Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Now you can order this item or other parts I offer online. Please go to http://mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc (http://mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc) and place your order.


Hi all,

I have decided to go with the USA 416 grade stainless steel heat treated for this gear set. Since I do not really want to burn a hole in anyone's pocket, and I want everyone to have a high quality material gear for our beloved PENN 113H, I will be able to sell this SUS 316 gear set for $59.99 (shipping is included) when it is ready. I will offer this price to Alan Tani's website USA member only. For outside USA member, the price will be $59.99 each + actually shipping by USPS First Class International in an order + $1.00 each for PayPal service fee.

Finally, I just want to make a point that I am not looking for to make a whole lot of money from this gear set. I do it because I know it is a right thing to do (not everyone can afford a $80.00 or $90.00 high quality SUS 316 gear set).

I will have few pictures ready in a week or two.

By the way, this gear set is made in Taiwan.

If you have any questions, you can drop me an IM.

I accept credit card by phone (561-568-3980), check or PayPal. Please PM or email to us at sales@prochallenger.com to order. Please let us know the state where the package will be shipped to. There is 6% sales tax for FL customer.

Anyone can also order or purchase (in person) this gear set at following dealers:

1.) Mystic Reel Parts (https://www.mysticparts.com/Custom/ProChallenger/P316113H401.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/Custom/ProChallenger/P316113H401.aspx))
2.) Smooth Drag (http://smoothdrag.com/gear_sets.html (http://smoothdrag.com/gear_sets.html))
3.) Brian's Fishing Supply in Honolulu, HI (tel: 808-596-8344)
4.) Gregg Chow chowderpuff7@yahoo.com
5.) J. Hara Store in Honolulu, HI (tel: 808-737-7702)



Thanks,
--Alan



05/22/2013

The gear sets are here......

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05/17/2013
Hi all,

I am really sorry this 113H gear set project taking a little longer, but it is worth.  

To prepare all you guys' orders, I have complied the following order list per member. I would like to gather all necessary info to process your order when it is here next week.

Please if you all don't mind to drop me an email to sales@prochallenger.com with your preference method to pay for your order.

1.) you would like to pay via PayPal. Please provide me your PayPal account id. Please provide your mailing address in the email.
2.) you would like to pay by phone, please call me at 561-568-3980. Please provide your mailing address in the email.
3.) you would like to pay by personal check, please make the check payable to "PRO Challenger" and send to 1128 Royal Palm Beach Blvd, Suite #398, Royal Palm Beach, FL. 33411. Please include your mailing address in the email.
4.) Don't forget to include your Alan Tani website's username in the email, so I know who is who.
5.) I will reply an email with your order total amount.



03/18/2013

Uploaded few pictures of the gear set.

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"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackles old online store over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

I would like to order 2 sets.
John from California

1 set, please Wisconsin - Thanks

I would like 2 sets. please.
Tom T from CA

I'll try 2 sets Alan.

thanks for all the work on this.  i will move it to the "for sale" section pretty soon.

I'll take a set

I'm in for a set...Dan

I would like to reserve one set (jacksonville, fl)

do you have your sights on any other gear sets like 500's?

Quote from: rjones on January 23, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
I would like to reserve one set (jacksonville, fl)

do you have your sights on any other gear sets like 500's?

Hi Rob,

I did have a quick chat with Alan T about what gear set I should do next. The following is the wishlist.

1.) Accurate 665
2.) JigMaster 500
3.) PENN 114H
4.) Open suggestions (PENN 112H)

After the 113H is settled, I will start the next one.

Please note that all gear set will be made in 316 grade stainless steel.

I want to know what Alan Tani member's has in mind.

i want 2 sets (Los Angeles CA) and maybe you can add this to the list 112H. also a 3.25:1 for the 113H. thanks!

Wish list : 112H , 500                                                                                                                                                                                                   

Quote from: Jimmer on January 23, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
Wish list : 112H , 500                                                                                                                                                                                                   

Hi,

They are on the list.  :)

I'd like one set, will you mail to New Zealand?
Thanks
Peter

Quote from: p-deverett on January 23, 2013, 11:20:21 PM
I'd like one set, will you mail to New Zealand?
Thanks
Peter

Hi Peter,

No problem.
For outside USA member, the price will be $48.00 each + actually shipping by USPS First Class International in an order + $1.00 each for PayPal service fee.

Thanks,
--Alan

Another vote for the 500 then 112H

John

I'd like one set for the 113H and on the wish list I'll take a set for the 500 and a set for the 112H. Thanks Alan. By the way, the spiral wrapped rod is awesome. Can't wait to use it.

Bob.. New Jersey.

Quote from: Black Pearl Fishing Tackle on January 23, 2013, 03:36:06 PM

Quote from: rjones on January 23, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
I would like to reserve one set (jacksonville, fl)

do you have your sights on any other gear sets like 500's?

Hi Rob,

I did have a quick chat with Alan T about what gear set I should do next. The following is the wishlist.

1.) Accurate 665
2.) JigMaster 500
3.) PENN 114H
4.) Open suggestions (PENN 112H)

After the 113H is settled, I will start the next one.

Please note that all gear set will be made in 316 grade stainless steel.

I want to know what Alan Tani member's has in mind.

I'd be interested in a set for a 665 when you get around to it and a 500 too.

Quote from: Black Pearl Fishing Tackle on January 23, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
4.) Open suggestions (PENN 112H)

The 112H uses 5-500 and 13-500 gears, the same as the 500/501.

Quote from: Keta on January 24, 2013, 04:22:24 AM

Quote from: Black Pearl Fishing Tackle on January 23, 2013, 03:36:06 PM
4.) Open suggestions (PENN 112H)

The 112H uses 5-500 and 13-500 gears, the same as the 500/501.

Yep!
red 3/0 ( 5-500 & 13-500 ) black 3/0 ( 5-66 & 13-49 )
red 3/0 (112H ) is almost twice as fast as the black 3/0 ( 112 )
black 3/0 is slower but stronger than the red 3/0.

Hi,

I would like 2 sets (RI)

I would vote for 114H next and would take 2 of those as well.

Thanks!

David

i'll take (2) 113h & interest in (4) 500L

Also a set for the 114h. When they become available.

Bob. NJ

Since I have to April to put some pennies in the piggy bank  :D, I'll take 2 sets for the 113H.  I'm in Washington State.

I'll vote for 2 sets of 500 gears @5-1
1 set of 114h 6/0 3.25-1 and I have a new set of 114h Accurates for copying if needed...Dan

I'll take 1 set for the 113H (and 2 for the 500 when they are ready). Maine

     Sounds kind of hypocritical putting outsourced gears in vintage reels. Why can't someone step up and make them here?
Just saying, Brendan.

