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For Sale => Ultimate Upgrades by Bryan Young => Topic started by: Bryan Young on June 20, 2013, 12:41:40 PM



Title: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on June 20, 2013, 12:41:40 PM
Hi guys and gals,

The offering.
(http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae348/hawaiiansurfinboy/For%20Sale%20or%20Trade%20Items/IMG_0124_zps85260f93.jpg)

As you can see, the lasted eared washer sits well inside Newell's 4:1 gear for Penn's 500 and 501
(http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae348/hawaiiansurfinboy/For%20Sale%20or%20Trade%20Items/IMG_0131_zpsfdaec0db.jpg)

and with all washers in the stack
(http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae348/hawaiiansurfinboy/For%20Sale%20or%20Trade%20Items/IMG_0128_zpse5beb6a2.jpg)

They will also fit in the Newell 200, 300, and 400 series reels.

We will also include a belleville washer to replace the wave washer provided by Penn.

Cost is $28 including shipping in the USA.  PM me with the quantity along with your email and shipping address.  I will be sending you a PayPal invoice and upon payment, I'll be shipping out the sets.

I will have 20 sets in by next week and will start shipping the week after that.

Thank you for your interest.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 23, 2013, 12:50:45 PM
Drag sets are in. I'll start invoicing those who are interested shortly.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 24, 2013, 09:17:39 AM
Here's a little write up from Aaron of ReelSpeed regarding the under-gear washer.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2ghsIY94YPnBYS9QhND-p_tpbvAJHGxilDgmlH4wxY/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: thinket on June 24, 2013, 10:42:25 AM
hi Bryan,

whats max drag without upgraded drags & ss bridge sleeve?  to get 18-25lbs drag with upgrade, is ss sleeve necessary or replace sleeve after stock sleeve is rounded?

thanks,
ralph


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 24, 2013, 11:50:22 AM
Hi Ralph,

Stock HT-100 drags are comfortable at max 12# of drag.  The brass gears normally start to shread at 15# of drag.  The brass gear sleeve also start to round at 12# of drag.  So, this set-up does involve several things that needs to be considered.

1)  You should upgrade your gear sleeve to SS or Ti (still under development).
2)  You should use Penn's old stock of steel gears or aftermarket SS gears, such as BlackPearl, SmoothDrag, Newell, or Accurate.
3)  5 stack drag set.

When you add it all together, it does add up and is not for the budget minded, but for those who still love to fish these older reels and bring them in par with newer fishing reels.

I have not taked up the drags to 25# as I am still afraid that this is too much for these tiny reels, but am comfortable at 20# of drag making this a viable to fish with 50#-60# test line with smooth drags at the upper drag settings.

Personlly, I like the 5 stack because the drags seem much smoother than a 3 stack at the higher limits.

I hope this helps.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: redsetta on June 24, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
Great kit Bryan!


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: joel8080 on June 25, 2013, 03:20:46 AM
Bryan

Look forward to receiving my kit, one quick question the Teflon/delrin under gear washer does it install dry or what do you recomend we lube it with?.

Joel 8080


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Keta on June 25, 2013, 03:41:59 AM
The under washer should be a greased CF washer.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 25, 2013, 07:30:36 AM
Bryan

Look forward to receiving my kit, one quick question the Teflon/delrin under gear washer does it install dry or what do you recomend we lube it with?.

Joel 8080
Either would be fine.  personally, I would grease it.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 25, 2013, 08:27:49 AM
The under washer should be a greased CF washer.
Hi Lee,

As stated previously, the CF washer would essentially disintegrate at higher than 20# of drag, and therefore, we need to consider reliability of the entire system.

I personally like having a CF washer under the main gear, but if it will mean that the washer would need replacing periodically or worse yet, the washer would disappear during a fish fight resulting in metal to metal contact, we though it would be best to go with a friction bearing material that can stand up to the pressures.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: floating doc on June 25, 2013, 05:48:19 PM
Is this the drag set that will match the coming Black Pearl gears?


