Rather than reinvent the wheel, go here (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8.0 ) for Alan's excellent tutorial on the Sealine 400H/450H. Except for size and several small differences, the Sealine 600H is virtually identical to the Sealine 400H/450H. In this tutorial we will address these differences. To begin, you need to download the schematic (http://www.daiwa.com/PartsDiagram/PartsDiagram/600H.pdf ) and follow Alan's tutorial to disassemble the reel and clean and lube it. Here's the reel.
(http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q545/day0ne1/DSC00284s2.jpg)
The first difference is the bearings. I discovered that the bearings only had shields on one side, and the shield is removable without removing the bearings from the bearing cups. Since this reel was to be used for bottom fishing and no casting, I elected to pack the bearings with grease. I removed the shields and packed the cups with grease, which in turn fully packed both sides of the bearings. I considered replacing the shields but in the end, left them open.
Next on the list are the drags. There are several ways to set these up. Common to both ways is to use a Penn 6-114 HT100 washer that has been filed down a little to fit the cavity on the bottom of the main gear. I use a small file and it takes a minute or so. I imagine a larger file would be faster, but you don't have to remove much.
The first way to set the drags up is similar to what Alan did in his tutorial and is as follows: a Penn 6-114 washer, the main gear, two Penn 6-115 washers, a keyed washer, two Penn 6-115 washers, the eared washer, one Penn 6-115 washer and the heavy keyed washer. This should give about 20 to 25 lbs of drag.
(http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q545/day0ne1/DSC00273s2.jpg)
The way I chose requires an extra keyed washer and an extra eared washer, The washers from the Penn 114H/115 will fit but the hole in the keyed washers is a little large and the ears on the eared washer are a little small, so try to find the 600H washers. I mention this because I had trouble finding the 600H eared washers. You also need five of Dawn's #46 Carbontex washers. They need to be modified by making the hole larger. I held them between two eared washers with vice grips and used a Dremel Tool to enlarge the holes. I first used a tapered stone then a small sanding drum. Total time, not counting bit changes, less than 15 seconds.
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Using the Dremel tool, I next lengthened the grooves in the main gear, to ensure that the eared washer sits low enough to fully contact the drag washers. This may not have been necessary, but I felt better for doing it. Better safe than sorry and ending up with insufficient drag
(http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q545/day0ne1/DSC00277s2.jpg)
The final drag stack ends up being a Penn 6-114, main gear, #46 washer, keyed washer, #46 washer, eared washer, #46 washer, keyed washer, #46 washer, eared washer, #46 washer, thick keyed washer.
(http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q545/day0ne1/DSC00275s2.jpg)
The last difference is the tension washers or belleville washers on top of the drag. The 400H/450H uses a spacer and two tension washers. The 600H uses the same setup as the 900H, consisting of a heavy tension washer, a flat drag washer, a lighter tension washer and then the spacer.
(http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q545/day0ne1/DSC00280s2.jpg)
Add a larger handle grip and the reel is complete. Since I plan to use this reel for A.J.'s and grouper, I will spool it with 500yds of 100lb Spectra and top it off with JB 130lb hollow. I'm hoping for 30 to 35 lbs of drag and I'm not worried about the gears after looking at how heavy duty they are.
(http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q545/day0ne1/DSC00285s2.jpg)
Now for a few thoughts and comments about this reel. It is about the same size and has the same drag capability as the Penn 114H. but it comes with aluminum frame and side plates (cast) from the factory. Add this to the fact that it's gear ratio is 3.1:1 which is close to the coveted 3.25:1 Accurate gears and better than the Penn 2,8:1 gears, and the handle is about one inch longer, I feel that the 600H has a large edge on the 114H. Another point is that the parts for this reel are much cheaper. Examples are the side rings, $3.66 vs $10-$15 for Penn, handle $8 to $10.35 vs $27.50 for Penn. As a matter of fact, the handle on the 600H fits the 114H/115 and is longer, with two mounting positions,
Very nice. Thanks for sharing. These Daiwas are examples of making a reel built to last. The anodize coating on these reels are awesome. I've seen se bad looking reels, but after cleaning found that the coating was. Of affected on many of these reels. Also, the bearings seem to last a really long time. A great tank once the drags are improved, and these are still available.