Quote from: Brendan on January 25, 2013, 04:37:50 AM
     Sounds kind of hypocritical putting outsourced gears in vintage reels. Why can't someone step up and make them here?
Just saying, Brendan.

Actually, some member did try to find to have them make here in the USA. The price is just out of reach. If you can find a USA company will make this gear set (main and pinion) in 316 grade stainless steel for less than $40.00, please let us know.

By the way, my source is using 316 grade stainless steel stock material from the USA, using a Japanese cutting machine to cut those gears, and having Taiwanese personals operating the machine.

When the product is done, it will be shipped to the USA by FedEx (USA company). I will also have to pay import duties and other fees. Just saying......

     Not knocking the product, and not trying to offend. I understand people have priced this project to try to get them made. At least you got it off the ground.  Brendan.

First come first served.  I could probably match this price or close but I'd be doing the assembly work at a loss.

Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2013, 07:04:58 PM
First come first served.  I could probably match this price or close but I'd be doing the assembly work at a loss.

Lee,

Would you take care of these members' order for me then? Therefore, they don't have to wait. Guys, please contact Lee for your order.

I'm way behind you, go for it.  I'm trying to fund some taps for drag stars right now, working with Bryan on Daiwa drag washers, some other things that might be interesting and gears have been put way back on my list.  So far I've only has stock Penn gears to work with and have a rough price.

Do not need 113H gears at this time.

My wish list:
Next - 114H
to follow - 500, both 5:1 and 4:1.  4:1 is a very useful ratio for these reels and some strong, corrosion resistant SS gears would be nice.  Newell used to make them.

Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2013, 08:03:13 PM
I'm way behind you, go for it.  I'm trying to fund some taps for drag stars right now, working with Bryan on Daiwa drag washers, some other things that might be interesting and gears have been put way back on my list.  So far I've only has stock Penn gears to work with and have a rough price.

Ok, Lee. I will keep working on this.

As a total amateur that was thinking, "how hard can it be to get gears made", let me tell you that  it's a real pain.  A while ago I figured how hard can it be, I live in the Seattle Area, there's tons of small machine shops that make parts for Boeing.  Trust me there is a lot of stuff that goes into it.  This type of gear has one company make the blank and another cut the teeth, and they need you to tell them exact specs, and they have a minimum quantity and a set up fee, etc.  Bottom line, if somebody has managed to get all the pieces of the puzzle put together and it's not going to break the bank, I would like to extend a huge thankyou for your efforts..

Quote from: seaeagle2 on January 26, 2013, 03:39:11 PM
As a total amateur that was thinking, "how hard can it be to get gears made", let me tell you that  it's a real pain.  A while ago I figured how hard can it be, I live in the Seattle Area, there's tons of small machine shops that make parts for Boeing.  Trust me there is a lot of stuff that goes into it.  This type of gear has one company make the blank and another cut the teeth, and they need you to tell them exact specs, and they have a minimum quantity and a set up fee, etc.  Bottom line, if somebody has managed to get all the pieces of the puzzle put together and it's not going to break the bank, I would like to extend a huge thankyou for your efforts..

Yup, I have a shop in Portland that will supply the finished rough parts but even the clean up and pressing the hob on the pinion take time, there is also a high minimum order.   Black Pearl has done us a big favor making these available.

Good Day Gentlemen,
I would like to preorder:
3 sets of the 4:1 stainless steel gears for the Penn 113H
Sky King Joe
Pompano Beach Florida
Please advise when available
Thank you,
Joe

Please put me down for two sets of the 113 gears.  Thank you.

One for me.
Napa, CA

One set of 113H and interested n the 500 as well.

Thanks

please put me down for 2 sets (113h), located on Oahu, Hawaii thanks!

Just realized I never got on board. I'll take some.
Sal

Interested but what are the advantages of this Gear Set verses the factory. I recently picked up a Penn/Accurate 113H that might be a "Transplant Candidate" : )

Bula Alan,

Please put me down for a 113H set as well.
I'm in Fiji but I have a US address to send to when they're ready.
Vinaka!
Erik

p.s.- 500/501/112H would be on my wish list too!  1 each

Quote from: GalvestonGuy on February 05, 2013, 02:33:31 AM
Interested but what are the advantages of this Gear Set verses the factory. I recently picked up a Penn/Accurate 113H that might be a "Transplant Candidate" : )

The advantages are the following:

1.) The main gear is in 316 graded stainless steel while the factory is using bronze (brass) material.
2.) Both pinion and main gears are helical cut. It is quieter with a straight cut gears.

Quote from: Black Pearl Fishing Tackle on February 05, 2013, 05:14:35 AM

Quote from: GalvestonGuy on February 05, 2013, 02:33:31 AM
Interested but what are the advantages of this Gear Set verses the factory. I recently picked up a Penn/Accurate 113H that might be a "Transplant Candidate" : )

The advantages are the following:

1.) The main gear is in 316 graded stainless steel while the factory is using bronze (brass) material.
2.) Both pinion and main gears are helical cut. It is quieter with a straight cut gears.

You forgot the stock factory gear ratio is 3.25 to 1, these are 4 to 1 so you get faster retrieve. ;D

I will take two sets for the 113h.
Kawaihae, Hawaii

Would also like two sets for the 114h when they become available.
Thank you,
Melvin

one set for me 113h, thanks.

I'd like two sets please.

Sydney, Australia.

Please let me know how much and how to get you your dollars?

Regards,

Dave.

Quote from: Taily on February 07, 2013, 04:37:14 AM
I'd like two sets please.

Sydney, Australia.

Please let me know how much and how to get you your dollars?

Regards,

Dave.

Hi Dave,

Don't worry, I will let you know the total payment when they are ready to be shipped out.

Thanks,
--Alan

I will take 2 sets for the 113H .
Saint Cloud , Fl.
Thanks you
Larry

Hi guys,

Just a quick update on this project.

1.) After few sets of testing, everything is coming together, and everything is good to go.
2.) The first batch of this SS316 113H gear set (18 sets) will be here next week 03/20/2013.
3.) I will let Sal checks it out first before sending the rest of the 16 sets to other member (in ordered sequence).
4.) This SS316 gear feels much smoother and stronger during testing between the SS304 gear set, which sells on Ebay. I will let Sal makes that judgement.

I will take some pictures and post them here.