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 25, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
They should.  That is one of the reasons we decided to proceed with this drag upgrade kit.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 26, 2013, 02:19:15 AM
The under washer should be a greased CF washer.
Maybe it could be. My CF washer sheredded where it makes contact with the gear ratchet. If the teeth on the ratchet weren't as sharp on the flat side, we would probably get away with a CF washer. :-\


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 26, 2013, 06:17:45 AM
I am thinking that I wouldl include both washer in the next run  Maybe the CF can sit on top of the teflon/delrin washer to protect it from the gear sleeve and still function


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: floating doc on June 26, 2013, 03:49:15 PM
I am thinking that I wouldl include both washer in the next run  Maybe the CF can sit on top of the teflon/delrin washer to protect it from the gear sleeve and still function
Cool idea!


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Black Pearl on June 27, 2013, 06:49:38 AM
Hi Ralph,

Stock HT-100 drags are comfortable at max 12# of drag.  The brass gears normally start to shread at 15# of drag.  The brass gear sleeve also start to round at 12# of drag.  So, this set-up does involve several things that needs to be considered.

1)  You should upgrade your gear sleeve to SS or Ti (still under development).
2)  You should use Penn's old stock of steel gears or aftermarket SS gears, such as BlackPearl, SmoothDrag, Newell, or Accurate.
3)  5 stack drag set.

When you add it all together, it does add up and is not for the budget minded, but for those who still love to fish these older reels and bring them in par with newer fishing reels.

I have not taked up the drags to 25# as I am still afraid that this is too much for these tiny reels, but am comfortable at 20# of drag making this a viable to fish with 50#-60# test line with smooth drags at the upper drag settings.

Personlly, I like the 5 stack because the drags seem much smoother than a 3 stack at the higher limits.

I hope this helps.

Bryan

Hi Bryan,

Does the main gear need to be modified for the original Penn JM 500 main gear part to fit in your 5+1 drag stack?

Thanks,
--Alan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 27, 2013, 08:28:15 AM
Hi Alan,

If the depth of the main gear is the same as the stock penn or Newell for the Penn 500/501, then the depth would be fine.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: thinket on June 27, 2013, 09:47:47 AM
how do in get on list for 4 drag sets?

also need 4 sleeves.

thanks

Hi Ralph,

Stock HT-100 drags are comfortable at max 12# of drag.  The brass gears normally start to shread at 15# of drag.  The brass gear sleeve also start to round at 12# of drag.  So, this set-up does involve several things that needs to be considered.

1)  You should upgrade your gear sleeve to SS or Ti (still under development).
2)  You should use Penn's old stock of steel gears or aftermarket SS gears, such as BlackPearl, SmoothDrag, Newell, or Accurate.
3)  5 stack drag set.

When you add it all together, it does add up and is not for the budget minded, but for those who still love to fish these older reels and bring them in par with newer fishing reels.

I have not taked up the drags to 25# as I am still afraid that this is too much for these tiny reels, but am comfortable at 20# of drag making this a viable to fish with 50#-60# test line with smooth drags at the upper drag settings.

Personlly, I like the 5 stack because the drags seem much smoother than a 3 stack at the higher limits.

I hope this helps.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Black Pearl on June 27, 2013, 10:11:39 AM
Hi Alan,

If the depth of the main gear is the same as the stock penn or Newell for the Penn 500/501, then the depth would be fine.

Bryan

Hi B,

We will have another model main gear will mill 1mm deeper. Therefore, it could be 7+1 stack.....


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 27, 2013, 10:29:22 AM
On the gear sleeves, do you need fine or course thread?  I can also send that to you. 

Bryan
how do in get on list for 4 drag sets?

also need 4 sleeves.

thanks

Hi Ralph,

Stock HT-100 drags are comfortable at max 12# of drag.  The brass gears normally start to shread at 15# of drag.  The brass gear sleeve also start to round at 12# of drag.  So, this set-up does involve several things that needs to be considered.

1)  You should upgrade your gear sleeve to SS or Ti (still under development).
2)  You should use Penn's old stock of steel gears or aftermarket SS gears, such as BlackPearl, SmoothDrag, Newell, or Accurate.
3)  5 stack drag set.

