When upgrading to Carbontex or Smooth Drags on your Newell reel you may find that when trying to maximize the drag the star will bump the side plate bearing cover. This of course limits the amount of drag force.
One way to solve the spacing issue is to simply add another 3-18 washer.
These washers come in two different thicknesses but you will not see that on any schematic. The same is try of the 3-16 washers.
If Alan does not have an extra 3-18 for you then you can get a stainless washer the same OD as the 3-18 and open the ID with a dremel. This standard SS washer will be thicker than the stock 3-18 and can be used as a replacement and save the stock 3-18 for another project.
If you do not have a dremel then use the thrust washer that was under the gear. Just trim the OD with scissors and your problems of spacing are over. You will find more drag than you need without the star bumping the side plate.
If you purchased a used reel and found that it did not have a 3-18 washer and I have found a couple with no 3-18, then use a SS washer the same OD as the water seal brass bushing or the thrust washer.
This does not happen on all Newells and I only ran into a few times in my collection. Hope this helps those that have experinced the spacing problem.
i've had a bunch of people ask for the 3-18. i am down to my last one! :-\
Quote from: alantani on January 31, 2013, 03:57:22 AM
i've had a bunch of people ask for the 3-18. i am down to my last one! :-\
Can they be cut? If so give me the ID, OD and thickness needed and I'll cut some.
i can send you the last one i have and you can take a look!
I'll draw it up and get it into the pile of parts waiting to cut.
Quote from: Keta on January 31, 2013, 04:28:58 AM
I'll draw it up and get it into the pile of parts waiting to cut.
If it is what I think I should have both sizes. I can check parts tomorrow if you like. I can mail them if you like also. Sorry I can't remember all the numbers.
If it's just a washer and no key or ear the dimentions is all I need. The next batch of parts should be cut soon so the sooner I get it the better. I can run 10 of them and mail them out to check fit.
Lee
It's a washer that fits through the whole in the side plate. The hole in the washer has flat sides that fit over the Bridge Sleeve
If you make these I would like 50 of each thickness
Like a keyed drag washer? If so having one will make it easier to get it right the first time.
Since I do not know how to post a picture I will email Alan a picture of the dimensions that I just drew up.
In the diagram that I sent to Alan I included the dimensions for the 3-16 washer that is used to hold the handle in place. Guys bend the thinner one with too much pressure when tightening the nut so the thicker one works the best.
For the drag spacing problem the 3-18 is the critical washer that most people need. I don't know how they dissappear but I see a lot of used reels with no 3-18 washer at all. I guess guys work on them without a diagram and forget where it goes.
Hope this helps everyone.
Lee if you send me a PM I will mail them to you. I'm in NY
All of the 3-18 that I have are plain steel -- 3-16 are SS
Mike
Mike
You may not have a true 3-18. Carl Newell designed corrosion resistant parts. There are washers from somewhere that will fit and they corrode. I fixed a 447 recently that had a badly corroded washer in the place of the 3-18 and the dimensions were all correct except it was quite a bit thicker than a Newell 3-18.
There is enough carbon in a 3-18 for a magnet to stick to it but it is still stainless in my tool box. The magnet sticks to the stainless 3-16s as well. All depends on the grade that came from the manufacturers and Newell probably used more than one supplier. SS is certainly better if you fish near salt water.
I sent Lee all the dimensions and he is in the process of getting some made.
Dwight
from dwight.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/8/1_31_01_13_11_33_51.jpeg)
Drawn up and at the cutter now.
Thanks Alan
Lee has some .035 SS material which should be fine for both washers. I have found many little dimension differences in several of my Newells and most of it revolves around the 3-18 and the different size stars. Some of the plastic stars are thicker than others and then we have the P stars which are also thinner. There is also the graphite and the aluminum handle difference so these washers cover a lot of problems. I have one S533 4.6 that has one unique difference. I had to use two of the 3-16s to keep the handle nut from hitting the bridge sleeve screw even after filing the top of the screw down some. It was a new reel that had never been tampered with too.
These washers will work on all of the Newells from 200 to 600 and all letter prefixes. Once you get all the drag a guy could want you can toss the 3-142 bevel washer on the outside of the handle.
I do know that Newell used about anything he had in stock to build reels. 90% of my reel come from Cal. When you sent a reel for repair if the reel was bad he would throw it in a pile & send a new one to you. This info came from people that visited the factory.
I really don't care what they are made of. Next week I will go & get Springs & Dogs. Today I found a Brass Dog in a 220F
You just touched on something else that worries me. The Dog and Spring. I am safe with my 500s since they have two dogs and springs but my other Newells only have one dog and spring.
Do you know someone that makes those things? I don't have any spares of those. I could probably create a dog with my dremel and couple hrs but no idea about making a spring.
If the dogs are similar to a Penn dog I can have them cut.
Here's some I cut, the left one was modified by jerseymic.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/113hSSgearsleeveampdogs_zps8c6f9236.jpg)
Nice work Lee, I thought I recognised your handiwork there. Innovative work too by jerseymic.
Lee
That is some pretty work but Newell dogs are much simpler. PM me your address and I can take one from one of my reels and send to you to get dimensions. Once you get those dimensions you will have it for all Newells. One size fits all.
Dwight
Dwight, done
Quote from: Irish Jigger on January 31, 2013, 11:53:59 PM
Innovative work too by jerseymic.
Yup, I thought it was excelent.