Sal, please send me your email address, so I can send you an invoice via PayPal. You can also send me a personal check if you want.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to get these goodies for us. I would like 5 sets (113H).  Please let me know when and where to send payment.  Mahalo,
Loren
Honolulu, Hawaii

2 G,s like to have a set.

Uploaded few pictures of the gear set in the first posting.

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64557-photo1.jpg)

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Black Pearl... Very nice looking..

can't wait to get it

Quote from: rjones on March 18, 2013, 09:34:45 PM
can't wait to get it

It seems that you will make it to receive a set in the first batch. Of course, we will still have to wait until Sal tests it out before I can ship out the remaining 16 sets on the list.

Each person will get one set from the first batch. If a person reserved 2 or sets, he will receive the rest in the main production ran batch on June or July.

Can't wait! It looks like I'm at the top of the list.  I hope Sal puts this on his #1 Priority List.

Rowdy, don't base buying your gears on my test. Alan simply asked if I would look them over and out of respect for him, I be more than happy to do so.
Let's keep in mind that I'm not a Metal Engineer. I will install the gears in a reel and give it what I believe to be a good work out.
I will also be doing some comparisons with my other gears and that's about it.
I hope it will be of some help to all.
Sal

Sal, bring your reels over to Calfornia.  You can tie off to my bumper and I'll take off and stop 50 yards, 100 yards, and 150 yards, and you can reel me back in each time. ;D

Just looked at the photos and I'll have to say NICE WORKMANSHIP!

Quote from: Keta on March 19, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Just looked at the photos and I'll have to say NICE WORKMANSHIP!

X2

Latest updated:

Guys,

I know some people are not happy with the gear set they have bought from Ebay seller. Therefore, I have been thinking that if you bought a set or more sets from the Ebay seller before 03/20/2013, and you returned and received your refund. I will sell you this 316 SUS set for $44.00. If you have bought 2 sets, you can purchase 2 sets from me for $44.00. Of course, you have to show me the refund email from PayPal for that transaction.

Please note the price does not apply for the first 17 set batch.

I hope this will make you guys little happier.

Thanks,
--Alan

Alan:  I know I am running a little late and do not know how many sets you will be receiving, but put me down for 2 sets.  Dominick

I thought I was on the list!!
Please put me down for one set.

Waianai, Hi
Ron

Latest Info Updated

The following members please check your PM. I have sent you a PM regarding your gear set. If your name is strike across, the gear set has been shipped.

• RowdyW
• elnath
• broadway
• Alto Mare
• Cone
• John2244
• Jimmer
• TomD
• DayOne
• Suitekids
• rjones
• Mel B
• p-deverett
• BMITCH
• wolvie
• thinket
• seaeagle2

Sorry Alan,
No message in my inbox.

Ron

Quote from: noyb72 on March 22, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
Sorry Alan,
No message in my inbox.

Ron

Hi Ron,

I only had 17 sets of this 113H gear set. I went by the first 17 members on this thread to receive 1 set per member.

The main production product will be here on middle of June.

Don't worry, you will have your set.

Thanks,
--Alan

Wow,

Their are TWO Rjones' on this board?

I feel stupid.
Ron

Here we go. Few member received this gear set. Let's see what their opinions on this gear set.

I got my set today, they look like a piece of artwork.. Since we're in the midst of a minor remodel on one bathroom so we can use it during the major remodel of the main bathroom, I probably won't get them into a reel for a while but they look great....

I recieved my set today. They look top notch. I will put them in the reel I took the ebay gears out of. I've cleaned the bits of plating out of the internals and i will try to post pics when i assemble them. The fit and mesh of the pinion and main gear looks like it will be very good. Thanks Alan for making these available. Without installing these it looks like you've got a winner. ;D   Bob

Got mine today. Look great. Will be awhile before I can test them

Alan,I just received the gears today, thank you!
I must say, I'm impressed.
I took a close look and they are very similar to the Accurate gears. Your contact must have used a set of Accurate as a template.
I have not installed them in my reel yet, but  I don't anticipate any issues.
You did good, these are actually better that Accurate. I will post a couple of pictures to show how nice the pinion and main gear mesh.
Alan, I truly appreciate all of the hard work that you did to bring us a quality product at a competitive price. Thank you!
here is a shot of the Newell gears
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/032.jpg)
here is a shot of the Accurate
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/033.jpg)
and a shot of the Black Pearl's gears
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/035.jpg)
Notice how tight the fit is with these.
The fit on the spool shaft is perfect
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/027.jpg)
I'm not an expert on steel, but I did hit them with a center punch. I'm not sure you could see it but the new gears have a less mark than the Accurate, the new gears are on top. Lesser mark= stronger material.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/021.jpg)
They're very close in weight also, these are the Accurate
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/017.jpg)
and the... lets call them the BP gears ;D
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/gears/018.jpg)
All other dimentions are spot on with the Accurate gears.
Sal

Wow, it really makes me happy to see you PENN guys buying gears that are made in Taiwan. So, not all of those hot rods and tanks are pure USA made.
You know they make some fine reels in Taiwan too.

I'm kind of late to the party but could you put me down for a set.

Thanks

Quote from: ShoreKasterHI on March 27, 2013, 03:28:44 AM
I'm kind of late to the party but could you put me down for a set.

Thanks

Actually, you are not late at all. The main production gears set will be here around June.

I picked up the package from my brother and saw a beautiful gear set in there.  Nicely done, and I look forward to installing and testing them out asap!
Now I Just need the boat to get fixed up so I can try it out on some "ladies in the striped pajamas" (female, cow bass);)
Looking good Alan!
Let me know when batch two (and the 112h and 114h) is ready,
Thanks for your contribution,
Dom

Quote from: broadway on March 27, 2013, 04:17:47 AM
I picked up the package from my brother and saw a beautiful gear set in there.  Nicely done, and I look forward to installing and testing them out asap!
Now I Just need the boat to get fixed up so I can try it out on some "ladies in the striped pajamas" (female, cow bass);)
Looking good Alan!
Let me know when batch two (and the 112h and 114h) is ready,
Thanks for your contribution,
Dom

Hi Dom,

You need to put your name on that 114H gear set list.

Thanks,
--Alan

I installed the gears tonight. I didn't take any pics. Sal's pics were better than mine would have been.  ;) The gears are very smooth and quiet for a SS gear set. It shifts into and out of freespool effortlessly even before the sideplate was installed on the reel. Alan, whoever made them did an outstanding job. I can't wait to put them to the test. Bob

Hi guys,

Thank you for all yours feed back so far. Therefore, the main production of the 113H gear set will start next week.

