i'm going to take you through this reel first, and then we'll talk about it later. here are the schematics from the okuma website....
http://www.okumafishing.com/products/reels/2-speed/tg30-2-2005.htm
and here's the reel.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0533.JPG)
first off comes the decoration plate (key #205) and screws (key #9305, 9306 and 206).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0534.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0536.JPG)
then the lever drag assembly (key #600, 601, 602, 603, 605 and 9208).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0535.JPG)
next comes the right side plate assembly (key #200).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0538.JPG)
note the slight corrosion and the dry right side plate screws (key #9301).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0537.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0539.JPG)
just a quick peek inside the right side plate assembly before you set it aside.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0540.JPG)
pull the spool assembly and set it aside as well.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0541.JPG)
the left side plate (key #300) is removable, so i'm going to remove it to grease all of the frame screw holes.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0542.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0543.JPG)
remove and grease the hanger screws (key #9309) for the hanger (key#108).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0544.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0545.JPG)
remove the body foot screws (key #9310). note the corrosion already forming.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0546.JPG)
remove the body foot (key #102). more dorrosion.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0547.JPG)
grease up the screw holes and cinch the screws down good and tight. i don't want the reel foot coming off in the middle of a fight.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0548.JPG)
paint a little grease on the inside of the left side plate, grease the screw holes and bolt it back together.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0549.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0550.JPG)
now, let's take a look inside the spool assembly.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0551.JPG)
the spool cover (key #405) assembly has reverse threads. this one came off a little too easily.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0552.JPG)
note the rubber gasket between the spool cover (key #405) and the pinion guard (key #607). when the drag lever is pushed forward to "strike" the gap is sealed and this will prevent water intrusion into the drag chamber. just like shimano lever drag reels, the okuma's should be rinsed down while in gear.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0553.JPG)
remove the two right spool bearings (key #9105) and the compression spring (key #613). note the rust formation after only one trip.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0554.JPG)
remove the click pawl (key #304) and click pawl screws (key #9314).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0556.JPG)
here's a view of the main shaft (key #718) assembly as it would sit inside the spool....
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0557.JPG)
and disassembled.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0558.JPG)
note the corrosion already forming in the right spool bearing. i believe that water was able to intrude past the bearing shields, these shields then held the water inside the bearing and contributed to the damage that you see.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0559.JPG)
fortunately, the corrosion was only superficial. i was able to clean out all the bearings and bring them back to 100%. they were lubed with corrosion x and will be install open, without shields.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0560.JPG)
now to the business side of the spool. here's the front side of the drag washer (key #611).
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0562.JPG)
and here's the back of the drag washer.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0563.JPG)
i have no idea what kind of grease it is and it looks like it was applied unevenly. first, i'll clean off all the old grease.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0564.JPG)
both sides of the drag washer and the spool will get a coat of drag grease.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0565.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0566.JPG)
now vigorously wipe off all the excess grease from the working side of the drag washer....
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0567.JPG)
... until it looks nice and clean, ...
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0568.JPG)
... and drop it back into the spool.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0569.JPG)
you have to admit, this looks much better than this ....
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0562.JPG)
... but will it make a difference? probably not!
re-assemble the spool shaft.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0570.JPG)
slide the spool shaft in from the left side and install the click pawl.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0571.JPG)
install the bearings and compression spring.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0572.JPG)
screw on (reverse threaded) the spool cover assembly as tight as you can, by hand.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0573.JPG)
and back into the frame it goes.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0574.JPG)
at this point, i pulled the guts out of the right side plate to get to the right side plate bearing. in other reels, this is the bearing that is at highest risk for corrosion. everything was fine until i tried to get the dog springs back on. it took about 20 minutes to figure it out.
so how about this. i'll show you the photos, but let's skip this step and if someone has a right main bearing that is toast, let me know and we'll go through it again. otherwise, let's just slap the right side plate back on and call it a day.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0575.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0576.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0577.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0578.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0579.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0580.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0581.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0582.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0583.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0584.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0585.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0586.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0587.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0588.JPG)
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0589.JPG)
yeeeeccchhhhhh!!!!! like i said, let's leave the right side plate alone.
ok, the side plate is back together. now grease all the screw holes and bolt the side plate back on.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0591.JPG)
grease more holes and bolt on the quadrant or decoration plate.
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0592.JPG)
install the drag lever and you're done. whew!
(http://www.yourfishpictures.com/data/500/medium/102_0532.JPG)
i had this reel loaded with 65 pound spectra and the owner was going to topshot it with mono, so i do not have the final numbers for max drag at strike and freespool, but it should easily reach 15 pound at strike and 15-20 seconds of freespool. not bad for a 3/0 sized reel.