When you add it all together, it does add up and is not for the budget minded, but for those who still love to fish these older reels and bring them in par with newer fishing reels.

I have not taked up the drags to 25# as I am still afraid that this is too much for these tiny reels, but am comfortable at 20# of drag making this a viable to fish with 50#-60# test line with smooth drags at the upper drag settings.

Personlly, I like the 5 stack because the drags seem much smoother than a 3 stack at the higher limits.

I hope this helps.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 27, 2013, 10:31:04 AM
I am not making a 7 stack set :(, but you can buy 2 sets and have spare washers  :D

Hi Alan,

If the depth of the main gear is the same as the stock penn or Newell for the Penn 500/501, then the depth would be fine.

Bryan

Hi B,

We will have another model main gear will mill 1mm deeper. Therefore, it could be 7+1 stack.....


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Ron Jones on June 27, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
Or you could buy 7 seta for 5 reels ;D

If we are getting 20+ pounds with 5, do we really need 30 pounds of drag on a 3/0?

What am I thinking; drag disks are like Long Island Ice Teas, a million is never enough!

Ron


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: BMITCH on June 27, 2013, 12:48:22 PM
Or you could buy 7 seta for 5 reels ;D

If we are getting 20+ pounds with 5, do we really need 30 pounds of drag on a 3/0?

What am I thinking; drag disks are like Long Island Ice Teas, a million is never enough!

Ron

  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 27, 2013, 03:24:25 PM
Careful  how far you want to go with that reel, not that I wouldn't mind see one blow up ;D.
It's not just about gears and frames when beefing upa reel, you need to consider other parts. On my lates test, the pinion tooth snapped right off, pinions are  stainless. Also, the spool shaft isn't that beefy.
The Jigmaster is rated at 8lb, going over 20lb would be asking for troubles.  I would keep that reel at 15lb to 17lb, that's still a big imrpovement.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 27, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
Careful  how far you want to go with that reel, not that I wouldn't mind see one blow up ;D.
It's not just about gears and frames when beefing upa reel, you need to consider other parts. On my lates test, the pinion tooth snapped right off, pinions are  stainless. Also, the spool shaft isn't that beefy.
The Jigmaster is rated at 8lb, going over 20lb would be asking for troubles.  I would keep that reel at 15lb to 17lb, that's still a big imrpovement.
Sal, we got to get you out to Hawaii for some Island Style Shore Casting. 100-400# leaders, 60-80# main line.  Drags cranked down until it can't go more and we still loose a fish due to the rocks.

My first casting reel is my Long Beach Live Bait 259 Reel with 50# test or my 113HLW with 80# test.   ;D


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 27, 2013, 04:36:36 PM
Yes Bryan, definitely something I would love to see, 400lb leader on a 8lb reel ::). Hey but if its working out for you guys, why not.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: erikpowell on June 27, 2013, 05:57:26 PM
Yes Bryan, definitely something I would love to see, 400lb leader on a 8lb reel ::). Hey but if its working out for you guys, why not.

now thats some perspective Sal   ;D

when we fish for mangrove jacks here, my aussie friends will take their teeny weeny abu's, spool em with 50lb braid, 150lb floro leader, and to my horror, crank the star down with pliers! .... and I can't believe i've never seen anybody's rig blow apart  :o



Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 27, 2013, 10:21:16 PM
Thanks guys and gals.  First run, sold out :).  Will post when I get the next shipment.

Mahalo,
Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Ron Jones on June 28, 2013, 12:55:08 AM
BZ brother!

Glad to see it's going well.
Ron


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 28, 2013, 02:32:47 AM
Great Bryan, what happened to my set? ::). You already know that I'm in anything you come up with. I bet those make that reel very smooth at 18lb.
Sal


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: joel8080 on June 28, 2013, 04:37:25 AM
Question my 112H main gear how can I tell if it's SS or Brass?, the reason I ask is most of the brass coating is off the gear and it's mostly silver in color I always thought that brass gears are brass thru & thru.

