Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Black Pearl on March 21, 2013, 07:01:04 PM

Title: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Black Pearl on March 21, 2013, 07:01:04 PM
This morning I received 17 sets of the 316 SUS gear set and the Ebay gear set from my resource.

The pinion gear feels a little lighter on weight. I don't have the scale to compare it. I just sent out a set to Sal and a set to Dom. We will see what they have to say.

Here are few pictures I just took.

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64661-dsc06831.jpg)

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64662-dsc06832.jpg)

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64658-dsc06828.jpg)

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64659-dsc06829.jpg)

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64660-dsc06830.jpg)
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: alantani on March 21, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
not sure they would function differently, but there is a clear visual difference.  well done, sir!
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on March 21, 2013, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: alantani on March 21, 2013, 09:05:37 PM
not sure they would function differently, but there is a clear visual difference.  well done, sir!
x2
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: RowdyW on March 21, 2013, 11:32:02 PM
X3 , can't wait to get them.
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Black Pearl on March 21, 2013, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on March 21, 2013, 11:32:02 PM
X3 , can't wait to get them.

Hi,

I sent you a PM. Please check your PM. Your set is waiting for you right now.

Thanks,
--Alan
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Keta on March 21, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
It's hard to tell for sure from the photos and the plating but the pinion on the right appearers to be cast.

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64658-dsc06828.jpg)
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Cone on March 22, 2013, 12:44:27 AM
Alan, Your gears look much better! I look forward to getting my set and the sets for the 114h and Jigmaster. Thanks for coming through for us!   Bob
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: coonhound on March 22, 2013, 01:51:44 AM
Quote from: Keta on March 21, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
It's hard to tell for sure from the photos and the plating but the pinion on the right appearers to be cast.

(http://www.thehulltruth.com/members/thunder5l-albums-thunder5l-album-picture64658-dsc06828.jpg)

You certainly do not see any machining- that's for sure!
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: CaptKev on November 08, 2013, 05:35:36 PM
"grease on the carbon fiber drag washers if you prefer a smoother drag with less range"

I found this quote on the Ebay ad. So greasing the washers actually decreases the drag range? I'm going to buy some of these sets but was very curious about this statement. 
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Ron Jones on November 08, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
Several people have performed tests, including Tiburon engineering, that demonstrate that the addition of Teflon based drag grease to carbon fiber drag disks reduces the absolute maximum drag numbers. However, the grease dramatically increases the smoothness of the drag and, in my opinion, increases the usable range of drag for a specific instalation.

The decrease is expected when you realize that PTFE (Teflon) has a lower coeficient of drag than the woven carbon fiber used for drag disks.

Ron
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: broschro on November 08, 2013, 06:54:41 PM
once you grease your Drags with Cals,you will never go back ;)
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: borchcl on November 08, 2013, 10:51:40 PM
Alan, The Ebay gears look like they have been tumbled in a cement mixer with some concrete blocks. My set is in transit. Thanks!
Charlie
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Alto Mare on November 08, 2013, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: noyb72 on November 08, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
Several people have performed tests, including Tiburon engineering, that demonstrate that the addition of Teflon based drag grease to carbon fiber drag disks reduces the absolute maximum drag numbers. However, the grease dramatically increases the smoothness of the drag and, in my opinion, increases the usable range of drag for a specific instalation.

The decrease is expected when you realize that PTFE (Teflon) has a lower coeficient of drag than the woven carbon fiber used for drag disks.

Ron
Our boss told us about it a while back, he now has almost 100% using it here and backing him up....stick with Cal's on carbon washers ;).
You've mentioned Tiburon, I don't get as excited as I used to when I hear Tiburon. :-\
Sal
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Ron Jones on November 08, 2013, 11:29:06 PM
I don't either necessarily, they are just the only manufacturer that has published some testing concerning greased CF drags.
Ron
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on November 10, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
greasing is the way, the only way. now let me go back to the gears from ebay and black pearl. i bought the ebay one's before BP's because they were available first but i prefer BP's because of quality fit etc...btw never anybody interested in buying my ebay ones. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Comparision on 113H Gear between Ebay one and 316 SUS in pictures
Post by: Keta on February 09, 2016, 03:00:03 PM
Quote from: Potiguar on November 10, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
anybody interested in buying my ebay ones. ;D ;D ;D ;D

I have a pile of SS scrap I need to take in, send them to me and I'll split what I get for them with you..... ;)