The 49 is a nice reel, but the gear sleeve just doesn't hold up.
The pressure from the gears on this reel is just too much for the bridge sleeve to handle, so I decided to give it a go on trying to beef it up a bit.
I'm using the bridge from the 349, part # 3-349
(http://i.imgur.com/ZY7DxBK.jpg)
I startet by removing the ring from the plate and enlarging the hole by 2.5mm, to accept the new sleeve
(http://i.imgur.com/yO7tSIs.jpg)
This bit will make the job easier
(http://i.imgur.com/4bQYp2c.jpg)
I also enlarged the ID on the main gear and drags by the same 2.5mm.
I can't tell where the metal washers are from, I had them in one of my boxes.
I still had to customize them to fit.
(http://i.imgur.com/rTTKnuz.jpg)
I decided to use a better tension spring, so I had to do a little shaving on the plate for clearance.
The bridge on the left is the original
(http://i.imgur.com/GFnrd1S.jpg)
I must really like you guys, I had to destroy a good bridge for this project
(http://i.imgur.com/A6GhleU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ie14iY4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/auTiXYk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/375KrgB.jpg)
Here is the new 49 with the 349 bridge
(http://i.imgur.com/WEMoUnq.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/009-9.jpg)
The holes on the 349 bridge don't line up with the 49 plate.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/002-16.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-16.jpg)
I was only able to install (3) screws on plate.
This is not a big deal, we're at an early stage with this.
I'm sure it can be modified by drilling and tapping again, I didn't do it because the new hole needs to be 1/16" away fro the existing.
This reel is working nice and smooth now, even with (3) screws on the bridge.
I could actually fish it as is, if I wanted to.
The bottom line is that the 349 bridge will work in the 49!
Enjoy it for what it's worth.
Sal
Fantastic!
I don't own one, but I really like this reel. I know that Lee uses the 113H SS gear sleeves on his 349s, that would be a great add to the mix. This reel uses the 501 stand and posts, or more correctly the 501 uses the 49s, so putting Newell parts on it would be sweet.
Another fantastic conversion my good man!! BZ
Ron
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 13, 2013, 05:17:52 AM
I must really like you guys, I had to destroy a good bridge for this project
Sal
Sal, we really like you, too! ;D
Your project looks promising. I also think the standard gear sleeve is wimpy on the 49. Your work may even encourage others to do similar mods on other reels. Thanks.
Nice work Sal !! I love reading about your various projects you share with us.
Thank you,
John
Yes George, this is a good upgrade. It's not just about the sleeve, also the post. I've seen my share of damaged 49 bidges,
some with rounded tip and some with lose posts on the plate. This is a nice reel with some good features, I like the 6 frame posts. Being so narrow, it will be very hard for the frame to twist under load. As you already know the drags are almost identical to the 114H.
Sal
Quote from: john2244 on January 13, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
Nice work Sal !! I love reading about your various projects you share with us.
Thank you,
John
Thanks John!
Great work Sal - thanks for sharing.
Particularly appreciate the drawings.
Always something new! ;)
Cheers mate, Justin
Sal, I'm beginning to doubt your a mason/contractor. I think your a Penngineer! ;D I'm always amazed at what you think up. Bob
Wow that gives me something to work towards, we put the 49's through hell and until I came on here just replaced them! Thanks for getting it back out for us to see. I actually have a 349 that is just parts, maybe I'll follow your info to one of my wore out 49's. Thanks!
The 349 and 349H is a slower but much stronger reel, don't loose the parts they are getting hard to find.
Yes it is , but don't underestimate the 49 gears. Take a closer look above at how thick the wall of that gear is.
Groves for the eared washers on main gears usually go to the edge of the wall, on smaller gears there isn't anything left, on the 49 there is still 1/8, just an obsorvation.
Not to get off the subject here Lee, as I mentioned it to you at an earlier time, I like the 114H narrow much better than the 349.
I believe it's a much stronger reel. The 349 and 49 are 1/4" narrower than the 114H, but everything else is very close. The hardware on the 114H is much beefiier.... we need 3.25:1 on that reel.