By the way, I can't brand these gear sets (500/112H, 113H and 114H) as Black Pearl because "Black Pearl" has been trade marked. However, since I own (trade marked) PRO Challenger, these gears will be sold under "PRO Challenger". 

Newbie question. On a 113 4/0 Wide what would be the Inches per turn with a 4-1? I cant even find out  what it would be with a 3.25-1?  I would like to get a set or two for my 4/0's. Thanks

Welcome R46Chevy.  It depends on how far you fill your reel and how much line is out when you reel.  :D Throw a tape measure around the line on the spool and multiply by 4 or 3.25.  ;) Bob

R46Chev,

There is a mathematical equation to determine the inches of retrieve per turn of a handle. PI (3.14) times the dimaeter of the spool times the gear ratio of the reel.  An example would be: Spool diameter (2.5") x gear ratio (3.25) x PI (3.14) = 25.5 inches per turn of the handle.  This is assuming you have a full spool of line.


John

PS.  Bob and were replying at the same time.  As Bob stated it depends on how much line you have on your spool at a given time.  You are going to retrieve less line per turn of the handle with a half empty spool vs a near full spool of line.

Thanks, I know about the half vs full part but did not know about the formula. Thank you

Gear ratio, yes. Line retrieve per crank, worthless.
It is never accurate, just a tool to sell you reels. :-\.
Here is an easy trick to determine the amount of line on lets say a spool of 3" diameter with a 3:1 ratio.
Place the spool on one end of your work bench and put a dot on the edge of the spool and bench.
Roll the spool three times on the bench and stop where the dot is facing the bench. Now add another dot, remove the spool and measure the distance between the two dots.
Still worthless thought, but it helps us compare reels ;D

Quote from: broadway on March 27, 2013, 04:17:47 AM
I picked up the package from my brother and saw a beautiful gear set in there.  Nicely done, and I look forward to installing and testing them out asap!
Now I Just need the boat to get fixed up so I can try it out on some "ladies in the striped pajamas" (female, cow bass);)
Looking good Alan!
Let me know when batch two (and the 112h and 114h) is ready,
Thanks for your contribution,
Dom

Hey Dom,

I am glad that these gears come out pretty nice and meet your standard. What are you going to with the 304 gears?

Alan,
    What I'm gonna do with the 304 gears is drop them in saltwater and see how many minutes they take to deteriorate.
I should have known better than to buy that crap!
Do you need them for a how-not-to tutorial?
Dom

Quote from: broadway on March 27, 2013, 05:56:30 PM
Alan,
    What I'm gonna do with the 304 gears is drop them in saltwater and see how many minutes they take to deteriorate.
I should have known better than to buy that crap!
Do you need them for a how-not-to tutorial?
Dom

You still can use the Main gear part, or you can send it to Sal for some testing..

By the way, did you get my PM?

Thanks,
--Alan

Alan, got the gears in today. In a word  " BEAUTIFUL ". Hope to get the time in the next couple of weeks to get them installed. Thanks again for doing all the work.

Bob

I hope the jigmaster gears turn out the same. If so I'll be ordering more than one set.

Quote from: BMITCH on March 27, 2013, 08:51:02 PM
I hope the jigmaster gears turn out the same. If so I'll be ordering more than one set.

Don't worry. You know I only use the top quality material. 

hi alan,

installed the 113h gears. ...smooth as butter!! feel & sound sleek.  well done.

thanks,
ralph

Quote from: thinket on March 27, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
hi alan,

installed the 113h gears. ...smooth as butter!! feel & sound sleek.  well done.

thanks,
ralph

Hi Ralph,

You are fast!.... Have fun!

Thanks,
--Alan

Hi Alan,

Can you put me down for 1 set.
Thanks!
David, San Diego

Alan, I'd like another set. Bob

Hey Alan, could you please put me down for 1 set.

The pre-order price $48.00 will be valid until 05/01/2013. The 113H main production gears set will be finished on 05/07/2013. So, I maybe able to ship out this gear set by middle of May. There are a lot of people have dropped me an email stating that they can not wait to have their hand on this gear set. Now, those 17 members who received their order recently must feel very lucky!!!!  ;)

Hi Alan,
Could you put me down for a set of these too? (I just asked for a set of 114h's a bit ago)
Thanks

Where do I send the money?

Quote from: R46chevy on April 01, 2013, 06:06:06 PM
Where do I send the money?

Hi there,

No payment is required until the product is ready to ship. I don't like to hold on other people's money while I don't have the product on hand.

The 113H gear set will be ready to ship out by end of May, and I will send you a PM. Don't worry!!!

Thanks,
--Alan

I was finally able to install the new gears.
The tolerance is very tight on these, They feel smoother than accurate and Newell.
I also did a little stress test, I'm not sure you coiuld see it, but here is a shot of the stock stand
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/002-17.jpg)
it got bent all out of shape.
The gears performed nicely, I did remove them to take a closer look and everything looks good
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/004-17.jpg)
I'm very happy with these gears.
Thanks again Alan.
Sal

I interested in one set Mario from Puerto Rico

Sal, they need you to test transmissions in cars. Then for sure we would know if they work under load or not. Your T&E are top notch. Thanks for doing all that.

Bob

Sal, what # test did it take to bend the stand?

Put me down for 3 more sets of the 113h... and yes I feel lucky ;)
put me down for 4 sets of the 112h
put me down for 4 sets of the 114h
Thanks for a nice product,
Dom

Quote from: RowdyW on April 03, 2013, 01:18:35 AM
Sal, what # test did it take to bend the stand?

Rudy, I used a 130# class rod  and 130# line.
Rod was set in my contraption that I made by the three house, I believe I showed a picture of it earlier.
The rolling weight was set at 75to 80lb, I wasn't able to turn the handle with one hand when the star was tight all the way, had to use both.
The scale on the line marked 22lb. This test was done by turning the handle, not lifting the rod.
Last week I did the same test with  the gears that I customized with the 6 cutouts, I was able to use one hand and the scale marked 28lb.Also, the reel was fine. :-\ .
Gears where both fine.

Sal, it seems that the Penn frames & stands might be the weakest link in the chain. Thats why long ago I always liked to beef up my Senators with solid frames from Tib. & Acc. The Long Beach reels and a few others are always twisting the frames & stands. Penn reels are strong but I have always felt that the frames are the weakest part of the entire reels. I bought a L B 65 a few months ago that was spooled with 80# mono :o & you should see what the stand looks like. The insides were fine. I think that when beefing up these reels we should start on the outside & work our way in. ;)    Rudy

I agree, the stamped stand especially is just not super strong. I've bent them back to shape with my hand on the corner of a desk. I haven't heard of a Newell base and bars twisting, but certainly the Tib frame is the strongest solution. The only issue is that you get really deep into the money real quick. I love old Penn reels, but sometimes you have to ask yourself where the line is.

