Ok, I finished upgrading all my Abu Garcias.
I re-geared two 6600 C4 Azur Blues from 6:3:1 to 5:3:1, worm gear with dual bearings, ABEC5 ceramic bearings, Smoooth Drag Carbontex washers and polished everything inside and out. These two are for the Wife and I.
I added Ceramic Bearings, worm gears with dual bearings, Carbontex washers and polished everything inside and out on a 6000 and 6500 C3. About to finish up on a 7000 C3i and a 7000 early '80's model.
So today a buddy gave me this setup that has been laying around his shop. I have been readings a lot of threads the last few hours learning about it and what I can do to it. I have it all broken down, ready to clean, polish and upgrade.
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It came on this rod.
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Is there any way to date these reels?
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Noticed the dog does not have a spring with it.
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Someone at one point had added Carbontex washers to it.
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From what I have read on here, I need to order the SS Gear Sleeve, SS Dogs w/Springs, SS Gears at 4:1, and New Carbontex washers. Thought about a new housing and handle, but I like the stock look of it.
Tomorrow I will clean everything and start polishing it all, getting it ready for the new parts. This setup will be for the bigger shark we go after as well as offshore.
another photo of the month! can't wait to see the "after" shots.
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This reel dates back to the early 80s I believe because that is when I purchased one.
Yeah, you are missing a few parts. HT-100s have been around for over 20 years, so that reel could have come with those drag washers. Mine didn't have them though.
Ok, now that parts on rolling in for this project, I have decided to go with an aluminum frame for it.
SS Dogs are in for the double dog setup from Lee. (Payment headed your way, Thanks!)
From Smoooth Drag, the Carbontex washers, Ceramic ABEC5 Bearings, Standard T-Bar Handle w/blank (Black Aluminum), and she is now sending the SS Yoke that was overlooked.
From eReplacementParts, Dog Springs, Penn Ringed Rod Clamp, Penn Clamp Screw kit and Penn Rod Clamp (in case I don't like the ringed one.)
Standing by for the Black Pearl Gears.
Also it seems I just realized I overlooked the SS Gear Sleeve, so if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great.
Has it been figured out yet if a bearing could be used with the Gear Sleeve to replace the two bushings on the side plate? Of if it is even worth it?
Now is the Tiburon and ACCU frames my only options?
Thanks!
Alan can send you a s/s sleeve & Jvariance can supply frames & side plates. He can be located on ebay. The bearings in the side plates are ball bearings. Rudy
actually, before dumping alot of money into this reel, i would just clean it up and fish with it as is for a while. i think you will find that it fishes just fine.
Quote from: alantani on May 11, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
actually, before dumping alot of money into this reel, i would just clean it up and fish with it as is for a while. i think you will find that it fishes just fine.
True! the only thing that I want to point out is that if you fish that reel hard, your stand might not hold up. The stand is weak on the wide models, I purchased 4 wide reels like yours from a guy a year ago at a very good price, all had bent stands
My suggestion to you is to go for it! Double dog that baby and everything else, you only live once ;)
Sal
Rudy, I take it that you've purchased some plates from Jeff (JVariance). Let me know if you're able to pull the right side bearing for service.
Thanks! Sal
Sal , I just fill the cavity in the side plates with 321 & let them sit for a while then assemble. No problems yet. They just keep going, & going & going............... ;D Reminds me of a certain little bunny. The oldest one I have is only 3 years old & I don't see it having any problems for quite a while. You could always make a small puller & heat the plate in the oven & then chill the bearing quickly with freon or try that new stuff for heating & cooling screws , then try the puller. Or if it gets really drastic you could always drill a hole from the outside & punch it out & than tap the hole for a plug. But thats an absolute last resort. I'm not worried about it yet. Rudy
Tried all mentioned above except the hole on the plate, nothing worked for me. My JVariance plate was brand new, no corrosion. I had to know if I could pull that bearing. After many attempts, I sent the plate to Aaron (reel speed), he was able to do it using his tools, but it wasn't easy. He told me that he had never seen anything like that. That bearing is crazy tight.
Sorry, back to your post FirePro911.
Quote from: alantani on May 11, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
actually, before dumping alot of money into this reel, i would just clean it up and fish with it as is for a while. i think you will find that it fishes just fine.
In to deep with it already Alan. lol!
How do I get the SS Gear Sleeve? Are they in the For Sale forum?
Rudy, I see the side plates he has already have bearings in them, but was wondering about putting bearings in my side plate.
Your side plates already have ball bearings in them. If you think that they are no good you can get new ones from MysticParts (Mystic Reel Parts). Or remove them from their cups after removing them from your plates & you could contact Boca Bearing in Boca Raton, FL. The standard ones from Penn are great & last a long time. To get parts from Alan just PM him for the sleeve & with your address & he will send it out with a bill. Rudy
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
I already have the ceramic bearings for both side plates. The question is about a possible bearing for the SS Gear Sleeve where it connects to the handle. Where the two arrows are in the picture.