Yup. And parts for the 49 and 114H are far easier to find. If it wasn't for this board my 349s would still be in a box gathering dust due to missing and worn out parts.... 2 of them were reels others gave me for parts when spools became almost impossable to find.
If you can post a photo of the mods you did to the 15-49, I think I know where we can find a SS one.
The brass drag washers must go if you plan to fish with one of these reels. I opened up a pair of them recently and found the washers deformed from severe loading against the gear sleeve on one of them. The gear sleeve post felt solid, though so I upgraded with HT-100s and s/s metals and buttoned it back up.
I know "stock sucks" but this reel will be sold for the proceeds to go to Discover Fishing.
I mentioned above that the 3-349 bridge needed some modifications.... non are needed.
I was able to install it and have the four screws set in.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/007-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/007-11.jpg.html)
all four screws need to be lose and tightened gradually.
The spacer sleeve needs to be a little longer, I used a piece of a 1/2" copper pipe, it fits perfectly.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/013-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/013-11.jpg.html)
The reel is working nicely.
Lee, you asked to check the stainless dogs, I was able to use it but it will need some adjustment.
I needed to bend the tail a little, it wasn't disengaging, it also needs to be a little longer.
I did send you some, let me know if you need some more.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/005-10.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/005-10.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/006-13.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/006-13.jpg.html)
here is a shot of the dog engaging
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-20.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/003-20.jpg.html)
and disengaging
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/001-16.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/001-16.jpg.html)
This is now a much better reel, it could really use the upgrade.
Sal
Quote from: Cone on January 14, 2013, 12:28:02 AM
Sal, I'm beginning to doubt your a mason/contractor. I think your a Penngineer! ;D I'm always amazed at what you think up. Bob
yeah cone, sal has some concrete ideas
Mounted the reel and tested it, I was a little disappointed to find that I was only able to get 10lb with the star tight all the way.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/006-14.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/006-14.jpg.html)
I will try a couple of things and see if I can get a little more.
These are nice reels, but not easy to use, I installed some magnets and the reel is much more manageable now.
I was able to cast it with no issues with the line
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-21.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/003-21.jpg.html)
I'll keep you posted if I get to increase the drags a bit.
Sal
Sal,
Interesting thread. You are the first person that I've heard of who magged a 49.
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 28, 2013, 02:23:15 PM
Mounted the reel and tested it, I was a little disappointed to find that I was only able to get 10lb with the star tight all the way.
Maybe enlarging the hole in the sideplate and installing a 113H drag pressure washer is an option? That should distribute the pressure more evenly to the drag washers.
George
George, I'm able to get a birdnest just by dropping 6oz ;D.
It is working much smoother now with the magnets, I personally like it. I also gave it a shot casting at the back of my house, only about 80 feet, but the line peeled off nicely.
Good thinking on the plate, I actually thought about installing a top hat. I believe there are some with the easy access drag system on those, am I wrong? It would be nice.
This may be way out of the box, but is the copper to soft to apply adequate pressure? I think something harder like steel or aluminium might hold more drag. I really love this reel, I will eventually build one of these.
Ron
Brass has good compression strength but SS does not flex as much.
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 28, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
George, I'm able to get a birdnest just by dropping 6oz ;D.
And that is a good thing? ;D ;D
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 28, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
Good thinking on the plate, I actually thought about installing a top hat. I believe there are some with the easy access drag system on those, am I wrong? It would be nice.
Yes, as the following link suggests, I was thinking about how Aaron's father used a 113H drag cover washer on his 49.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2364.msg13395#msg13395
Quote from: noyb72 on April 28, 2013, 09:24:16 PM
This may be way out of the box, but is the copper to soft to apply adequate pressure? I think something harder like steel or aluminium might hold more drag. I really love this reel, I will eventually build one of these.
Ron
I was leaning towards the spacer sleeve also, but not for being soft, I was thinking that the wall was too thin to apply even pressure.