Hello,
I have a titus gold 15 II
At the end of last season I had the handles knob break off on me.
I brought it to the local rod and reel store that I purchased it from and he replaced the whole handle with a new one.
I had also asked him to break it down and clean it out.
When I got it back it makes a clicking sound when reeling. Not as loud as when the clicker is engaged, but quite noticeable. I questioned that and the shop owner said don't worry about it.
I'm worried about it.
BTW
When I go to the Click HERE for Reel Schematics on Okuma's website, it's a dead link
he probably did what i did the first time and missed the collar to make the anti-reverse dogs silent. the okuma website still has no schematics. here a link to the one at mike's.
http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schematics/albums/okuma/Okuma_TG_15_2sp.pdf
Thank you for the reply.
Might that be something I can fix?
Being a total newbie I have no idea what your refering to.
Thanks again,
Spes
Hello Alan,
I ordered some salt-x and some extreme reel, and a grease fitting,,,
But I couldn't wait to take a peek inside,, so I opened up the Okuma and i figured out where the plastic "silent spring" wasn't seated with it's barbs in the pawls,,
Took a little juggling to get it all lined up and to get the right side plate assembly to sit. Once I got it the reel was silent again. Thanks!
I will be open it up for a proper cleaning when my supplies arrive.
I couldn't get one of the left side plate screws off, the head is starting to strip.
And I did have a little corrosion on the drive gears, so I will probably have to open up the right side to clean it up.
Thanks again for the help.
Spes
great! did you get the grease yet?
Yes I did. Thanks
SPeaking of grease,,, I read one post where u put this link
http://www.usboatsupplies.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=USBS&Product_Code=ACC-GREAS-RE-FL&Category_Code=AYOM (http://www.usboatsupplies.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=USBS&Product_Code=ACC-GREAS-RE-FL&Category_Code=AYOM)
for the Yamaha 3 oz grease.
I also read some other post that u said the 3 oz tubes weren't Marine grease.
That still true?
And one more question,, in this thread u left the bearings open... is that ALL the bearings ?
Thanks again!
Spes
yeah, things have a way of changing as we get older..... :-\
so for spool bearings, i like them with the shields removed, cleaned, lubed and then re-installed open. for non-spool bearings, i like them shielded and packed with grease. now that i have a bearing packer, i can can pack fresh grease into them without having to remove the shields. it's quick and easy.
for the yamaha grease, the 3 ounce tubes are NOT the marine version. it was rather embarassing when i found that out. what i do is take the 3 ounce cardboard tubes from any old grease, clean it out really well, then hand pack them with marine grease. sorry about the confusion.
Do the bearing packers work with the blues side plates installed?
So it's drop it in the packer and fill it up?
If so, sign me up. $60 right? Paypal or snail mail?
Thanks,
The blue sideplates are usually a silicon or phenolic material. Those sideplates will usually blow out when using the bearing packer. Those type of shielded bearings, you can easily remove the shields and pack the bearings by hand. It's a little more difficult when the bearings are provided with metal shields. This is where the bearing packers really shine because sometimes, the metal bearing shields are damaged during remove making them unusable.
Sounds like the best of both worlds,,,
Blue shields easy to remove and metal ones easy to use the bearing packer.
Quote from: spes on January 17, 2011, 12:47:32 PM
Do the bearing packers work with the blues side plates installed?
So it's drop it in the packer and fill it up?
If so, sign me up. $60 right? Paypal or snail mail?
Thanks,
the bearing packers have saved me hours of work and they do a better job that i could do by just pressing the grease through with my fingers. send me a pm with your address again and i'll ship it out. when it arrives, send a check in the return envelope. thanks! alan
Hello,
Alan, would you know the dimensions of the bearings and drag washer for this reel?
I would like to price them on smoothdrag.
Thanks,
i sure don't. call okuma on this one, anyway. they should be able to set everything up for you right away. alan
Hi Alan,
I just busted this reel down. Everything but the right side plate.
Opened up the bearings, lubed. Greased drag washer. Put it back together, (including getting the silent anti click thingy right)
Handle doesn't crank ???
Did I mess something up inside? Or just didn't seat it back in right?
HELP!
To clarify in my freaking out!
Handle turns,,,, spool doesn't
the handle is connected to the gears. you can't miss that one. the pinion gear is connected to the metal drag pressure plate. can't miss that one either. it has to be that the drag pressure plate is not coming in contact with the drag.
call off the national guard!