Good tutorial. Did you use a Daiwa or Penn washer for the 2nd eared washer? Where can the Daiwa eared washers be found?
George
Quote from: George4741 on July 10, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
Good tutorial. Did you use a Daiwa or Penn washer for the 2nd eared washer? Where can the Daiwa eared washers be found?
George
For now, I am using the Penn 114H/115 eared washer. For some reason, Southwestern Parts in Dallas (my closest supplier) doesn't seem to have the eared washers for any of the bigger Sealines. I ran into the same problem on the 400H I'm currently upgrading the drag stack on. I plan to try some other sources for both washers in the near future. The Penn washer is probably fine, just slightly smaller ears, but I would prefer the Daiwa washer. I'll post back when I find the correct washer
Well, that was easy. I called Daiwa's main number in Cypress CA and ordered the washers. They were a little over a dollar each.
Great work dayOne, and excellent detail in your review.
Looks like a cracker bit of gear now!
Cheers, Justin
i think lee is working on a drag set for this reel. i only have a metal and carbon fiber drag set for the 900h.
I'm waiting for the upgraded set to be available.
For a 1+5 drag stack, you don't have to wait. Use the Sealine washers and Dawn's #46 washers (.76mm). Fit's great. See the pictures above. Besides, I thought Lee was working on the Sealine 50H.
OK, I'll get my order in. I just got a used SL30SH so I'll be ordering some carbontex washers for it too.
Since I need some centrifugal brake casting weights for the slosh, I was going to be calling Daiwa also, so I'll order my keyed and eared 600H washers.
Thanks.
No luck on the phone call. I called the number on the Daiwa website, and they gave me a different number. I called it, and got someone's personal voice mail.
Does anyone have a working number or other suggestion for finding the drag washers?
I called this # from the website and pressed 3. No problem ordering
(562) 375-6800
Thanks; I'll try it next week.
have i sent you a wrench yet? if not, can you send me a pm with your address? thanks! alan
Just an update. I spooled this reel with 500yds of 100lb solid spectra and spliced in 100+yds (don't know how much over 100yds) of Jerry Brown 130lb hollow and did a loop to loop connection to a 25' leader. With the drag not cranked all the way down. I got an easy smooth 30lbs of drag. Should do 35lbs or more. The reason for the heavy line is A). I had it laying around, B). I'll be using it this weekend for grouper and amberjack around oil rigs. If you don't keep them out of the rig, they are gone. Wish me luck
Oh, best of luck! Standing by for a report!
Well I know what I'll be doing to the 600h I just received. This is great thread
this is maybe sound stupid,
just to confirm, is that on the picture is daiwa's original metal washer can be used to make 5+1 stack?
i own 4 of this reel, and this kind of tuning is really great.... :D
The posting shows the use of Penn 114H's metal drag washers. I wasn't going to say anything because I don't line spouting my own horn...but I do have a concern about using Penn's 114H metal drag washers, particularly the keyed metal washers. I have attached my photo of the comparison.
The last photo will show that the Penn 114H metal drag washer has a gap of about 2 mm. Under higher drag pressures, they can and will grove into the gear sleeve, and you may experience a set drag because the drag washer will groove into the gear sleeve or even damage the gear sleeve.
For this reason, I have created a drag kit of thinner stainless steel material where the keyed washer is from 0.25 to 0.5 mm larger than the gear sleeve itself to provide more contact area which will result in less chances of grooving into the gear sleeve, and therefore achieve greater drag numbers will less likelihood of damage to the gear sleeve.
By the way, Daiwa's stock metal washers are THICK and you cannot use them completely to create a 5 carbon fiber stack system in the main gear.