Ron

Rudy, 80# on a LB is crazy. I'm not surprised by the stand, I've seen my share. Most reels that I fish with have the full frames. I've seen many on the 113HLW, but haven't seen them on the smaller reels. The reel that I used is not pretty, you didn't think I was going to use one of my babies? ;D but held up just fine. What surprised me was that I could pull that same weight with less effort, by using the gears with the six ears.
Sal

Quote from: broadway on April 03, 2013, 01:53:48 AM
Put me down for 3 more sets of the 113h... and yes I feel lucky ;)
put me down for 4 sets of the 112h
put me down for 4 sets of the 114h
Thanks for a nice product,
Dom

Dom,

You are feeling lucky........

Put me down for one set!

Shipping to Sweden

/Karl

One set, please.

I need a set for my ProGear 545 the 113H gear fits so a 4:1 ratio would be fine.

I would like 2 sets please.

Quote from: Sky King Joe on January 27, 2013, 01:13:07 PM
Good Day Gentlemen,
I would like to preorder:
3 sets of the 4:1 stainless steel gears for the Penn 113H
Sky King Joe
Pompano Beach Florida
Please advise when available
Thank you,
Joe
Hello Gentlemen,
Just checking to see if you have the above on the per order list.
If not please add 3 sets for me.
Thanks to Alan, Alto Mare, and the other fine gentlemen who contributed can't wait to see these "old school" reels perform to their potential and beyond with the double AR dogs, stainless steel gear sleeves, and Accurate Frames.
Thank you
Sky King Joe

Quote from: Sky King Joe on January 27, 2013, 01:13:07 PM
Good Day Gentlemen,
I would like to preorder:
3 sets of the 4:1 stainless steel gears for the Penn 113H
Sky King Joe
Pompano Beach Florida
Please advise when available
Thank you,
Joe
Hello Gentlemen,
Just checking to see if you have the above on the per order list.
If not please add 3 sets for me.
Thanks to Alan, Alto Mare, and the other fine gentlemen who contributed can't wait to see these "old school" reels perform to their potential and beyond with the double AR dogs, stainless steel gear sleeves, and Accurate Frames.
Thank you
Sky King Joe

Hi there,

I have your order on the list. This 113H gear set should be ready to ship out by middle of next month.

Thanks,
--Alan

I would like one set

I want a set

Attention, today is the last day for the price of $48.00 on this 113H gear set. Starting tomorrow, it will be $55.00.

I would like to order 1 set. Thank you..

Ca., USA.

I would like to get 4 sets please. 113H for Pro Gear Reels

I would like to purchase a set of these gears.

Hi, I'd like to purchase two sets. Thank you

I'll take two sets, Honolulu Hawaii

Hi all,

Here is an updated on this 113H gear set progress.

All pinion gears are done and checked. My resource is working on the main gears. All main gears should be done and Q.C. by next Monday. All gear sets should be here (US) by the end of next week. Then, it will take few days for packaging,

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me by phone or PM.

Thanks,
--Alan

Any updates Alan?

I know a few extra days isn't going to kill me but it has been over three years now since I first posed the question....  ;)

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=681.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=681.0)

And was on the Keta/broadway/Makule bandwagon from the beginning for (originally) ten sets but that seems to have been lost in the wash and the rush at the beginning of this thread....

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3334.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3334.0)

Any news?

Dave.

Quote from: Taily on May 16, 2013, 09:23:54 PM
Any updates Alan?

I know a few extra days isn't going to kill me but it has been over three years now since I first posed the question....  ;)

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=681.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=681.0)

And was on the Keta/broadway/Makule bandwagon from the beginning for (originally) ten sets but that seems to have been lost in the wash and the rush at the beginning of this thread....

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3334.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3334.0)

Any news?

Dave.

Here is the latest. All 113H gear sets will be shipped out tomorrow from Taiwan to FL. It should be here by next week Tuesday or Wednesday. Then, it will be ready for shipping to all you guys who have been waiting for it.

pm sent

e-mail sent...

Alan,

Brian F is from Hawaii. I'll send him the information regarding the gears.

I grew up with is brother.

Quote from: Bryan Young on May 17, 2013, 07:27:08 PM
Alan,

Brian F is from Hawaii. I'll send him the information regarding the gears.

I grew up with is brother.

Do you still need your 2 sets?

Um, yeah...I may need more later after I try them out.  Peeps are waiting for my review.

Quote from: Bryan Young on May 17, 2013, 08:20:27 PM
Um, yeah...I may need more later after I try them out.  Peeps are waiting for my review.

I already tested those. And I thought you had more trust in me ::) ;D

I have trust in you, but my peeps don't know you... 

Email sent. ;)

Hi all,

I am really sorry this 113H gear set project taking a little longer, but it is worth.  

To prepare all you guys' orders, I have complied the following order list per member. I would like to gather all necessary info to process your order when it is here next week.

Please if you all don't mind to drop me an email to sales@prochallenger.com with your preference method to pay for your order.

1.) you would like to pay via PayPal. Please provide me your PayPal account id. Please provide your mailing address in the email.
2.) you would like to pay by phone, please call me at 561-568-3980. Please provide your mailing address in the email.
3.) you would like to pay by personal check, please make the check payable to "PRO Challenger" and send to 1128 Royal Palm Beach Blvd, Suite #398, Royal Palm Beach, FL. 33411. Please include your mailing address in the email.
4.) Don't forget to include your Alan Tani website's username in the email, so I know who is who.
5.) I will reply an email with your order total amount.