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That's possible. What is the id I the hole and the of of the great sleeve?
Quote from: alantani on May 11, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
actually, before dumping alot of money into this reel, i would just clean it up and fish with it as is for a while. i think you will find that it fishes just fine.
I bought an older all post framed 113h and a later half frame model. I came to realise that you get the aluminium spool, the
ht100 drag and of course the half frame with the later model.
All that is needed for these later models, in my humble opinion, is a stainless gear sleeve. So I agree with Alan.
Having said that, I do like the new topless Tiburon frames.
Fom what I read on here, the graphite frames are fine up to about 20 pounds or so of drag and then they start to fail. 20 pounds will fish 80 pound line and catch some awfully big/strong fish. Your 4/0 Special Senator rod is a winner also. Get that rig together with a spool full of 80 pound spectra and a top shot of your choice and you can fish 90% of the fish in the ocean.
Ron
Ron, if you believe that this reel is fine as is, what are you going to do with all of the ss parts that you've been buying lately? ;D
FirePro, if you don't need to have 1000 yds of spectra, make that reel a narrow and save yourself some money.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 12, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
FirePro, if you don't need to have 1000 yds of spectra, make that reel a narrow and save yourself some money.
This is a 113 that I am about to tear down, clean up, polish, double dog and new drag washers for my Captain at the FD. After comparing the two of them, I thinking about making mine a narrow now.
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Quote from: basto on May 12, 2013, 08:02:56 AMAll that is needed for these later models, in my humble opinion, is a stainless gear sleeve. So I agree with Alan.
Having said that, I do like the new topless Tiburon frames.
Pretty much for what I will use it for, that would be fine as I will go after shark, ten foot and up, plus offshore action. Though I love to mess around with reels and hotrod them along with other mods.
Quote from: Bryan Young on May 12, 2013, 04:54:06 AM
That's possible. What is the id I the hole and the of of the great sleeve?
Having taken measurements, I just do not see this happening without mods and fabrication.
Here is the sleeve that presses down on the drag washers.
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Here you can see that there simply is not enough room between the side plate and the sleeve. As it sits, the measurements are 16mm X 17mm X 3mm. That leaves 1mm between the sleeve and the plate where the arrows are pointing.
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On the plate, the thickness is 3mm between the arrows.
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On my 7000i I am rebuilding, where the bearing goes is a lot longer. I pressed it out and will have to press it back in.
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Here is the sleeve in the bearing and it moves back and forth freely to set the drag.
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Back to this pic. The sleeve is 16mm and the hole is 17mm. If one really wanted to modify it to fit a bearing, I would think you would need to get one that measures 16mm X 20mm X 3mm. The 7000i bearing above measures 3mm from the sleeve to the OD of the bearing.
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So if you found a bearing in that size, you would need to drill the hole out from 17mm to 20mm, actually a little smaller so you would have to press the bearing in place to keep it from spinning. Though that brings us to the 3mm thickness of the plate itself. Will that thickness hold the bearing in place tight enough to keep it from spinning? Because all we want is for the bearings inside to spin and not the whole bearing.
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Maybe one last point that would restrict this, but not necessarily keep it from happening, the drill bit size. Finding the right size to fit the needs for the hole.
I realized this is a lot of work to a reel, but as I said, that is the part of the fun of the hobby to me. I'm not going the route of the bearing as described above....yet. Right now I am waiting for the Black Pearl Gears and the SS Gear Sleeve as I have everything else already. Plus deciding on what type of frame I want, either the wide or narrow.
Sorry. I knew that I should not respond late at night.
First of call, you will need a keyed tube. One that spins with the gear sleeve. I have not found one that fits yet. I think these may need to ve customed pieces. I know a guy that will make it but wants like $40-$50 each. That is way too expensive for such modificaiton with very little benefit.
My brother is giving me a lathe and milling machine. I may try it as soon as he teaches me how to use it.
By the way, I love that sail boat, crackle glass tile.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 12, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
FirePro, if you don't need to have 1000 yds of spectra, make that reel a narrow and save yourself some money.
So after scouring the internet, I see that there are a lot of the narrow frames out there. Is that the popular way to go with these?
If I go with a Tiburon or Jvariance frame I would like to drop from the HLW to the H as I am not sure about going as narrow as the N. I want to do a red frame with black spool.
So how much line would each use?
Quote from: alantani on May 11, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
actually, before dumping alot of money into this reel, i would just clean it up and fish with it as is for a while. i think you will find that it fishes just fine.