I put either the lever drag or adjust block in the wrong spot,,,, once I messed with that I got it right.
Now, tell me if this sounds correct for testing. I don't have a fish scale so I put the reel on my rod and tied it to a ten pound weight. I thumb the spool pick up the weight, and adjust drag so when I take my thumb off the weight it falls at a slow steady speed. Sound about right?
After doing that on free spool I spun the spool with my hand.
2:04 seconds!
Lubed with Extreme Reel
sounds better. you know, questions like this are just as important. always post your problems, because other guys are bound to eventually do the same. alan
Well thanks Alan.
First time breaking it down that far.
Other things I noticed;
1)The stopper pin on the main shaft, should that be falling out loose?
2)I probably will attack the right side plate. Cranking seems a little loaded.
I hope to shoot a few pics of the dog springs as I break it down.
3) How much side to side play should there be when in free spool?
That side to side play kills free spool time. 2:04 horizontal, 1:25 with reel rotated 90* clicker side down, 17 sec with reel held handle side down.
yes, it is loose and should not be. the loss of freespool when turned to the right means you have to shim the right spool bearing out a little. alan
Thanks Alan,
When you say shim the right spool bearing out a little, do you mean add a washer?
What size?
Would that go between the small compression spring(key # 613) and the right bearing?
Thanks again,
Mike
it would have an outside diamater that is the same as the OD for the bearing and an ID that is very close to the OD. it would be like a ring. actually, the retaining rings for the bearings works well in this situation. the idea is to extend the bearing cup out a little because the "bearing sleeve" is a little too long. you could also shorten the bearing sleeve a little but i am not sure about this spring system. here's a basic description. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=138.0
Agh, it's getting dropped right in the bearing cup.
I lubed my bearings and left them open, so I do have the left over retaining rings.
Just drop one in the cup?
Very roughly estimate with caliper side to side play in free spool is around 0.55mm
They don't find a way to"fall" into the race?
you just have to try it and see how much play you have left. a couple of thousanths is all you want. that should be enough to eliminate this "turn to the right" problem. alan
Hi Alan,
I added two retaining rings for the bearings.
Spool times were 55 horizontal, 53 left, and 45 right.
While greatly increasing tilted to the right times.. it did reduce horizontally by half.
I think drag is set the same amount as previously tested.
Would you go with these times? Or, go without the retaining rings for the bearings added and keep the reel level when casting?
Oh went at the right side plate.
Here's pictures of the Dog Srings
(http://www.imagewoof.com/view_thumb/2b2481355/ResizeofLeft_Dog_Spring.JPG) (http://www.imagewoof.com/view_image/2b2481355/ResizeofLeft_Dog_Spring.JPG)
(http://www.imagewoof.com/view_thumb/2b2481355/ResizeofRight_Dog_Spring.JPG) (http://www.imagewoof.com/view_image/2b2481355/ResizeofRight_Dog_Spring.JPG)
This the right way to add a pic?
(http://www.imagewoof.com/view_thumb/2b2481355/ResizeofLeft_Dog_Spring.JPG) (http://www.imagewoof.com/view_image/2b2481355/ResizeofLeft_Dog_Spring.JPG)
(http://www.imagewoof.com/view_thumb/2b2481355/ResizeofRight_Dog_Spring.JPG) (http://www.imagewoof.com/view_image/2b2481355/ResizeofRight_Dog_Spring.JPG)
you've got it! when it is together, you will know for sure. alan
that long spring on the spool shaft,does that act the same as the sleeves you make,is it as good?ive never seen one of those before.are they common or something new?pls explain gents
Hello,
I'm stll having trouble with my TG15II
The high gear keeps slipping or not engaging.
It's feels like the drive gear pin doesn't seat when going from low gear to high gear.
There feels like plenty of sring in the handle's compression spring.
I've taken it apart 10 times,,, I'll have the right side all torn down... and work the high low button while looking at the drive gear pin seat correctly in the high gear,,, put it all back together and it won't work.
( pinion gears have no nicks or dings )
getting ready to toss this reel... every time i use it and get a fish on it seems to blow up
p.s. yeah Alan, I used the new Makaira15II on the Okuma speed jigging reel... I wasn't getting very much distance tossing a 16 oz Solvkroken jig underhanded. I think people on the pulpit would have been upset with me if I tried an overhand throw.
can you send it out and let me take a look?
I'd LOVE to!
PM the address please.
I am going away this week to see my son's graduation from Army reserve boot camp.
If I can't get it boxed up and out tomorrow, I'll send it next week.