I have the reel a long time and I have done the following to it, SS Gear sleeve, SS yoke, SS Dog, Aluminum spool, big handle, Tiburon frame and I have a 5 stack in route from Bryan.

Joel 8080



Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: 2 G,s on June 28, 2013, 05:38:36 AM
 Sal.do you have ss or brass gear in your 112h reels.   2G,s


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Keta on June 28, 2013, 05:51:45 AM
I am thinking that I wouldl include both washer in the next run  Maybe the CF can sit on top of the teflon/delrin washer to protect it from the gear sleeve and still function

File a slight bevel on the leading edge of the gearsleeve "ratchet" or make the OD of the under washer smaller than the "teeth" and the problem goes away.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: BMITCH on June 28, 2013, 06:14:23 AM
Lee, that's exactly what I had posted in an earlier thread and did with all my drag stacks. My question was are you losing any drag surface with the smaller OD under gear washer??
Bob


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 28, 2013, 08:53:22 AM
Great Bryan, what happened to my set? ::). You already know that I'm in anything you come up with. I bet those make that reel very smooth at 18lb.
Sal
Aloha Sal, 
 ???  ???  ???
I figured you didn't want my low tech, stock configuration drag washer set since you are moving towards a versa drag system for all of your reels. ;D

But, coming your way are SS springs to replace those brass ones to get on your brighter dark side LOL

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 28, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
Great Bryan, what happened to my set? ::). You already know that I'm in anything you come up with. I bet those make that reel very smooth at 18lb.
Sal
Aloha Sal, 
 ???  ???  ???
I figured you didn't want my low tech, stock configuration drag washer set since you are moving towards a versa drag system for all of your reels. ;D

But, coming your way are SS springs to replace those brass ones to get on your brighter dark side LOL

Bryan
How am I going to prove to you that mine  are better if I don't have yours to compare them with ;)...J.K.
I remember you discussing these thin washers with me over a year ago, you need to move a little quicker on your projects ;D.
How about some for the larger reels, so we could check them out.
If they're working on the Baja at around 30lb, I don't see why they wouldn't work on those.
I'm able to bend the metal washer from the Baja with my hand, are yours of the same thickness?


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 28, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
Great Bryan, what happened to my set? ::). You already know that I'm in anything you come up with. I bet those make that reel very smooth at 18lb.
Sal
Aloha Sal, 
 ???  ???  ???
I figured you didn't want my low tech, stock configuration drag washer set since you are moving towards a versa drag system for all of your reels. ;D

But, coming your way are SS springs to replace those brass ones to get on your brighter dark side LOL

Bryan
How am I going to prove to you that mine  are better if I don't have yours to compare them with ;)...J.K.
I remember you discussing these thin washers with me over a year ago, you need to move a little quicker on your projects ;D.
How about some for the larger reels, so we could check them out.
If they're working on the Baja at around 30lb, I don't see why they wouldn't work on those.
I'm able to bend the metal washer from the Baja with my hand, are yours of the same thickness?
It's not bending strength I need to consider, it's shearing force.  I'm trying to learn autocad, and it takes time.  Hope to have other options available shortly. :)


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 28, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
It's not bending strength I need to consider, it's shearing force. 
Doesn't thickness need to be cosidered for shearing force?



Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: redsetta on June 28, 2013, 11:03:09 PM
Quote
...are you losing any drag surface with the smaller OD under gear washer?
G'day Bob,
The decreased surface area would have no impact on drag force, though explaining why is altogether too complicated ;) ;D


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Ron Jones on June 28, 2013, 11:58:57 PM
Quote
...are you losing any drag surface with the smaller OD under gear washer?
G'day Bob,
The decreased surface area would have no impact on drag force, though explaining why is altogether too complicated ;) ;D

I tried explaining that last week, didn't go over so well.

Ron


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: BMITCH on June 29, 2013, 01:46:34 AM
Quote
...are you losing any drag surface with the smaller OD under gear washer?
G'day Bob,
The decreased surface area would have no impact on drag force, though explaining why is altogether too complicated ;) ;D

I tried explaining that last week, didn't go over so well.

