Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Bryan Young on December 05, 2012, 01:24:01 AM



Title: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on December 05, 2012, 01:24:01 AM
Hi Folks,

I'm working on the complete tutorial, but here is a preview...all pics, no descriptions.

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Okay folks, how many of you have found the 6+1 bearings?  the spool bearing sare opened, clenaed, and lubed with TSI.  The AR bearing was lubed with TSI321 mixed with corrosionX.  All other bearings were packed with grease.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Cone on December 05, 2012, 07:56:12 AM
Nice job Bryan. I liked the pic with the framing square for scale. I'll have to remember that. Bob


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: George4741 on December 05, 2012, 08:02:32 AM
Looking good Bryan.  I didn't realize how little mono this reel holds.  BTW I'm not going back to count the 6+1 bearings. ;D 


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Robert Janssen on December 05, 2012, 08:11:22 AM
Hmm, this reminds me...

The next time someone has one of these reels apart, would they please be so kind as to measure one of the drag washers very accurately?

I'd like to know the major diameters including wings AND excluding wings, as well as width of wing @ base.

.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: buitrechico on December 17, 2012, 04:36:27 PM
One of the best reels for surfcasting (price-quality-performance).When will the complete tutorial be finished, Bryan?

Richard


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on December 17, 2012, 06:57:27 PM
I suspect during the holidays while I'm resting.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: SoCalAngler on December 17, 2012, 10:31:11 PM
Bryan,
What did you think of the yoke springs? I serviced a SQL 15 last week and found them a bit lacking. What I mean by this is after reinstalling everything after the service I noticed a little bit of gear noise, so I thought. After a closer look I noticed it was the yoke rubbing on the pinion gear, as the yoke was not pushed flush enough with the little tension offered by the springs. I expanded the springs a little and the yoke now sat flush and did not rub against the gear grooves on the pinion. Just woundered if you had the same?


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on December 17, 2012, 11:12:25 PM
On the Squall 12 was just fine, but my personal feeling is that the yoke springs should have been a little taller so that it will have a more positive engagement when in gear.  I suppose I could have pulled them out a bit but when I got the reel back together, it worked just fine.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: johndtuttle on December 26, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
glad to see you wearing gloves. much better for your health long term  :D.

surprised to see an instant ar in addition to dogs, i had thought they were dogged only.

scuttlebutt is that squall is currently best in class :)


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Jimmer on December 26, 2012, 07:00:15 PM
I have been kind of an Okuma fan, but that looks like it doesn't even need a pre=service- are these American made?


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on December 26, 2012, 07:57:20 PM
I have been kind of an Okuma fan, but that looks like it doesn't even need a pre=service- are these American made?
Well since your an okuma fan it shouldnt matter lol but no they are not. Penns cut off point for USA made is around $250 which is the baja special


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: SoCalAngler on December 27, 2012, 10:44:47 AM
glad to see you wearing gloves. much better for your health long term  :D.

surprised to see an instant ar in addition to dogs, i had thought they were dogged only.

scuttlebutt is that squall is currently best in class :)

ARB only, no dogs in the Sqaull's. My Fathom 25N has dual dogs as well as the ARB but the dogs will only come into play and activate if the ARB fails.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on December 27, 2012, 11:42:48 AM
glad to see you wearing gloves. much better for your health long term  :D.

surprised to see an instant ar in addition to dogs, i had thought they were dogged only.

scuttlebutt is that squall is currently best in class :)

ARB only, no dogs in the Sqaull's. My Fathom 25N has dual dogs as well as the ARB but the dogs will only come into play and activate if the ARB fails.

Considering the Squall 12, being that it's designed for 12# mono or let's say 30# braided line, a good ARB should be fine and not go knuckle buster at drag ranges from 4# to 10#.  I can see why no dogs were implemented into the 12.  I haven't seen anything larger for comparison though.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: johndtuttle on December 27, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
glad to see you wearing gloves. much better for your health long term  :D.

surprised to see an instant ar in addition to dogs, i had thought they were dogged only.

scuttlebutt is that squall is currently best in class :)

ARB only, no dogs in the Sqaull's. My Fathom 25N has dual dogs as well as the ARB but the dogs will only come into play and activate if the ARB fails.

Oh my bad, I musta been hallucinating and thought I saw Amb. Style dogs, wrong again :).