I purposely bought the Makaira so when I take my nephew on a two day trip in July he could use the TG15,,,, He didn't like the Avet 6.0 last year. It would be nice to get the TG working for him.
Thanks a bunch,
Mike
here's the repair post. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=277.0 send it out anytime. i spoke to jim nomura and he's agreed to take a look. i hope that's ok. jim has all of the okuma drag washers and a larger inventory of okuma parts. i'm pretty badly stacked up and jim can look at it right away. alan
alan,
any idea on what the expected drag rating is for the titus 50W single speed? I can't seem to find the specs and I want to check what I am getting on my 2 reels. Thanks,
chris
Is the 15 II tutorial a good guide for the titus gold TG 50W II?
it is pretty close and should get you through ok.
Hello sir,juz wonder if this tg1511 tutorial can be use as a guide for tg1011?
How bout drag rating for tg1011?Max drag at Full/Strike is Same or less then tg1511?,its weight bout 26.8 oz,
Thank you much appreciate....
not sure. it's a smaller version all the way around.
::) ???
There 're little tiny screw on spool rubber gasket,is it normal or left thread?
the screws in the reel frame and on the inside are all right handed.
On the right side bearing, you removed the shield, packed it with grease and installed it open. What are the benefits of doing this? What is the name of this bearing?
I still have one of these in the garage.
It worked great as a Albacore 2 speed back in the day. The downside was the crazy loud anti reverse. They corrected that to a silent anti reverse. When they did that, my free spool went away-like a bad rebuild, or 0.5 second spin.
The spool shaft was also light, and the reels had a bad rap back then.
I still have fond memories of a cheap small 2 speed that worked well with about 15# of drag.
Contractors have taken over my house, re-finishing hardwood floors. I'm living in a 6 x 8 ft corner of my kitchen with my desk and computer, will have to peel plastic off the sofa to sleep tonight, and my wife is sleeping in her office in the backyard. The TV is covered in plastic too. So, I thought I would kill some time by adding a little to Alan's rebuild thread using pics from the rebuild of my own TG15 II which I did a few days before my last fishing trip.
One thing I noticed right away was, my end plates were held down by hex head cap screws, not Phillips. I figured that might help date the manufacture of my reel, except I have no idea how to do that. All throughout the assembly there were signs of grease here and there. Daiwa must have used some, because I'm sure this was the first time I serviced this reel and it was not my grease.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/14963_18_10_20_12_19_26.jpeg)
Second, my clicker assembly looked different, too:
(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/14963_18_10_20_12_20_54.jpeg)
When I take things apart, I like to lay them out in straight lines.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/14963_18_10_20_12_22_47.jpeg)
That black part has the teeth for the clicker assembly. Again, it was different than the reel Alan serviced.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/14963_18_10_20_12_25_09.jpeg)
You are looking at a stiff drag washer in the end of that spool. It had a flimsy black denim-like washer underneath it. There was some evidence of grease under both pieces, but the side you are looking at (which contacts the drag pressure plate) was dry. I greased it with Cal's Drag Grease the Tani-way and put it back.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/14963_18_10_20_12_26_32.jpeg)
See the tiny screw inside the big black ring (below). It took me a long time during dis-assembly to figure out how to remove the black ring from the spool and remove all the parts trapped underneath it, including the drag pressure plate/anti-reverse gear piece thingy (far left) and the spool shaft assembly. Finally, I noticed the little screw in a tiny slot in the black ring, took the screw out, and then was able to unscrew the black ring. Am I the only one who thinks that it is sometimes easier to open a Chinese puzzle box than a fishing reel?
See the white plastic ring. I despise it. It took me oh, maybe an hour or more of trying to put the right side plate back on, again and again, during re-assembly before I could get the two little tangs on that part to mesh properly with the anti-reverse dogs. And, I only knew it was necessary because of reading Alan's full tutorial. You still suck, stupid white ring, even though I knew all about you!
(https://alantani.com/gallery/33/14963_18_10_20_12_28_35.jpeg)
After re-assembling this reel, the drag felt very smooth, but free-spool was still not very good. I did a lot more to the reel than pictured here, used some Corrosion-X on all the bearings, but it felt like I got some heavy grease somewhere I shouldn't have during reassembly. Oh well, next time ... The reel got me a nice bluefin tuna and the jackpot two days after the re-build.
Hi Alan,
Where is the images of this reel being service? I cannot view them. Need to service my Titus Gold 30II. Thanks.
one of the more tech qualified admins is going to try to figure it out. :-\