I did manage to figure it out, as I was turning the star, I noticed that it wasn't sitting square with the handle. I removed it andsure enough it did have a nice bend. I see a lot of the star tip bent, but I've never seen one bent close to the threads as this one.
I can't show a picture, my wife has the camera.
Anyway, I'm now getting 16# from replacing the star. I'm happy with it, but I think I can squeeze a little bit more out of this one.
Thanks for the link George, I forgot all about that. Not a good idea increasing drags on a reel that already has issue with the stock bridge plate and sleeve, but I'm not taking anything away from Aaron's father for doing so. Must be a very smart man, as I said it there, no wonder Aaron is so talented, took after his dad. Good stuff George, thanks for the reminder.
Sal
Again, not taking anything away from Aaron's father, but I don't think the last ht-100 and keyed washer in his 1+4 drag did much to increase drag, as we know a 1+3, 1+5, etc. is the way to go for drags to properly work. Two keyed washers with an ht-100 between them still act as one drag washer. Maybe he used them as spacers. But I DO like the idea of enlarging the hole in the sideplate and adding the 113H "top hat" washer.
George
BTW, concerning the drag numbers on your 49; my 349H with a 1+5 drag maxed at only 18lb. Still good enough for me as I plan to spool it with #40 or #50 mono. I guess some individual reels do better (or worse :-\) than others.
George
Quote from: George4741 on April 29, 2013, 02:05:22 AM
But I DO like the idea of enlarging the hole in the sideplate and adding the 113H "top hat" washer.
George
I hope so, or I would get upset ;D.
I just did mine, but now one of the screw is not lining up :-\. I believe if I enlarge the holes on the yoke a little, I will be ok, I only need a hair.
Here is my cut out on the plate.....to be continued, I'm going to bed.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/018-7.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/018-7.jpg.html)
Can you braze the holes and redrill them?
Sal, your project is lookin' good.
Back in business!
Just a quick re cap: This isn't about increasing drags,this is about trying to beef up the gear sleeve.
The 49 generates around 15lb, I've experienced from the past that the stock gear sleeve doesn't hold up with those numbers.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/002-21.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/002-21.jpg.html)
bridge on the left is used for the upgrade, you can see for yourself on size differance.
The four bridge screws are now going in nicely, I needed to shave just a hair more on the new plate opening
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-22.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/003-22.jpg.html)
here I have it set in with all four screws
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/005-12.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/005-12.jpg.html)
planty of clearance with the gear now
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/007-12.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/007-12.jpg.html)
and here is the finished reel
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/011-8.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/011-8.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/008-14.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/008-14.jpg.html)
16lb is all that I'm able to get with the star tightened all the way, I could increase it, but it will do just fine as is.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/012-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/012-11.jpg.html)
I'm very happy with my results, the reel works nicely.
enjoy it for what its worth!
Sal
Nice work Sal.
John
Sal, you are the PENN MAN!!! thanks for sharing and risking it for yourself and us.
Fantastic!
When are we going to double dog this sucker?
Ron
Sal let me Know what you want for this reel, I could do some powder coating for u ;D
Sal I have some NOS parts for that reel if you need anything..
I found a 349 Master Mariner at a yard sale. Took it apart today. Looks like it's never been serviced. I found a critical part that needs to be replaced. The top five threads on the Bridge Sleeve shaft are stripped. Part No. 98-349. Any of you have a suggestion on where I can get a replacement?
The rest of the reel, apart from corrosion on the metal spool, frame posts, stand, looks OK. I do plan on replacing the drag washers (using Dawn's help). The plan is to use the reel for Halibut.
Bill
(Beacherman)
Quote from: beacherman on October 04, 2014, 04:06:47 AM
Part No. 98-349. Any of you have a suggestion on where I can get a replacement?
Here y'go: https://www.mysticparts.com//Search.aspx?k=98-349 (https://www.mysticparts.com//Search.aspx?k=98-349) :)
~A~"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. It's pretty spending though...$15.75. Yikes! Anybody have other suggestions?
