Does anyone know what year Penn stopped using the abspestos drag washer and changed to an HT 100 style? OR.... did they never change it and that's why you must purchase the "upgraded" version from Scotts?
Here is the upgraded "Dura Drag" part #117DN-50 from Scott's:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/117DN-50.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/117DN-50.aspx)
Thanks for any historical info on these reels.
Steve
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
not sure, but it was a very long time ago.
I have been knee deep in this "historical info" for about 3 weeks ;D
Here is the chart showing all the generations of drag config on the 50. It does not show the actual years it changed.
(see attachment below)
I have a penn international 20 that is a 1984 model and had the asbestos donut washer config. Accoring to scotts, they went from the 50 to the 50T in the late 80s, so if you have a 50, it may be the case that all penn 50s originally had the asbestos washer, as my 84 intl' 20 did (mid 80s), and it wasn't produced past 89'.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSingleSpeed_50_50W_50T_50TW.aspx#specs (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSingleSpeed_50_50W_50T_50TW.aspx#specs)
I put in the intermediate HT-100 drag washer in this old 20, which saved me about $30. I recently had bought some 50s that already had the new dura drag plates, so I could compare two setups side by side to see if the intermediate HT-100 would work with the old metal drive plate in my 20. I put the drag plate configs side by side and since the height was very similar, i knew it should work once i got the details worked out. The receiving metal drag plate on the spool side (7-50) has not changed. You'd be adding to the knowledge base if you could try the 6/1-50HT (intermediate HT-100) in a gen 1 50, but unfortunately, scotts is out and they don't make em anymore. Basically I just wasted your time with useless knowledge, but hey we're fisherman, that's what we do.
Sooooo long story short, if you are in the process of rebuilding a intl' 50, and you are super cheap and have no problem with the fact you're creating fine particulate matter out of a known carcinogen, then buy the $10 asbestos donut (6-50) replacement, and call it a day.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-50.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/6-50.aspx)
For my $, if I am gonna crack a reel open, I'm going to do the best I can, so I'd get a Carbon fiber greased washer in, and that means a $35 117DN-50. Cheer up, the equivalent dura drag plate for a penn International 20/30 is $55!
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/117DN-50.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/117DN-50.aspx)
I hope that my shade tree reel mechanic experience was helpful! I know my reels would disagree, they squirt a little blue goop whenever they see me coming ;-)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
thanks for all the effort!
Very helpful! Thank you for the great technical info! My serial number starts with 083, so I'm thinking I've got the donut absbestos drag configuration. I will go ahead and buy the carbon fiber upgrade!
Thanks again for the full investigation you did under that shade tree! This is what we live for!
Steve (Bodega Bay fishing and tackle hamburger)
Good call, there is a guy selling custom ss posts on enay for about $15 too, fyi.
I need to buy dura drag kit for both an International 50 (which has absetos) and a penn 115 (HT100 in this case).
I see that on scott sbt shop are both on back order from penn with not due date.
Do you know where I can buy those instead of buying at MysticParts?
Thanks,
Lorenzo
You can try Fisherman's warehouse in Sacramento , California.
Quote from: GT on July 03, 2012, 02:55:51 PM
I need to buy dura drag kit for both an International 50 (which has absetos) and a penn 115 (HT100 in this case).
I see that on Mystic Reel Parts shop are both on back order from Penn with not due date.
Do you know where I can buy those instead of buying at MysticParts?
Thanks,
Lorenzo
Lorenzo, unless I am mistaken you need the drive plate + Dura Drag combined unit (black plastic drive plate). It is in stock, but it looks like they raised the price on it from $32 to $52.50 since my original post! Bummer. You still want the same part, 117DN-50, that I linked in the first post.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/117DN-50.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/117DN-50.aspx)
I do not think the new drive plate requires a new pinion on a 50, but I know it does on a Intl' 30, so always double check your research first before replacing a drive plate on a Penn International.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Quote from: Gaujo on July 03, 2012, 11:39:33 PM
...I do not think the new drive plate requires a new pinion on a 50, but I know it does on a Intl' 30...
Why?
Just wondering.
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the teeth dont match up. They changed the gearing somehow on a 30. This happens sometimes over the years. I just took apart 3 shimano TLD-15s, 2 were identical, one had different gearing.
Okay.
But... call me dense, but i don't quite understand...
if you have an International 30, and you decide to change the drag washer / drive plate, it has nothing to do with the gears / pinion.
Unless you mean that the splines on the old shaft don't fit the new drive plate.