Here is the list of the members who has placed an order. When I receive your reply email, I will cross out your username.

broadway (NY) : 2 SETS
Joel.B: 1 SETS
john2244 (CA): 1 SET
TomT (CA): 1 SET
Bryan Young (CA): 2 SETS
Mel B (CA): 1 SET
wolvie (RI): 2 SET ***
thinket (??): 1 SET
seaeagle2 (WA): 1 SET
dogtagger (ME): 1 SET
Sky King Joe (FL): 3 SETS
Makule (HI): 2 SETS
Sea Shift (CA): 1 SET
wascallywabit (??): 1 SET
pullrachet (HI): 2 SETS
Alto Mare (PA): 3 SETS
erikpowell (Fuji): 1 SET
melkapule (HI): 2 SETS
kcc225 (??): 1 SET
Taily (AU): 2 SETS
Jaanman (FL): 2 SETS
bonez808 (HI): 5 SETS
2 G,s (FL): 1 SET
Pescachaser (CA): 2 SETS
noyb72 (HI): 1 SET
ShoreKasterHI (HI): 1 SET
LuckyFish (CA): 1 SET
Cone (FL): 1 SET
rianS (??): 1 SET
borchcl (??): 1 SET
mario1966 (PR): 1 SET
Mandelstam (Swedan): 1 SET
Norcal Pescador (CA): 1 SET
lasparky11 (CA): 1 SET
bigreddog (??): 2 SETS
out18 (??): 1 SET
Lazaro85 (??): 1 SET
doradoben (CA): 1 SET

The following orders were placed on or after 05/01.
handi2 (??): 4 SETS
FirePro911 (??): 1 SET
Brian F. (??): 2 SETS
franky (HI): 2 SETS

Thanks,
--Alan

Email sent...Can't wait  ;D

message sent

E-mail sent....thanks

email sent. thank you..

sent email:)

email sent !

Well guys, "THEY ARE HERE"!!!!!!

Check them out.

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture65822-dsc06850.jpg)

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture65823-dsc06851.jpg)

Are you coming out with a 9/0 gear set as well?

AWESOME!!

I received Paypal invoice and paid

GIMME GEARS NOW PLEASE!!!

I am going to go camp out at my mailbox until they get here

If you received and paid for your PayPal invoice, you order will be going out right now. You should receive a tracking number from PayPal.

Let me know if you have any questions.

I am processing the orders as fast as I can.

Thanks,
--Alan

How far down on the list am I? I know a ways

R46chevy

Quote from: R46chevy on May 22, 2013, 08:04:56 PM
How far down on the list am I? I know a ways

R46chevy

Hi, can you send me your PayPal email address to sales@prochallenger.com? Please also state how many set you will need.

Thanks,
--Alan

Paid in Full.... :)

Waiting by the mailbox... ;D

Recieved the paypal request and made the payment.

Thanks again Alan for the trouble you've gone to with these!

Regards,

Dave.

I was just thinking, "I haven't gotten an invoice yet" so I went to check my email one more time and there it was!

Hi guys,


Some members already received their gear set. If anyone has any suggestions or opinions, please post it here.

Thank you for everything to all you guys....

Thanks,
--Alan

AWESOME GEARS!!!!
Thanks Alan.
Sal

Oh my, oh my... My first tank is waiting for its nice new shiny gears... :) Can't wait!

I received my gears today. Thanks for the great service and quality product.  Bob

I am holding my gears now. WOW!!  These things look amazing!! 

Gears are very, very nice...SSSSSWWWWWEEEEEEETTTTT  Thanks

Quote from: franky on May 22, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
Paid in Full.... :)

Waiting by the mailbox... ;D

X2  ;D

Received my gears in the mail today. Looks very good! Now i just got to install them. Thanks

I just installed a set in a broadbill 113HLW....Nice....Extremely Smooth....Shiny Too  :)

Quote from: franky on May 29, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
I just installed a set in a broadbill 113HLW....Nice....Extremely Smooth....Shiny Too  :)

316 SUS gives that kind of shine.

Yeah, these were so nice and shiny I put them on a chain and hung them around my neck  ;D

Thanks Alan.

Hey guys, did you notice the gear sets available on eBay?

Quote from: Bryan Young on May 29, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
Thanks Alan.

Hey guys, did you notice the gear sets available on eBay?

Of course...... I put some there.

Sure did, Bryan! ...I'm tracking who sells more ;)
Dom

I am tempted by the kit with drags and yoke

if there was a kit that had stainless sleeve, dog, drags, gears and yoke- for about $95.....boy that would sell

would be like a Edelbrock top-end kit for GM 350......carb, cam,  intake, heads....

Joel, that would just make it tooooo easy for everyone. All kidding aside that would be a turn key kit. Team it up with a Tib frame with a color choice and that would be awesome.
Bob

Quote from: Black Pearl on May 29, 2013, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Bryan Young on May 29, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
Thanks Alan.

Hey guys, did you notice the gear sets available on eBay?

Of course...... I put some there.

You are funny.  It wasn't for you.  It was for those who got on the wagon a little late so that they can find a set for themselves.

Quote from: Bryan Young on May 30, 2013, 02:51:20 PM

Quote from: Black Pearl on May 29, 2013, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Bryan Young on May 29, 2013, 02:55:12 PM
Thanks Alan.

Hey guys, did you notice the gear sets available on eBay?

Of course...... I put some there.

You are funny.  It wasn't for you.  It was for those who got on the wagon a little late so that they can find a set for themselves.

I know. They still can buy it from here for $55.00 vs $59.99 on Ebay.

By the way, you should receive your sets by now. Any opinions from you?????

Got them but have a bunch of reels that need to be done by next week. Then, hopefully I can play a little.

I installed mine last night on a YTS "TANK"

WOW!!!!!

Super smooooooth, super quiet, can't wait to tie into something mean and heavy down in Baja

WHoever made these really takes pride in their work,  so far these appear to be the best aftermarket 4:1 gear ever made.

Nicely done Alan, nicely done.  I hope you are proud of what you've done for us- you really should be.

Thank you very much.  Please thank your machinist as well.

They arrived here today Alan, thank you again for your efforts - they really look the goods!

Regards,

Dave.

I've got mine sitting and waiting for my marlin special kit.

Ron

Anyone now can also order or purchase (in person) this gear set at following dealers:

1.) Scott's Bait & Tackle
2.) Smooth Drag
3.) Brian's Fishing Supply in Hawaii
4.) Gregg Chow chowderpuff7@yahoo.com

Charkbait (Mark) decided not to carry this gear set. He might change his mind later. 

Where is Brian's fishing supply?
Ron

Ron,

Brian's is a few doors down from Makiki Zippy's on King Street.

THAT's why I haven't found them. I have little time for anything East of the Mississippi and even LESS time for most things East of Pearl. I am rapidly adopting the saying.
"You can take the boy out of Farrington, but you can't take the Farrington out of the boy!"