Bill
It will take me a couple days, but I have a factory brass one that I can send you. If you ever have the coin to invest, Alan's stainless sleeve can't be beat and allows you to seriously upgrade the drag on that thing. You can go crazy and turn this into a bulletproof reel, and depending on where your catching halibut that probably isn't a bad idea. If the halibut are 60#s or less you can run this reel stock with greased CF drags for a lifetime.
Let me know
Ron
Ron,
Thanks for getting back to me. I want to keep it stock and I'm getting some Drag washers from Dawn. What are the details on your sleeve?
Bill
It's just a factory 113H sleeve, which everyone on here says fits. I took it out when I upgraded to stainless. It is kicking around in one of my drawers, I'll find it.
Ron
Ron,
Thanks for your help. How much do you want for it?
Bill
Once I find it I'll just send it out, no big deal.
Ron
Ron,
You're too kind.
Have PM'd my address.
Let me know your address and I'll send you some smoked salmon, I caught off the beach here.
Bill
Thanks for the info.
It seems that I have to look for a 349 wreck I can use to upgrade my 49 reel since the SS gear sleeve is unavailable and that is just a partial fix anyway.
Does anyone know if a bridge from other reels can be used in the 49 reel?
I am thinking in the lines of replacing the gear sleeve post with a beefier one and a beefier gear sleeve.
It must be possible to drill out the hole for the post and braze a new beefier post in place.
I have alredy got SS main gear in it. This can be drilled to accept a gear sleeve with the same diameter as the 349 sleeve.
Anyone who has some thoughts about this?
Edit:
After looking at the part numbers for different reels, I found that the 113H has the same gera sleeve as the 349, but the bridge has a complete different shape.
This means that I can't use a 113H bridge, but I can use a 113H left side plate with internals as a donor, but a 349 left side plate is a better donor.
Trond, the 349 gearsleeve "ratchet" has a larger OD than the 113 gearsleeve.
Quote from: beacherman on October 04, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. It's pretty spending though...$15.75. Yikes! Anybody have other suggestions?
Bill
Use a 113H gearsleeve, they are not the same as the 349 gearsleeve but they will work.
Are you saying that a gear sleeve from a 113H will fit on the 49 bridge or did I miss something here?
No, I believe Lee (Keta) was talking about the 349. The 49 has the same gear sleevce as a Jigmaster, that was the main reason I started this thread.
Sal
Ok. I am starting to get a grip on it.
I have found a 349 bridge with gear sleeve, star drag and washers, but what I don't know is what metal drag washers will fits inside the 49 main gear. (stainless)
The 349 and 113h steel washers will fit perfectly on the new 349 sleeve, but will they fit inside the main gear from the 49 reel?
The eared metal washer from the 49 drag set can be drilled to fit, but the keyed washers with semi-square hole cannot be drilled. I may use a file and some elbow grease to make them fit, but finding a washer or two that fits right away is much better.
Anyone who can shed some light on this?
Quote from: trond_solem on October 27, 2014, 11:34:41 PM
The 349 and 113h steel washers will fit perfectly on the new 349 sleeve, but will they fit inside the main gear from the 49 reel?
Yes, the keyed 113H washers have a smaller diameter but will work. If I remember right, the 349H washers are also slightly smaller than the 49 washers. If not, you can reduce the diameter in a lathe. I don't know of any other keyed washers that will fit the 349 sleeve.
The ID of 349 washers is larger than the ID of 49 washers.
Yes, that's the point.
They will fit perfectly on the 349 sleeve.
A complete list of ID, OD and thickness of the different steel drag washers for all the Penn reels compiled into a table would be just great!
Add information about ID, OD and thickness of the carbon fibre drag washers too and we can just look up in the table to find what to use where.
In a couple of weeks I can supply data for 49, 112H, 113H, 114H and partly at least for 349.
Who wants to build the table and publish it as a PDF?
Quote from: trond_solem on October 29, 2014, 10:59:41 AM
Yes, that's the point.
They will fit perfectly on the 349 sleeve.
Proper washers with a 49 OD and 349 ID can be cut.
Yes, they can, but I have got some info that says the I can use #113H keyed washers and #49 eared washers. Just open up the ID of the eared washers to fit over the #349 sleeve.