(And maybe they changed the gear specs at the same time to avoid confusion).
Still, jus' wonderin'. No reason, really.
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Nuf said?
Hmm yeah, look at that... they changed the whole thing, splines and all, for some reason.
Well, we learn something new every day...
Incidentally, bringing this topic back towards where it began, Penn started using HT-100 in 1985. Don't know if the change was made for all reels in that year though.
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I also have one of those old reels and need a new drag washer. I am planning of cutting it myself, so if anyone want one too, let me know so I can figure the cost.
Quote from: Makule on July 05, 2012, 05:34:02 AM
I also have one of those old reels and need a new drag washer. I am planning of cutting it myself, so if anyone want one too, let me know so I can figure the cost.
You talking about a 50? You don't need a custom washer unless you want to keep your metal drive plate.
Quote from: Gaujo on July 05, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
Quote from: Makule on July 05, 2012, 05:34:02 AM
I also have one of those old reels and need a new drag washer. I am planning of cutting it myself, so if anyone want one too, let me know so I can figure the cost.
You talking about a 50? You don't need a custom washer unless you want to keep your metal drive plate.
Yes, I do want to keep that metal plate.
i think it would be easier to just get the new dura drag washer. :-\
Quote from: alantani on July 10, 2012, 02:35:38 AM
i think it would be easier to just get the new dura drag washer. :-\
Is it just a drop in, and what's the cost?
$52.50 at scotts part number117dn-50
Quote from: kamuwela on July 10, 2012, 06:31:56 AM
$52.50 at scotts part number117dn-50
Thanks. Will cut my own. Lots cheaper.
Quote from: kamuwela on July 10, 2012, 06:31:56 AM
$52.50 at scotts part number117dn-50
Another reason why I love my Senators.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 10, 2012, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: kamuwela on July 10, 2012, 06:31:56 AM
$52.50 at scotts part number117dn-50
Another reason why I love my Senators.
That`s not really what it`s all about though. At least you don`t need to install upgraded gear sleeves, metal side plates, stainless gears,double dogs, etc,etc.
Eventhough there are a few Senators that do just fine without any upgrades, for the most part, you're right basto.
I'm not going to disagree with you, we are talking Penn vs Penn afterall ;).
Cool!
they do cost alot but well worth it. i think that it would be the last drag washer you would need for that reel. it is costly because it comes with the drive plate.
Bula Ya'll,
Here's another vintage 50 parts quest...
a friend of mine dropped off his old International 50 .. ser#H792950
it has a broken stand... part# 30-50 = Discontinued, not available..
Can we get a little love from some Pennaholics ???
Thanks !!!
Erik
Sorry Erik, I am a Pennaholic, but don't have any of those.
Sal
Vinaka Sal !
Quote from: erikpowell on June 04, 2013, 10:05:31 PM
Bula Ya'll,
Here's another vintage 50 parts quest...
a friend of mine dropped off his old International 50 .. ser#H792950
it has a broken stand... part# 30-50 = Discontinued, not available..
Can we get a little love from some Pennaholics ???
Thanks !!!
Erik
Erik,
Mike's Reel Repair may have one. It would be listed as part# 030 050.
George
Thanks for that George, I'll give em a call!
crud. i looked and i don't have one. :-\
oh well, thanks for checking anyway alan!!
and PayPal on its way too ya!
Erik
I rebuilt a 50-V and upgraded the drag to the 117DN-50. No thanks on asbestos. It was a plug-n-play operation. Grease the CF with Cal's drag grease, apply Yamaha Marine grease to all of the other surfaces and reassemble. (See my 'A Successful Rebuild' post under "Fishing" "Member Fishing Reports and Photos")
rob, good to see you again!
Quote from: alantani on November 10, 2017, 04:53:12 PM
rob, good to see you again!
Good to be here, Alan! If the earth was flat I would indeed have fallen off. ;D
I am currently servicing a vintage 50W and I see lots of references to the thick single layer asbestos drag washer. I also see many suggesting to apply a coating of Cal's to the newer HT-100 and wiping most of it off, but I see no mention of what to do with the asbestos one. It does not appear to be glazed or fouled in any way. The whole reel is very clean, thought the grease has aged, but the asbestos looks like a brand new brake pad for your car. I think it seldom left the house.
Alan or anyone have any suggestions of how to service it? Unless someone convinces me otherwise, I inclined to just make sure it's clean & dry and re-install it as is.
If it's for fishing replace the old drag washers,the performance is much better. If it's for the shelf leave it stock.