon on January 24, 2023, 08:45:40 PMQuote from: Shellbelly on January 24, 2023, 06:27:56 PMOur dishwasher is Bluetooth-enabled. What the heck for?
It's so the better half can remind you to unload it 0.46 seconds after the cycle completes :cf
Ah! That's why she threw away the clean/dirty magnet sign thing. I relied on that thing.
Quote from: 0119 on January 21, 2023, 07:23:18 PMIt took to this year and aching arthritis to get me to abandon my 1960's Ambassadeurs for low profile reels. I can't see needing computer assistance with my casting. I bet it catches on like wildfire. Like cars that don't let you wander out of your lane so you can keep looking down at your cellphone.
You have my sympathy, I have gone through the same change, 50 size reels for Tranx, strong heavy rods for minimum strength usable. Only fishing 1/4 of what I did 5 years ago. I have "sort of" come to terms with this which is important.
Next week have to see orthopaedic surgeon to hear what can be done to recondition worn out parts (Knees and hips) Luckily we live in an age where they can replace those parts very satisfactorily.
Quote from: Brewcrafter on January 24, 2023, 07:52:59 AMInteresting concept. Now I will only rehash a couple of points that have been made many times by wiser folks than I on this forum. 1. Tackle companies (for the most part) aren't planning on selling reels to guys like us on the forum that want an easily maintained Sherman tank that also comes with an endless supply of easily replaceable parts that you won't likely need to replace anyway. Great way to go broke. We are not their target market for the most part, and we are a small (vocal and important!) part of the fishing community. (Exception - Fly reels that most kids with a 70's high school metalshop education could knock out in their garage, but the higher the price tag and "Mo' Betta". I'm kidding. This part in parenthesis is sarcasm). 2. Any company today is struggling on "how do we tap into Generation #" to insure that they can continue to sell products into the decades ahead. And, for better or worse, the young folks of today (and the current/future customers) of any company are going to be into a "connected" world in ways that we cannot begin to imagine (even if it makes no sense - to me). For myself as a parent it is "merely" a struggle to understand my kids (challenge enough!) but for me as the Corporate Guy I can tell you we struggle everyday with the fact that it is not just enough to make the "greatest widget" (or in my case, pint) out there, but how do we figure out what potential NEW customers want? How do we continue to grow our customer base? (Nothing worse than having an awesome (insert Noun here: Fishing Reel, Car, Beer) that nobody wants to buy). Fred and Tommy showed us some beautiful Shakespeare reels in the last few weeks that were only made for a few years that there was absolutely nothing wrong about them and were beautifully made (and thank you for sharing your wisdom!) - but they didn't sell. Current big companies (the good ones) are looking 10-20 years down the road and trying to "guess" (well, they spend a LOT of money making those guesses) on what the next "hot reel trend" is going to be and at the same time trying to "one up first to market" - Shiawa, Daimano, Purim, Kumono, they are all top companies and I would be shocked if they are not doing it. So a reel with flashing diodes that connects to your phone? I can understand the "why"... - john
You wring a marketing thesis... ?:-*
Why????
Quote from: Cor on January 25, 2023, 01:27:08 PMQuote from: 0119 on January 21, 2023, 07:23:18 PMIt took to this year and aching arthritis to get me to abandon my 1960's Ambassadeurs for low profile reels. I can't see needing computer assistance with my casting. I bet it catches on like wildfire. Like cars that don't let you wander out of your lane so you can keep looking down at your cellphone.
Luckily we live in an age where they can replace those parts very satisfactorily.
Good luck to you. My wife's knee replacement has been unsuccessful. Seeing her agony, I will avoid it at all costs.
Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2023, 03:33:48 PMWhy????
To sell more stuff. Daiwa is on it early. Shimano maybe next, then maybe Abu-Garcia, etc.
So, one more data set to be tracked for marketing?... doesn't my "stupid-phone" in my pocket while fishing, already doing that? They have my location, movements and sounds. When I take the thing out of my pocket for a picture or call, they get a visual. How would they use reel data?
Also the more I think about it, garage door openers are Bluetooth enabled because one company started doing it, and the rest couldn't risk being the one offering fewer features.
And so it'll likely happen with reels too. I bet in the next 10 years every major tackle brand will offer a Bluetooth connected reel. Just to not be the one left behind.
Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2023, 03:33:48 PMWhy????
Because they are trying to figure out how to make money in the years ahead from the next generation of buyers. - john
Quote from: Brewcrafter on January 25, 2023, 09:05:15 PMQuote from: Keta on January 25, 2023, 03:33:48 PMWhy????
Because they are trying to figure out how to make money in the years ahead from the next generation of buyers. - john
silly nonsense...
just put one-thumb two-drone controls on top of the reel
that's TWO drones: bait-bomber & gull/shitaquart-fighter
with radio active fish, japan can use a Geiger counter as a fish finder. Maybe this reel has something similar? Maybe it picks up the electric impulse from the fishes heart?
Yes, Japs love their gadgets and electronics! Some of their over the top stuff is actually pretty neat.
I like top shelf reels, but I want top shelf design and craftsmanship with longevity. Not a internet connected do everything gadget built into a reel. No novelties for me, just well made simple tools please.
I much prefer the simple reel designs , the next reel i build will be along this line ..