That will probably be a viable solution. From what I have found by searching the board, the #349 (not H) washers are just a tad smaller than the #49 washers. 1.105" for the #349 washers and 1.119" for the #49 washers. The big question is: Where do I find #349 washers? Most of the reels sold are #349H or #349HS.
BTW, I have started collecting washer dimensons, but I will need input from you out there to compile a more or less complete table.
I might still have some thin (.035" and .045") 349 drag washer sets but it would be better to draw up and have a few sets cut for the 49/349 modification. How many here would be interested in a set? I can take my 49 apart and draw up the washers if there is any interest. I prefer my keyed drag washer OD to be closer to the gear ID, as long as they do not touch.
The "H" and "HS" use the same drag washers.
For reference, 113H washers are 1.055" diameter and 349H are 1.230" dia.
Yes, and the 349 (non-h) washers are 1.105 OD, and that is just 0.014 less than the 49 washers and a better fit.
Just finished the 49 to 349 upgrade.
Drilled out the steel gear, drag washers and eared washer to the correct dimension. Had only 349H keyed brass washers so I had to file them done to the correct size. Took some time and elbow grease, but in the end, they fit perfectly.
How on earth it is possible to fit the 349 bridge into the 49 sideplate without altering the screw holes are beyond my imagination. I had to elongate the holes in the side plate and install locating pins through the bridge and into the side plate to make the bridge sit in the correct position. I drilled a couple of 1.5mm holes through the bridge and about 5mm into the bakelite side plate. Then I cut two 10mm long pieces from an 1.5mm unbraco key. It will fit thight in those holes. I files the upper end of them a bit thinner and glued them into the side plate with superglue.
I opened up the hole for the crank and the drag washer so that the chromed thick outer 349 washer sits nicely in the hole. At the moment I use a brass sleeve between this washer and the drag star. I have to find a better fitting stainless sleeve somewhere.
Anyway, it is working with a lot of drag available. I set the drag star to max and held the spool with my left hand. It was close to impossible to rotate the crank even if I used almost all the force I could use on it. No gear slippage, no cracking sounds. I loosened up the drag and could turn the crank using a firm, even force. I haven't tested with line yet, but with carbontex drag washers and all the metal washers trued up during the process, I can't imagine the drag to be jerky.
This isn't a job for the faint harted. It requires extensive modification of the side plate and internals. You'd better know what you are doing before starting on this kind of job.
Quote from: trond_solem on November 06, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
Just finished the 49 to 349 upgrade.
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How on earth it is possible to fit the 349 bridge into the 49 sideplate without altering the screw holes are beyond my imagination.
Just look above, its right there in black and white.
I'm glad you gave it a shot, just don't discourage anyone else about doing this modification, if me and you can do it so can they. This isn't really a big deal, I actually think its a cool modification. There was no need to alter the plate on mine, just set the bridge screws a little at a time and they will fit with no issues.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 06, 2014, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: trond_solem on November 06, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
Just finished the 49 to 349 upgrade.
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How on earth it is possible to fit the 349 bridge into the 49 sideplate without altering the screw holes are beyond my imagination.
Just look above, its right there in black and white.
I'm glad you gave it a shot, just don't discourage anyone else about doing this modification, if me and you can do it so can they. This isn't really a big deal, I actually think its a cool modification. There was no need to alter the plate on mine, just set the bridge screws a little at a time and they will fit with no issues.
Sal
I tried that, but I couldn't get more than two screws to enter. Just making the holes wider made me able to get all the screws to enter, but they couldn't be tightened. If I tried that, the bridge was pushed against the edge of the plate and the main gear was locked against the outer edge of the plate.
I think there must be two versions of either the 49 reel or the 349 bridge.
Anyway, positioning it where it has to be and installing locating pins solved the problem. If you do that, you can enlarge the holes in the plate enough to get the screws to fit without any big problems. If I had done that in the first place, it would have saved me a lot of work and tinkering.