Quote from: basto on May 12, 2013, 08:02:56 AM
Quote from: alantani on May 11, 2013, 05:12:10 PM
actually, before dumping alot of money into this reel, i would just clean it up and fish with it as is for a while. i think you will find that it fishes just fine.
I bought an older all post framed 113h and a later half frame model. I came to realise that you get the aluminium spool, the
ht100 drag and of course the half frame with the later model.
All that is needed for these later models, in my humble opinion, is a stainless gear sleeve. So I agree with Alan.
Having said that, I do like the new topless Tiburon frames.
Quote from: noyb72 on May 12, 2013, 08:10:40 AM
Fom what I read on here, the graphite frames are fine up to about 20 pounds or so of drag and then they start to fail. 20 pounds will fish 80 pound line and catch some awfully big/strong fish. Your 4/0 Special Senator rod is a winner also. Get that rig together with a spool full of 80 pound spectra and a top shot of your choice and you can fish 90% of the fish in the ocean.
Ron
Hey, but where is the fun in that? ;D
Ok, I ordered the black aluminum spool, 29L-113HL, and it is on its way. I just ordered a red Tiburon frame, 113H also. Plus a Red aluminum star drag, billet style.
So all I am waiting to order are the Black Pearl gears which should hit the States next week.
I also will pick up a Shimano TLD 30 two speed on an American Rodsmith and a Diawa 900H on an Ugly Stick this weekend to add to the arsenal. The Shimano is not even a year old and was used twice before they sold their big boat. I got both setups for 300 bucks.
Firepro, think twice about an "aluminum" star wheel. They don't take to much force to strip them. Rudy
Ok! Got everything in for the rebuild finally!
Here it is with all the upgraded parts.
1. Pro Challenger SS Gear Set from down below in the Black Pearl section
2. Carbontex Washers from Smooooth Drag
3. SS Yoke from Smooooth Drag
4. Billet Aluminum T-handle and blank from Smooooth Drag
5. ABEC5 Ceramic Bearings from Smooooth Drag
6. SS Gear Sleeve from Alan Tani
7. Red Anodized Star Drag on eBay. NOTE: This drag could strip out as mentioned by Rudy. So I cleaned and polished the original star drag and will carry in tackle box just in case.
8. Double SS Dogs from Lee
9 & 10. Black Tiburon 113H frame with Black aluminum spool taking the reel from a 113HLW to a 113H.
11. Kit to secure reel to rod. Not sure if I want to use the black plastic part from the Tiburon frame or the SS part I go in from eReplacement.com.
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Here I put the two screws in backwards to be able to get the new dog set in place so I could mark it and match it with the other dog. Arrows point to where I scribed it.
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Once removed, you can see the scribe line to keep me on track.
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Dremel stone with painters tape used to set the depth I needed.
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You can see it is now the same depth as the plate.
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Once I cut the slot, I set the dog back in to make sure I was still on track. The arrows point to where I need to dremel the area for the spring.
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I used this tool to dremel the corner to hold the spring
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Almost there
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Here is the corner
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Both dogs and springs in place
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Plate shows that it still covers the new spring. The angle is bad as it does cover it well.
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New Pro Challenger SS Gear Set, 4:1 ratio now.
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This is what I used to lube everything up.
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5 drag stack put together
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Eccentric, Spring and Lever going on
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Clutch Springs in place
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SS Pinion Gear and SS Yoke in place
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Eccentric Jack
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Bridge Plate turned up to install the first dog
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Turn it a little more and install the second dog.
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Then push the spring in place
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Turned it again to install the other spring
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Rotated it back to where it goes. You can see that once it tries to drop back in place, the two dogs are under the Gear Sleeve.
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I help my hand over the Bridge Plate, slightly at an angle toward the original dog, which is to the left in the pic. I then used a jewelers screwdriver and pushed the dog until the Plate fell down somewhat. As I continued to apply slight pressure to the Plate, I pushed the second dog outward until the Plate fell into place. Then as you are holding it all, tighten down on the four screws to hold the Plate in place.
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Clicker Assemble in the other side plate.
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Top spool is the HLW and bottom is what I went to, the H
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The 113H Tiburon Frame and Spool.
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Lube on the Clicker Wheel
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All screws back in place
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Smooooth Drag T-handle, It comes with a bearing for smoother operation
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Finished Penn Senator 113H Reel! Now I gotta figure out what I will spool it with.
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Here is a short video of the double dogs in action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJFVRMpv0U
;D ;D ;D
Nice job! It looks awesome! And a nice tutorial on the double dog installation. I'm dreading that bit a little. I'm saving up for all the parts to do the full tank myself. This post will come in handy for sure.
Thanks!