Ron

I talked to Dawn (via email) the new gear sets (500) that she has, had to sent back to the machine shop. Something to do with the center hole. She also said that it might not fit the 5 stack drag. Just thought I give you an update. Still want the set your going to make.
Gene

Quote from: lasparky11 on June 21, 2013, 06:21:43 AM
I talked to Dawn (via email) the new gear sets (500) that she has, had to sent back to the machine shop. Something to do with the center hole. She also said that it might not fit the 5 stack drag. Just thought I give you an update. Still want the set your going to make.
Gene

Hi Gene,

I don't think that gear set will work in JM 500 at all regardless the center hole fits or not. I think it will fit the JM 505 only after it is fixed by the Smooth drag's supplier.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned before...

Can this gear set be installed in the china made penn 113 HLW?

Quote from: franky on June 28, 2013, 12:01:34 AM
I'm not sure if it was mentioned before...

Can this gear set be installed in the china made penn 113 HLW?

It should work with the PENN 113H2LW (China made). I just check Scott bait & tackle site.

I'm excited; this means I'm that much closer to my 112H gears!

Had a chance to try these on the water over the weekend.  So far, they seem good enough to stay in the reels.  Nothing big to pull in, but very smooth and the upgraded drag presented enough resistance to keep me happy.  The next question for me will be whether these stand the test of time of long-term abuse and neglect.

Will this gear set work for a 113h2? If so, I will be contacting you seconds after your reply.

Quote from: stradly1 on August 26, 2013, 07:43:26 PM
Will this gear set work for a 113h2? If so, I will be contacting you seconds after your reply.

That will fit the 113H2 (China) model as well.

Thanks,
Alan

entering freespool is quite rough with my stainless gearset and i was wondering if anyone else was having the same prob. my set came from Dawn at smoothdrag about 6 weeks ago.

my setup:

- 113H with Tiburon P40 Frame
- stainless gear sleeve
- stainless dog
- stainless pinion yoke (sanded and buffed where it contacts the jack)
- heavy (non-aluminum) spool
- the rest is stock but the eccentric lever, jack and spring were replaced a couple months ago

switching to freespool is smooth with the original gearset (without swapping any other parts).

with the stainless set: there's slight resistance to enter freespool with no load, significantly more resistance with 10-16oz jigheads and it's damn near impossible with 2.5lb salmon balls on the line. i've noticed that the spool wants to move backwards a bit as the eccentric lever comes back. so helping out with the thumb enables freespool. using the thumb is no problem with 10-16oz jigs/leads but it gets awkward at 2.5lb.

or is this just expected behavior with helical gears since the teeth aren't straight?

any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

Quote from: steve chung on September 05, 2013, 12:04:03 AM
entering freespool is quite rough with my stainless gearset and i was wondering if anyone else was having the same prob. my set came from Dawn at smoothdrag about 6 weeks ago.

my setup:

- 113H with Tiburon P40 Frame
- stainless gear sleeve
- stainless dog
- stainless pinion yoke (sanded and buffed where it contacts the jack)
- heavy (non-aluminum) spool
- the rest is stock but the eccentric lever, jack and spring were replaced a couple months ago

switching to freespool is smooth with the original gearset (without swapping any other parts).

with the stainless set: there's slight resistance to enter freespool with no load, significantly more resistance with 10-16oz jigheads and it's damn near impossible with 2.5lb salmon balls on the line. i've noticed that the spool wants to move backwards a bit as the eccentric lever comes back. so helping out with the thumb enables freespool. using the thumb is no problem with 10-16oz jigs/leads but it gets awkward at 2.5lb.

or is this just expected behavior with helical gears since the teeth aren't straight?

any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

Hi Steve,

One of the member had a similar problem. The following PM is from him to me. If that works, you will have to say "Thanks" to SeaDawg.

"I took the reel apart for about the 5th time again today, change the yoke, put it back together, still hanging up. I took the handle side off the frame and looked inside hard while shifting it in and out if gear and I finally saw that the problem looked to be centered around the Eccentric Jack. I had considered this before, but I had not looked at it closely enough apparently Smiley There were little grooves cut into the tits on the Eccentric Jack where they pushed the yoke down when putting the reel in free spool. Any tension on the spool from tight line and it simply would not slide across the yoke, it would just get hung up."



Thanks,
--Alan

Quote from: Black Pearl on September 05, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
Hi Steve,

One of the member had a similar problem. The following PM is from him to me. If that works, you will have to say "Thanks" to SeaDawg.

"I took the reel apart for about the 5th time again today, change the yoke, put it back together, still hanging up. I took the handle side off the frame and looked inside hard while shifting it in and out if gear and I finally saw that the problem looked to be centered around the Eccentric Jack. I had considered this before, but I had not looked at it closely enough apparently Smiley There were little grooves cut into the tits on the Eccentric Jack where they pushed the yoke down when putting the reel in free spool. Any tension on the spool from tight line and it simply would not slide across the yoke, it would just get hung up."

Thanks,
--Alan

Hi Alan,

thanks for the super quick response. if the eccentric jack was grooved/notched i imagine the original gears would have the same issue but they do not. i took it apart again to be sure and the tits look/feel smooth. :)

(http://i.imgur.com/VS8xWBi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/B0YiPOy.jpg)

the eccentric lever also moves very freely with the sideplate off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtOyi-jXEM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtOyi-jXEM)

but with 33oz of load it just gets stuck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZjLH2TXbe8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZjLH2TXbe8)

i thought it might be getting stuck where the pinion gear meets the spool shaft so i filed the inside of the gear a little to match the wear pattern on the original pinion but it didn't help.

any other ideas? thanks again Alan.

Get the ss yoke and place it on a piece of medium grade sandpaper on a flat surface, apply a little pressure with your index and middle finger and go in a circular motion for a couple of dozen times, finish with fine sandpaper.
The yoke is just a little thicker, it doesn't take much. Make sure the side with the eased edges faces up when installing.

Quote from: Alto Mare on September 05, 2013, 02:48:20 AM
Get the ss yoke and place it on a piece of medium grade sandpaper on a flat surface, apply a little pressure with your index and middle finger and go in a circular motion for a couple of dozen times, finish with fine sandpaper.
The yoke is just a little thicker, it doesn't take much. Make sure the side with the eased edges faces up when installing.

nice. thanks for the recommendation Alto Mare. i sanded and buffed the areas on the stainless yoke where the jack makes contact a couple months ago but did not sand down the whole piece. will give that a shot tomorrow.

the original brass yoke with the stainless gearset exhibits the same behavior. i'll get both yokes on the calipers tomorrow too.

the same problem exists after taking some 80 and 150 grit to the ss yoke. the used brass yoke was 1.13mm and i sanded the ss yoke from 1.19mm to 1.14mm. hmm, it seems that i'm the only one reporting probs with this ss gearset so i'll install them in another 4/0 and see if it does the same thing. its back to the original gearset for now. thanks for trying fellas.