Quote from: trond_solem on November 06, 2014, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 06, 2014, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: trond_solem on November 06, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
Just finished the 49 to 349 upgrade.
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How on earth it is possible to fit the 349 bridge into the 49 sideplate without altering the screw holes are beyond my imagination.
Just look above, its right there in black and white.
I'm glad you gave it a shot, just don't discourage anyone else about doing this modification, if me and you can do it so can they. This isn't really a big deal, I actually think its a cool modification. There was no need to alter the plate on mine, just set the bridge screws a little at a time and they will fit with no issues.
Sal
I tried that, but I couldn't get more than two screws to enter. Just making the holes wider made me able to get all the screws to enter, but they couldn't be tightened. If I tried that, the bridge was pushed against the edge of the plate and the main gear was locked against the outer edge of the plate.
I think there must be two versions of either the 49 reel or the 349 bridge.
Yes, that could very well be, it doesn't take much. I'm glad you were able to make it work.
You must admit, it is a cool upgrade.
Sal
Yes, it is a realy cool upgrade. In a way it is a franken-reel built of parts from at least two different reels.
I spooled on some mono backing yesterday and it worked sleek and sweet. No gear noise or hickups. When I get the 500 meter spool of 60lb braid, I am going to fill it up with that. I expect to be able to add some 250-300 meters of braid in addition to the backing.
This is going to be a great reel for deep water codfishing this winter. We regularly fish at depths of 100 to 150 yards for cod during the winter. A fast retrival rate is essential when I don't want to use most of my time pulling the jig or fish up from the bottom.
I have an idea for double-doging the 49, 149 and 349 reels without loosing the anti-reverse disconnect.
I don't know if it's possible since I have to run a disconnect link over to the new dog. The idea is here, but it has to be tried to be sure it can be done. The link may have to be rerouted, but it will always be possible to come up with some solution to the problem.
5+1 drags for the 49 - 349 franken-reel anyone?
5x 0.5mm thick 349 (non-H version) carbontex drags, 3x 0.5mm thick 349 keyed washers and 2x 0.5mm thick 49 eared washers will make it possible to fit the first 4 carbontex, 2 keyed aand 2 eared washers inside the main gear. The last carbontex and keyed washer will be outside the main gear, but that isn't a problem.
So, who can supply me with the thin steel washers? The carbontex washers can be found at Smoothdrags. I may have to enlare the ID of them, but that is an easy task.
For those who wants to take the #49 reel to its limits, Here are drawings of a new and thicker bridge in stainless steel. The bridge post is screwed into the bridge.
This will secure it better against being broken loose from the bridge.
This bridge is about the same thickness as the 349 bridge and stainless instead of brass makes it even stronger.
It is possible to replace the bridge post with a thicker one for the 349 gear sleeve.
If anyone wants to have a go at it, send me a PM and I will give you the DXF file.
Hex insert and washers for the #49 or the #49/349 hybrid reel.
Just fresh from the lasercutters.
I have washers for both the #49, 98-60 gear sleeve and the #349, 98-349 gear sleeve.
Just installed the hex drag system in my #49/#349 hybrid reel. The hex insert fits nicely into the steel main gear.
Because the cutouts for eared washers in the gear, the insert won't go completely to the bottom, but that is ok, since the bottom carbontex working on one side only, no matter if it is hex shapped or round. I made a 0.5mm round carbontex for the bottom. A keyed washer on top of that, and the next hex shaped 1.2mm carbontex is well inside the hex insert.
the last hex carbontex is also well inside the hex insert. The keyed washer on top of that is halfway into the insert. There is no way the hex carbontex washers can get out of the insert.
3 hex drag washers +1 round at the bottom and one under the gear. That is 8 drag surfaces at work.
Wow! Far more drag available than I can handle!
Smooooth and easy to adjust from light to heavy settings.
My scale bottomed out at 29lb. It is possible that there is a pound or two more drag, but it is more than enough for this reel.
Anyway, this is a reel that can be used for coalfish to halibut fishing here in Norway.
I have two inserts with washers for either 349 or 49 size gear sleeve for sale if anyone is interested.