Nice post Bryan! I like the little text boxes. Nice touch. ;)
X2.... nice post bryan....
thanks for the enlightment.... ;)
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 28, 2014, 08:25:07 AM
The posting shows the use of Penn 114H's metal drag washers. I wasn't going to say anything because I don't line spouting my own horn...but I do have a concern about using Penn's 114H metal drag washers, particularly the keyed metal washers. I have attached my photo of the comparison.
The last photo will show that the Penn 114H metal drag washer has a gap of about 2 mm. Under higher drag pressures, they can and will grove into the gear sleeve, and you may experience a set drag because the drag washer will groove into the gear sleeve or even damage the gear sleeve.
For this reason, I have created a drag kit of thinner stainless steel material where the keyed washer is from 0.25 to 0.5 mm larger than the gear sleeve itself to provide more contact area which will result in less chances of grooving into the gear sleeve, and therefore achieve greater drag numbers will less likelihood of damage to the gear sleeve.
By the way, Daiwa's stock metal washers are THICK and you cannot use them completely to create a 5 carbon fiber stack system in the main gear.
I mentioned the Penn washers because I had trouble finding the Daiwa washers, however, I found them and the reel was assembled with the Daiwa metal washers. Yes you can use them to create a 5+1 drag stack. They work just fine. The only Penn washer was the HT-100 under the main gear. I also mentioned that the Penn washers had a slightly oversize hole and smaller ears.
Quote from: day0ne on March 01, 2014, 06:38:11 AM
I mentioned the Penn washers because I had trouble finding the Daiwa washers, however, I found them and the reel was assembled with the Daiwa metal washers. Yes you can use them to create a 5+1 drag stack. They work just fine. The only Penn washer was the HT-100 under the main gear. I also mentioned that the Penn washers had a slightly oversize hole and smaller ears.
thanks for the insight...
so using addition 2 daiwa metal washers (keyed and eared) is no problem right? just use thinner carbon washer to compensate... then its fine..... ???
Quote from: madday on March 01, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: day0ne on March 01, 2014, 06:38:11 AM
I mentioned the Penn washers because I had trouble finding the Daiwa washers, however, I found them and the reel was assembled with the Daiwa metal washers. Yes you can use them to create a 5+1 drag stack. They work just fine. The only Penn washer was the HT-100 under the main gear. I also mentioned that the Penn washers had a slightly oversize hole and smaller ears.
thanks for the insight...
so using addition 2 daiwa metal washers (keyed and eared) is no problem right? just use thinner carbon washer to compensate... then its fine..... ???
that is possible but I nave not tried it.
I am considering a 600h now that I just acquired two 900h's. Alan, do you have an upgraded drag kit for the 600h like you do for the 900h? Thanks.
I am currently out and am still awaiting the parts from the cutter. I'm a small customer so I have to wait.
Thanks Bryan. Any eta?
Just stripped mine Im sure I can 5+1 it with factory washers
I've enjoyed this thread very much, it's helped me rebuild my dad's old 600h I found in the attic. I was hoping someone here could help me however. The only thing missing from the reel being perfect, are the badges/decals. I've called Daiwa and they told me no dice. I was hoping one of you fine gentlemen would know of another source?
I'm no help M-14, but fish that bad boy. Your Dad or the fish don't care how pretty it is.
I have a missing badge on one of mine but I try to ignore it.
Good luck, I hope you find it though.
Sometimes frames and sideplates do show up on eBay with badges intact. It just takes time and perseverance...
More perseverance than anything. I am tempted to Epoxy mine on my collection.
The dreaded Sealine Badges. Ugh!
Thanks guys, I'll keep looking. Just horsed up a 120 lb Goliath with it last weekend, so it doesn't need badges to work. :)
120lb
Photos please.
Or story
I love this reel for deep drops
I get to the surface Last but with a smile on my face`. Will be even better when I sort out the handle :D
Today I scored (2) 600H's of the silver framed model. Both in nice shape, save the drag washer upgrade I need to do. After the 900H's I tore apart with stainless everything, I was a bit surprised to see that one of these reels has a bronze set plate.
So I need to order a sleeve, drags & metals, and I'm going to get arms from Adam, and knobs from the boss.