Ron

I'm not attempting to hijack this thread or anything but.... It seems if you go with a smaller OD washer under the main and soften the teeth that would be a good option to prevent it from being torn up. This would also prevent the the munged up grease on the ratchet teeth.No??? As far as the thickness of the metal washers is concerned...if they are thinner aren't they more likely to deform under extrem drag settings? I didn't run any tests as Bryan did but I would think that might become an issue.

Bob


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 29, 2013, 01:53:36 AM
Quote
...are you losing any drag surface with the smaller OD under gear washer?
G'day Bob,
The decreased surface area would have no impact on drag force, though explaining why is altogether too complicated ;) ;D
I've found during my personal testings that the washer under the gear gives zero drag, its only a spacer.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: RowdyW on June 29, 2013, 08:11:11 AM


I've found during my personal testings that the washer under the gear gives zero drag, its only a spacer.
[/quote]     Hi Sal, if the washer under the gear gives zero drag then why does almost everybody insist that the washer should be a CF washer. I've been using the regular fiber washer for years without a failure. Those fiber washers are tough & don't leave any particles behind. To each his own but I'm happy with the regular fiber washers & I don't think I am the only one.   8) 8)      Rudy


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 29, 2013, 08:57:17 AM
Yes Rudy you are right about the fiber washer, it is good for what its intended to do, but keep in mind that a Jigmaster is rated at 8lb and I pushed it to 29, that's almost 4x more. I believe those will also fail at that setting.
A while back I had a discussion with Alan about CF washers for under the gear and I told him that during my test on the 4/0 they showed signs of wear. We both agreed that a SS keyed washer first and then a CF washer would make the reel happy. The only problem is that the main gear would need to be groved  at the bottom for the extra hight.
When I get my hex set from Black Pearl, I will test them on my 6/0 and I will install a teflon washer under the gear to see how it holds up. That reel should put out over 35lb.
Sal


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on June 29, 2013, 09:38:31 AM
I was thinking the same thing sal. I need to look at this further though. Im not sure if the gear needs a full shadt or if it would be fine with a partial shaft since the keyed washer will now be all the way to the bottom.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: RowdyW on June 29, 2013, 12:22:44 PM
Sal, why would you need a Jigmaster to pull 29# of drag? Are you trying to turn it into a shark or marlin reel. I think it will be a little short of line yardage even with braid. If I want that much drag I just bring out my 4/0 or 6/0. If I really want to put the brakes on a fish I use the 9/0. Right now I'm waiting for my 12/0 to arrive. I can see using CF drags & 5+1 drags but to ramp them up beyond reliability doesn't make sense to me. That's just my opinion. To each his own. My philosophy is small reel, small bait, small fish.... big reel, big bait, bigger fish.... monster reel, monster bait, monster fish.... or so that's my thought (but not always right).  ;D  I wouldn't want my fish of a lifetime on the line and be worrying if the reel might disintegrate right in front of me. If bigger reels are to heavy its time to eat your Wheaties or get off the porch.  ;D ;D ;D          Rudy  8)


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 29, 2013, 01:04:00 PM
No Rudy, you need to go back to my original post " testing some jigmasters gears ". I know which reel to use for the job when I need one and I believe others here do as well.
When I got to 29lb it was what the inserts and my cut outs were putting out, I was simply testing how far these gears would go and they did great by the way, almost double than stock.
At the end of my test I said that the jigmaster with those upgrades would be able to handle 15 to 18 lb. I believe that is a great improvement for a jigmaster or a 112H.
I also mentioned it here above , on the second page nine down.
I've noticed that you have lots of comments on what we've been doing, you've mentioned a few times that you've been using penn's just as they are and never had problems, yet I always see you purchasing stuff for upgrades that we've been recommending around here :-\.
Later pal.
Sal


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: BMITCH on June 29, 2013, 01:37:56 PM
Guys, here's my two cents. With the micro/braided lines of today the reels of old(stock penn's) just don't put put as much drag to support the super braids of today. IMO that's really what I'm doing with the upgrades and such. Just a thought.
Bob