Stainless steel in all parts.
I can cut more of them if the interest is there.
I think that with the gear sleeve and drag washer upgrades, it might be wise to replace the wimpy Penn reelfoot with an aluminum Newell one. I've seen several 30-49 reelfeet noticeably bent. I imagine that many folks looked at the stock 49 and thought "really big reel means really big fish" ::) and overtightened the drag 'till things bent.
I like this thread. With an aluminum spool (not readily available with a 349H) these 49 upgrades should make it the equal of a 349H.
Quote from: George4741 on January 05, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
I think that with the gear sleeve and drag washer upgrades, it might be wise to replace the wimpy Penn reelfoot with an aluminum Newell one. I've seen several 30-49 reelfeet noticeably bent. I imagine that many folks looked at the stock 49 and thought "really big reel means really big fish" ::) and overtightened the drag 'till things bent.
I like this thread. With an aluminum spool (not readily available with a 349H) these 49 upgrades should make it the equal of a 349H.
Or you can use a full aluminium frame.
A half frame for the 49 reel is cheaper to make and will make it a lot stronger.
This can be remodeled to fit the 349 reel. It's just small adjustment in the model.
If you want this made, please help finding a CNC shop that can make them.
Nice work!
Nice That half frame would be great I'd be down for 2.
Tight Lines,Richie
I've read through this thread, several times....gathered up bits and pieces, and decided to give it a try ! I'm deviating from Sal's method (probably a mistake !) a bit....using the dog from the 349, instead of the 49, and "up grading" to the 113H stainless gear sleeve. In order to maintain the same "depth of contact" on the gear set....I'm having issues getting the bridge screws to start, and there will have to be some "minor" screw hole enlargement. I also needed to do a bit of "Dremel work" on the plate, in order to get clearance for the dog / dog pin. Also, in an attempt to use a metal washer, (under the "under gear carbon fiber), "dremeled" the gear "housing" a bit deeper, and also increased the "bore size a bit, trying to gain a bit of "wiggle room" (this was a mistake , on my part, as I "punched through" the plate (along the bottom side)...so, that will need a "band aid" to stop water intrusion . So, I'm "dropping " the under-gear metal washer, and just using the CF.
When (and IF !) I'm successful in getting the bridge where it needs to be , for both gear mesh, and screw alignment, I'll post again, with a few pix !
This modified reel resembles nothing I remember of the trusty old 49's from my youth! Wow quite some work!
I see this thread stretches over some years, first time I've seen it.
I'm not really sure if this *query" should belong here, or, in the "regular" 49 thread....but, I've already "re drug" (installed new HT 100's) a couple of my first 49's....the carbon fibers came from Scott's, and I re used the metal washers from the 49...all of those "metals" are brass...although some LOOK like stainless, because they are nickle plated. And several of the 49's I tore down, had the "ears" either severely deformed...or , in one case, torn clear off. I've noticed, also, a difference in the thickness of the metal washers, from one reel to another. Now, in checking parts lists at Scott.s, and looking at what's available from Smooth Drag...I have a question...does anyone make a "real;" stainless eared washer, that fits the 49 main gear ? Especially a "thicker" washer ? A "real" 49 washer, will fit the I.D of the 49 gear, but will need to be either "bored out" to fit the 113H sleeve (or, "filed out", in the case of the "keyed" washers. For the "keyed washers, " I could use 113H, even though the O.D is slightly smaller(and, I really don't want to do that, as, IMHO, I'd be losing a lot of drag area...much more on the OD of the washer, than that lost on the "inside", by filing out the hole on a 49 washer, and the "eared "washers from that kit won't work, at all (correct ID, but the ears won't engage the slots in the main gear. Thanks !