I have to say though, every time I pull a Daiwa apart the sheer gear size and strength amazes me.
So I'm officially a shark fisherman next spring.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 26, 2015, 05:39:01 AM
More perseverance than anything. I am tempted to Epoxy mine on my collection.
The dreaded Sealine Badges. Ugh!
I have succumb to epoxy the badges in as they always seem to fall out and rubber cement just doesn't hold well anymore once the surface gets dirty and pitted.
Quote from: Rancanfish on December 17, 2015, 01:20:51 AM
Today I scored (2) 600H's of the silver framed model. Both in nice shape, save the drag washer upgrade I need to do. After the 900H's I tore apart with stainless everything, I was a bit surprised to see that one of these reels has a bronze set plate.
So I need to order a sleeve, drags & metals, and I'm going to get arms from Adam, and knobs from the boss.
I have to say though, every time I pull a Daiwa apart the sheer gear size and strength amazes me.
So I'm officially a shark fisherman next spring.
I have a few insert drag kits for the 600H left, and the 900H ones are in the works. I tested the max drag on my 600H at over 50 lbs max, but where it really shined was how smooth it was at 30-35 lbs.
Adam, I'm going to be upgrading these, starting with the offset arms you make.
I just haven't confirmed the 5/0 Kolekar handle with the countersink stem end is still available, and the hole size needed to fit said arm. I want to get it right so I'm not drilling on your fine product.
I'm really keeping my eyes out for SS gear sleeves before I go beyond a basic CF upgrade.
Thanks for all you're doing.
Randy,
The handles are available. They come straight from the Bosu.
Send him a PM and ask for 5/0 Kokelar with the 5/16" Countersink.
Quote from: Marquesas14 on July 10, 2015, 02:17:30 AM
Thanks guys, I'll keep looking. Just horsed up a 120 lb Goliath with it last weekend, so it doesn't need badges to work. :)
" . . . WHERE ARE YOUR BADGES? " . . . LOL ! ! !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ)
Where do I get one of those handles? Want one for my 400h...
Send a PM directly to Alan Tani, he'll answer as soon as he's available.
I do have stainless steel drive shafts for this reel as well....
www.cortezconversions.com
Sorry for the shameless plug! ;D
I am really FED UP with the MESS caused by Photobucket's GREED . . .
SO, after some "Internet Sleuthing", you will now find a PDF version of this tutorial, WITH PHOTOGRAPHS, below,
ENJOY !
Tight Lines !
Hi guys can i buy an off the shelf drag kit for a 600h, i was given a really good conditioned one a few weeks ago. But the drag is so sticky
Try Contacting Bryan at......
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12058.0
Hope he still has a kit in stock for you.
Quote from: Rothmar2 on October 19, 2018, 07:17:10 PM
Try Contacting Bryan about....
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7972.0
Hope he still has a kit in stock for you.
Thanks, just wondering could i just add carbontex washers? Or to get a better drag system do i need to replace the metal washers etc as well?
You could, but it would depend on what drag washers are currently in there. The stock Daiwa drag washers were quite thick, sometimes 2x+ thicker than the carbontex washers you will be replacing the stock ones with. You will then have a problem with the spacer sleeve under the star now being too short, and the star may rub against the side plate before you get any meaningful drag tension. You might have add one or more extra metal washers on top of your modified stack to get it back to an acceptable overall height.
Bryan's kit will be a direct swap out, and call it done. But if you have the tools, materials and time to modify other washers to suit, there is nothing stopping you from building your own custom metal stack to suit the carbontex upgrade. I have done this on Penns and Daiwa's with mixed results. The quickest and easiest solution is to invest in Bryan's kit. These reels are worth the investment IMO, as properly cared for, you will be able to hand these reels down to your children. It's a shame Daiwa don't build reels as robust as this series any more.
For the "How-To" on the Carbon drag . . .
See Post #1 in this thread http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=4783.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=4783.0) . . .
AND this thread http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8.0),
Tight Lines !
Many thanks guys..