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: RowdyW on June 29, 2013, 02:12:30 PM
Sal, I never said that I use them just as they are. An upgrade to a stronger frame is not trying to get something out of a reel that it was not built for. I don't know what "upgrades" you think I am doing but the ones I am doing are to reinforce what is already there. My brass sleeves are holding up quite well but I do have some reels with s/s sleeves. The s/s sleeve for the LB & 113 (black) are sure needed above all others. As far as upgrades for more power beyond CF drags & 5+1 drags where have I ordered those parts? My Penns & Daiwa Sealines are just being made more reliable. As far as asbestos & wood fiber drag washers in 3+1 setups they are junk. CF & 5+1 setups do not overstress the reels. I have nothing against your experiments to see when you can break a reel. But if one gear breaks at 30# of drag does that mean that all the others will hold up continuesly at 29#?  By the way I've been using these upgrades before joining this forum. Since joining this forum I have used s/s dogs & a 5+1 washer setup for my 9/0 Sealine. The rest I have been doing for a long time.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on June 29, 2013, 02:48:25 PM
  The rest I have been doing for a long time.
You're showing your age Rudy ;D
I noticed you've purchased Black Pearl's gears, I believe I can change your mind on the 1+5 with the 114H Hex cut.
I let you know how they'll work out in my $80 114HLN.
Sal


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: RowdyW on June 29, 2013, 07:30:10 PM
I forgot about that one Sal. I've got a 114HLW w/Tib. frame & Accuplates  that I might just want to update the drags on. I already ordered the 114 gears from BP but I might wait for a set of hex gears for my 114hn w/tib frame but for that one I would rather have the original gear ratio.       Rudy


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: floating doc on June 30, 2013, 02:16:43 AM
Guys, here's my two cents. With the micro/braided lines of today the reels of old(stock penn's) just don't put put as much drag to support the super braids of today. IMO that's really what I'm doing with the upgrades and such. Just a thought.
Bob
My 112HN is planned for a jigging reel for 65 lb braid. I will be using it in Florida for bottom fish, so I don't need to have a reel that holds 500 plus yards in order to get 20 lbs of drag. I would also lose the retrieve rate that I need to effectively work a jig if I try use a 6/0.

A big reel isn't going to balance on a the new lightweight,  high power jigging rods either.

Valid points on the "big reel, big fish..." etc.  but braid changes the game.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Doug on July 02, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
Hi Bryan  I want to thank you for the work on the 5 stack drag kit. I got mine on Saturday and installed it in a tricked out 501 . The 501 I have has all the ss parts I can find thanks to Alan, Lee and Dawn and I picked up a set of accurate 4 to1 ss gears , trib frame and new handle. The kit installed without any issue direct fit. I am glad I used a fine threaded gear slieve . the new drag is much much smoother than the stock drags. this is a really good improvement. I had a chance to use the reel this week end but the fishing wasn't to good with all the rain we have been getting here in the East coast. I will say that the drag advances very quickly small adjustments to the star give you a lot more drag, so the fine thread works real well . Thanks again please post when you get some more in stock   Doug


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 02, 2013, 05:50:12 PM
Thanks Doug. Im glad the worked out for you. Now you just need some fish. :) 


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 02, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
I just received 30 more complete drag kits (carbon fiber and metal washers) and 10 replacement carbon fiber only kits.

Cost is still $27 shipped and the replacement drag kits are $12 shipped.

The replacement kit only has a cf under gear drag washer and no teflon/delrin washer. I couldn't get the carbon fiber replacement kit with the teflon/delrin washer.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: mbg60 on July 02, 2013, 06:21:45 PM
Mahalo Bryan.  Got my parts today.  Thanks for the quick shipping.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 03, 2013, 11:11:46 AM
You're welcome.  Now time to change out those drags and slay some fishy. :D


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: franky on July 03, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Hello Brian,

Okay, so the CF washers have to be thinner to accomodate the 5:1 stack height.  Can I use the same metal washers? or do the metal washers also have to be thinner? 