Quote from: Crow on October 13, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
I've read through this thread, several times....gathered up bits and pieces, and decided to give it a try ! I'm deviating from Sal's method (probably a mistake !) a bit....using the dog from the 349, instead of the 49, and "up grading" to the 113H stainless gear sleeve. In order to maintain the same "depth of contact" on the gear set....I'm having issues getting the bridge screws to start, and there will have to be some "minor" screw hole enlargement. I also needed to do a bit of "Dremel work" on the plate, in order to get clearance for the dog / dog pin. Also, in an attempt to use a metal washer, (under the "under gear carbon fiber), "dremeled" the gear "housing" a bit deeper, and also increased the "bore size a bit, trying to gain a bit of "wiggle room" (this was a mistake , on my part, as I "punched through" the plate (along the bottom side)...so, that will need a "band aid" to stop water intrusion . So, I'm "dropping " the under-gear metal washer, and just using the CF.
When (and IF !) I'm successful in getting the bridge where it needs to be , for both gear mesh, and screw alignment, I'll post again, with a few pix !
Very good Crow, show some pics as you move along.
Best,
Sal
My first "iteration" of the upgrade was to remove some material from the inside of the face plate, to allow clearance for the 349 dog, and it's mounting pin. I "dremelled" out the area, and began "test fitting" the 349 bridge. I used a step drill to enlarge the opening in the faceplate, to clear the larger gear sleeve (I'm using the stainless version), and began "deepening" the area that houses the main gear. My hopes were to be able to use the thin stainless washer and carbontex from the 113H kit, under the gear. Problem was, in order to get enough room, I actually "punched through" the surface of the plate (that area can be seen in the pic). That can be patched , on the outside, so it's not an insurmountable problem. Biggest issue I'm having is in getting all four screws to thread into the bridge....I used a tapered reamer to slightly enlarge the holes (from the "inside") a bit at a time, and "dremelled" the inside of the bore that accepts the main gear (to give me some wiggle room for the gear). I'm attempting to maintain the same spacing between the "center" of the gear sleeve, and the "center" of the spool shaft....that will ensure the correct "mesh" of the gear teeth, and, in doing so, found that two of the bridge mounting holes needed to be enlarged quite a bit....more than I really feel comfortable with. With the gear mesh "close" to what I want, the holes in the yoke slotted (to allow the somewhat wider spacing of the screws) I'm only able to get 3 , of the 4 screws started. In order to start all 4 screws, my gear spacing leaves my "comfort range", and the gear stars dragging on the side of the bore. I'm not done "playing" with this plate, but I'm starting another "concept" (actually, two others) to try....brazing all four mounting holes shut, on a 349 bridge, positioning the gear spacing where I *think* it should be, then re drilling and tapping new holes. That will solve (I hope!) the gear spacing problem, as well as give a bit more "security" to the mounting. It will mean that the "tail" on the dog be bent, slightly, as the position of the mounting pin will have changed, slightly. I have the holes brazed shut, nd I'm ordering the correct taps. The second "option" is replacing the smaller gear sleeve "post" in a 49 bridge, with the larger post (I'm using one from a 113H). Pressing it into place, and brazing from the "outside".
I removed the posts from both bridge assemblies, enlarged the mounting hole in the 49 bridge, and pressed the larger post into place....and that's when "pilot error" jumped up and "bit me in the butt' ! In pressing the post, I neglected to make...and use...a tool to allow me to press from the raised shoulder, at the base of the post....and pushed from the end....bad move !! the "undercut" area on the post folded over ! More "parts" are coming, for another try ! In using the "stock" 49 bridge plate....gear spacing should be correct, as will the mounting screws....and, the use of a 49 dog would be possible, without any "dremell work" on the inside of the plate, although, I would rather use the 349 dog....and that will mean installing the two pins (the dog "pivot", and the "spring mounting") needed , into the 49 bridge plate. Actually, all three of these "options" are still on the table, as I want to see which turns out to be the "easiest", as well as the "most secure"
Stay tuned !
For what it's worth....my wife had a Doctors apt this afternoon....and I took the face plate, bridge, and screws along....also my computer lap desk , and a screwdriver (I'm sure , from the looks I got in the waiting room, folks thought I was waiting for an opening in the psych ward!). Anyway, with no main gear, all four screws went right in....so, I guess I need to "relieve" the bore some more !
Good work brother.....keep it coming....Bill