/Karl
ok, it's official. the bar has just been raised...... ;D
Quote from: alantani on May 26, 2013, 11:03:41 PM
ok, it's official. the bar has just been raised...... ;D
Oh, no! Not again!? :-\ It's sure lonely here on the bottom.
FirePro, you're making me look bad so I need to criticize you. >:( Just kidding ;D
You did a wonderful job, the only thing I'm going to mention is that the cut out for the spring
appears to be a bit much. I don't believe that the spring will stay in place, it will eventually come out.
There are a few things you could do, the simplest thing is to nest two springs together, but that might not work.
You could add a piece of metal there as Justin showed us or you can place the bridge on a piece of flat metal and hit it with a hammer, using gentle fast blows.
Make sure you hold the piece flat and just hit the edge with an outward motion as it hits, you only need 1/16".
Here is what I'm talking about:
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You might need to re-tap the screw hole, I got away with it, the srew was tight but from screwing and unscrewing a little at a time, I was able to work it in.
Great Job! Thanks for sharing.
Sal
Nice job, FirePro. I dremel a point on my plates for the spring to slide on. I also put one on the dog. I didn't come up with it. someone else posted it on this site and I copied. ;D I don't have a pic but I think Sal did one like it also. I use handles like yours but mine don't have bearings. I'm not a fan of bearings in the handles.
BTW I'm a retired professional FF. I look forward to seeing more of your work. Bob
Thanks everyone! I'll fish it a few times and open it up to check on the spring. If it comes out, then get on it. If you look at the pic where it shows the spring in place with the dog, you can see where I didn't square off the end or bottom where the spring sits. I left it round and a little beveled to push the spring inward.
Got a tourney this week and it looks like we will be fishing Wednesday/Thursday/Friday so far. While out there, I will use the reel to catch shark and see how it does.
Cone, I'm going on 20 years with the City this August. My plan is to do five more, then retire. I will get into our Drop Program, then make Captain (hopefully) to boost my retirement, then retire.
Keeping pressure inward won't help, if it will come out it will be streight up. Like you've said, try it and see how it goes.
Keep in mind, I wasn't critisizing you, just trying to help.
Just in case it doesn't work, here is something else you could do, everyone should actually be able to do this:
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Shape it a little so it doesn't interfere with the spool lip and you're set. That should never come off
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and here you have the nice fit
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Sal
Nice work Sal.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 28, 2013, 11:12:27 PM
Keep in mind, I wasn't critisizing you, just trying to help.
Just in case it doesn't work, here is something else you could do, everyone should actually be able to do this:
Not to worry, I knew you were not criticizing. I see it all as helping each other out.
So what type of metal is that you put on there? How was that done? It actually looks like solder.
It is solder. sand the piece first, add a little flux and sweat. I placed the bridge on a flat piece of 1/4" aluminum and helped the soldering with a heated screwdriver tip. The solder has no lead and it is very easy to shape.
I just looked at your nice pix again and noticed that the material you left on the right side of the spring is twice the length as the one I have on the Tank. you can see what I mean on the third picture there.
This is why you went a little wider, you were trying to clear the dog. Still a great grinding job.
FirePro, I did 30 years with our city FD. 5 years of that was the drop. It took a while to get adjusted to not going in. I miss some of the people I worked with but not the politics. Bob
The soldering I can do. I'll most likely go that route after opening it back up again.
Cone, Same as you, I'll miss my crew, but not the politics. lol
Great wire up. Beautiful reel. Let us know how she fishes pls.
Good luck. Aloha
If you reel in A ten foot Shark with that, I gotta see it! I'm not saying that it can't be done. I just want to see it. Dominick reeled in a nice Roosterfish and a Marlin with one. Of course it had the Sal treatment.
That 900H is a different story. I'm still trying to get my hands on one of those baby's.
Then I can sell all my 6,9,10,12,14 and 16/0's and just fish with Tanks!
Good looking Reel! You did a great Job on it too Firepro! ;D
Nice right up ! Hope ya get to give it a good work out !!
That is one badass reel you built there! You said in the beginning of your post that you where going to clean and polish all the parts you where going to use. They look amazing, could you share how you got everything looking so pristine. The side plates especially look good. Good Job!
I use elbow grease mainly. I also use my Dremel with the polishing pads on it.
I think I posted a pic in the thread of the polish I use. It is White Diamond Metal Polish. It can be messy so be careful. Keep shaken it up during use also.
One thing I learned is to wash the parts with mild soap and water after I polish them. This is especially good for when I polish parts where it is hard to get all the polish off. The side plates are a great example with the art work on them.
The toothbrush and soap removes all polish residue and leaves the part glowing.
Thanks for the reply, I was afraid you would say "Dremel", once I take it out I know I'm going to attempt a double dog mod. ::)
Best thing to do then! lol
Very nice work.