Quote from: steve chung on September 05, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
the same problem exists after taking some 80 and 150 grit to the ss yoke. the used brass yoke was 1.13mm and i sanded the ss yoke from 1.19mm to 1.14mm. hmm, it seems that i'm the only one reporting probs with this ss gearset so i'll install them in another 4/0 and see if it does the same thing. its back to the original gearset for now. thanks for trying fellas.

If you install on the other 4/0 reel, and it has the same result, please send the gear set toe and I will replace it with a new gear set back to you.

Quote from: steve chung on September 05, 2013, 11:46:59 PM
the same problem exists after taking some 80 and 150 grit to the ss yoke. the used brass yoke was 1.13mm and i sanded the ss yoke from 1.19mm to 1.14mm. hmm, it seems that i'm the only one reporting probs with this ss gearset so i'll install them in another 4/0 and see if it does the same thing. its back to the original gearset for now. thanks for trying fellas.

Well, looks like you're checking everything you could possibly check.  :-\
Try cleaning the inner side of the pinion gear with some stainless steel wool and also the spool shaft.
The way I clean my spool shaft is to choke one end on a drill and let the other end spin in some steel wool.
I realize that you've mentioned all is good with the original set, still try cleaning the spool shaft.
The new pinion gear might be a hair tighter on the ID and the notched area from the original.
Good luck!
Sal

That Sucks Steve!
I hope you figure it out. Alan's gear sets are the best out there right now. I didn't have any problems with my 113h. I used the stainless sleeve and yoke. I didn't even have to sand them and they worked flawlessly. I am sure it is something simple. Hang in There!

thanks again Sal, i'll give that a shot.

Shark, i hope that is the case. everyone seems to love these gears.

more results soon.

Steve, I forgot to mention that I had the same, but mine was with the 114H. I sanded the SS yoke and everything was fine afterward. I purchased a few of these gears from Black Pearl, my 113h's are working nice and smooth.
If you think about it, it could only be one of two things, the ss yoke or BP pinion.
Do as I mentioned above, If that doesn't work you will need a new set.
Sal

the BP gears worked fine in the 2nd reel. night and day difference.

after taking some more measurements it ended up that the first reel had a slightly wider spool shaft nub. i popped the ring off the BP pinion gear and filed/sanded the notch from roughly 5.77mm to 5.85mm. Sal, i also took some steel wool to the spool shaft and inner side of the pinion gear. the inner diameter was a hair tighter like you said.

success! freespool under load is no prob now. now its time to get some albacore!!

thanks for the advice Sal. your knowledge and willingness to share is appreciated.

Glad you got it figured out Steve! ;)
Sal sure has the knowledge and has helped me out when I was in a Jam more than once.
Good Job! ;D

Quote from: steve chung on September 07, 2013, 06:40:12 AM
the BP gears worked fine in the 2nd reel. night and day difference.

after taking some more measurements it ended up that the first reel had a slightly wider spool shaft nub. i popped the ring off the BP pinion gear and filed/sanded the notch from roughly 5.77mm to 5.85mm. Sal, i also took some steel wool to the spool shaft and inner side of the pinion gear. the inner diameter was a hair tighter like you said.

success! freespool under load is no prob now. now its time to get some albacore!!

thanks for the advice Sal. your knowledge and willingness to share is appreciated.

I am glad that you got the problem resolved.

To the A.T. Crew,
       I just had to let everyone know that these gears are the real deal.  I have done a lot of homework on gears and pinions, and will say these are the smoothest gears that have ever been in my 113h.
I haven't had them in my reel long enough to give you a corrosion resistance update, but I will say they do there job and do it well.  I have the Accurates and Newells in my other 3 (113H) wire lining reels that will be for sale as soon as I remove them in the fall.  Just glad I bought enough for the work horses....  I had faith in you, Alan.  Thanks for not disappointing!
I will keep you guys posted on corrosion resistance sometime next season.
All the best,
Dom
PS- I get no dough from anyone to say what I just said!

I totally Agree. I am more of a bigger Penn Senator Guy, but these gears are Crazy good! ;D

That is really exciting! I'm waiting for the 112H set, which is close to production. Any one else would be selling them as is instead of continuing to refine the design, but then they would just be another set of good aftermarket gears.

That's obviously not the standard here.

Thanks for the call Black Pearl.  I appreciate your advice and your excellent customer service!

Has anyone tried this gear set in their ProGear YTS? I'm interested in upgrading that reel with this and the upgraded drag washers.

Quote from: Squiggy on May 12, 2014, 01:47:01 AM
Has anyone tried this gear set in their ProGear YTS? I'm interested in upgrading that reel with this and the upgraded drag washers.

Works great in the Progear.  I have one set each in my 541 and 454.  I recently switched out the 4:1 BP's gear for a 3:25 steel gear in the 454  to get more torque but the 4:1 gear is beefier.

Quote from: maxpowers on May 12, 2014, 06:01:41 AM

Quote from: Squiggy on May 12, 2014, 01:47:01 AM
Has anyone tried this gear set in their ProGear YTS? I'm interested in upgrading that reel with this and the upgraded drag washers.

Works great in the Progear.  I have one set each in my 541 and 454.  I recently switched out the 4:1 BP's gear for a 3:25 steel gear in the 454  to get more torque but the 4:1 gear is beefier.

Thanks for the info!

This 113H gear set is restock.

We have changed the SS material from 316 SS to 416 SS heat treated material.

You can get it from Scott's, Smooth Drag, Brian's fishing supply, and my online store.

Any 3.25:1 sets?

Leo

Quote from: LTM on July 19, 2015, 08:10:46 PM
Any 3.25:1 sets?

Leo

Sorry. We just don't see we will produce that gear set.

I have the BP 113h 4:1 gear and pinion coming from smooth drag along with the stainless yoke, essentric jack, single stainless dog, and BP 10 tooth sleeve. Will this all go together without modification? It's going into a stock 113h with tib new style frame? I'm seeing in older posts that some sanding is needed to the yoke to get it all functioning properly?


Guidance would be much appreciated!


Thanks,



Trevor

I believe those will drop right in, no modification needed. Keep the rounded edge of the yoke facing up as you install them.

Sal

Thanks Sal!

So I finally got a set of BP gears from smooth drag for my 113h. I'm very pleased with how smooth everything went together. The gears function very well. Thanks Alan for bringing the gear set to the market. Can't wait to try out the 113x set!


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