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: basto on December 27, 2012, 11:30:48 PM
Excellent distance casting surf reel, but I have read more than once that it is not as desireable as the USA made 525 Mag that preceeded it.
My first impression of mine is how extremely light it is. Love that drag.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: zonrokoy on March 12, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
Hi Bryan,

Thanks for the pictorial. Just one question pls - how were you able to remove that left side bushing (key 40) from the sideplate? I've just serviced my 15 but could not remove that thing. Thanks.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on March 12, 2014, 03:36:45 PM
Hi Bryan,

Thanks for the pictorial. Just one question pls - how were you able to remove that left side bushing (key 40) from the sideplate? I've just serviced my 15 but could not remove that thing. Thanks.
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Yes

I used a small deep socket to put over the bushing then tilted the bushing back and forth until it worked it's way out.  That's why there's grease marks on the top of the bushing...from the socket.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: zonrokoy on March 12, 2014, 05:43:18 PM
Ok will try that. Thanks for your help.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: mrbrklyn on May 28, 2014, 03:50:25 AM
Picks are gone.  I think I need to serive my squal 15.  And the drag has been a big problem.  I lost a cod on it the other day because the drag wouldn't turn up.  I supposse the washer is shot.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on May 28, 2014, 05:43:32 AM
The pictures will come back sometime.  Let me see if I can find the pics so I can move them here.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: mrbrklyn on May 29, 2014, 02:17:39 AM
does anyone service these things?


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on May 29, 2014, 05:29:24 AM
I've done the Penn Squall. They are neat little reels.  I would consider this reel a great replacement for a Newell 200 series.  Send me a PM when you have the time.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: mrbrklyn on May 29, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
there are a lot of little parts.  But the main problem with this one, at this point, seems to be the drag washer.  I sent an PM.

Ruben


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on May 29, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
Ok, something is going on with PhotoBucket.  Will see what I can do to get this fixed.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: mrbrklyn on May 29, 2014, 05:52:16 PM
Ok, something is going on with PhotoBucket.  Will see what I can do to get this fixed.

I can host the photographs


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: pompano joe on November 18, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
These are perfect for Surf Casting here on the Gulf Coast, IMHO.  I've used them and sold over 1/2 dozen without any problems.  Great free spool, strong drag, and the mag system is more than sufficient for anything we throw around here.  Also loved the 525s, and the Okuma 230 Convector was another great reel in this same size and theme.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Vjtrey1 on August 22, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Can i use this tut for penn squall 15 star drag right?


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: johndtuttle on August 22, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Can i use this tut for penn squall 15 star drag right?

Yes, same reel, just a little different size (wider).


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Vjtrey1 on August 22, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
Can i use this tut for penn squall 15 star drag right?

Yes, same reel, just a little different size (wider).
thank you so much!


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: intili on April 18, 2017, 06:29:29 AM
hi Bryan, nice job! but i have one question?? What size was that deep socket you used to pull the brass bearing retainer 9/32 deep 12 point? i need to do a tear apoart and repair of the same reel, but in a hotel room in S.C near fort jackson, for my oldest son who is coming up from Fla to meet us for my youngest sons graduation from Army Boot camp on 6/1/17! He says the reel makes a grinding sound that gets louder as he turns up the magnet level. I have experience with the older 525 mag, which has a bearing not shown on the diagrams from penn. It needed replacement and i measured it and got it from Boca, it was a small 3 by 12 MM. I believe it supported the pinion but i cant remember now, but Tony from penn did help me on it, say 3 years or so ago


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: Bryan Young on April 18, 2017, 09:41:43 AM
hi Bryan, nice job! but i have one question?? What size was that deep socket you used to pull the brass bearing retainer 9/32 deep 12 point? i need to do a tear apoart and repair of the same reel, but in a hotel room in S.C near fort jackson, for my oldest son who is coming up from Fla to meet us for my youngest sons graduation from Army Boot camp on 6/1/17! He says the reel makes a grinding sound that gets louder as he turns up the magnet level. I have experience with the older 525 mag, which has a bearing not shown on the diagrams from penn. It needed replacement and i measured it and got it from Boca, it was a small 3 by 12 MM. I believe it supported the pinion but i cant remember now, but Tony from penn did help me on it, say 3 years or so ago
I knew someone would ask an excellent question that I couldn't answer. I cannot recall. I'm sorry. I have not had a Squall in for service since I posted the tutorial. I suspect it was a 8 or 10 mm deep socket or standard equivalent.

Correction. One of the pics shows a 9/32" socket. It's a 6 point because that is all I have. A 12 point would work just as fine. The points are contacting the tube anyway. 12 point would probably be better.


Title: Re: Penn Squall 12 (SQL 12)
Post by: intili on October 10, 2019, 07:58:12 AM
update to this post from a few years ago, the rell squall 12 had factory defective mag assembly, Penn replaced it with a new one, thanks to Tony Dubek!