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 03, 2013, 11:54:28 AM
Hello Brian,

Okay, so the CF washers have to be thinner to accomodate the 5:1 stack height.  Can I use the same metal washers? or do the metal washers also have to be thinner? 
Aloha Franky,

The CF washers are SmoothDrag's thinnest.  The metal washers are about half as thick as stock...maybe thinner.  this is how we are able to get 8-9 of the washers (carbon fiber and metal) in the gear.  The last 2 are questionable due to the variation in the gear depth of Newell Gears.  But even if the last 1-2 washers sit on above the ende of the gear, the last eared washer will sit in the gear.  This is important.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: joel8080 on July 04, 2013, 04:05:21 AM
Bryan

I recevied the drags & washers there great real smooth, now to try them in combat for the ultimate test.

Joel 8080


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on July 08, 2013, 10:55:02 AM
Bryan, I just received the package, looking good ;).
Thanks buddy,
Sal


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 08, 2013, 11:53:07 AM
No Probs Sal,  let me know how it worked out for you and your tests.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: floating doc on July 08, 2013, 03:15:01 PM
My package arrived today! I won't be able to do the install for a while; I'm slowly accumulating parts for my 112HN. I'm building it for jigging with 65 lb braid.

So far, I have an old 112H, the narrow Tiburon frame/spool, and now the drag set. I'm waiting for the Black Pearl gears to be ready, and I'll need a pair of stainless dogs and a sleeve. Also planning to replace the handle. I have to buy parts slowly to space out the expense.

I think that's everything. This will be the first time I go all out on a reel; my past modifications have been limited to drag replacement.

There's no hurry since I don't know anyone within 200 miles that I can fish with. I can't afford a charter. There are party boats, but they don't allow braided line.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 10, 2013, 11:47:37 AM
Sal, have you had the chance to try out the drags??? or do you have way too many projects right now?  Curious about the comparison between your system and this one.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Alto Mare on July 10, 2013, 12:12:39 PM
Too much going on at the moment Bry Bry, I'll get to it.
Sal


Title: UPDATE: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200/300/400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 12, 2013, 11:05:07 PM
New FiberTek Drag Washer System

The system comes with:

5 Carbon Fiber Drag Washers
5 thin stainless steel drag washers
2 Under gear drag washers (so you have a choice to install either a carbon fiber or teflon blend spacer) - NEW (used to come with only a teflon blend spacer)
1 Stanless steel belleville washer

The kit cost $28 shipped within the USA, including Hawaii and Alaska

Original System

New system with the addtion of the under gear carbon fiber washer so you have a choice of which washer you would like to use.

As you can see, the lasted eared washer sits well inside Newell's 4:1 gear for Penn's 500 and 501
and with all washers in the stack


PM me with your email address and # of kits you would like to purchase and I'll send you a PayPal invoice so everything is recorded and protected by PayPal's buyer protection.

Upon receipt of payment, the systems will be mailed.

Please note that by using this drag system, you will be increasing the drag pressure above the design limits of the reel, and should be used with caution and will be at your own risk. I highly recommend the use of only steel or stainless steel gears as the Penn's 500/501 gears are known to shread at 12-15# of drag

If you have any questions, please post or pm me.

Thank you.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: jigmaster501 on July 13, 2013, 04:18:02 AM
Will anyone be making a Stainless Steel 4 to 1 gear for the jigmaster/112h?

Many feel the 5 to 1 gears are too fast and less powerful.




Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 13, 2013, 08:04:15 AM
Newell made 4:1 gear sets.  Unfortunately, they are harder to find than 5:1 gear sets.

No one else have put up the money to fund these.  We are extremely greatful for Alan Chiu for funding the 3 gear sets already.  If he can sell out in a reasonable amount of time, its possible he may be interested in funding a 4:1 gear set as well.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on July 22, 2013, 10:37:17 AM
Dawn asked me to check these gears out, these will fit the Newell, the Jigmaster 505 and Jigmaster 500/501, that I'm showing here.
The Jigmaster 500 will need a little customizing to make them work.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Dawn/020_zps832ccd24.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Dawn/020_zps832ccd24.jpg.html)
While I was at it, I also decided to test Bryan's 5+1 drag kit.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Dawn/016_zpsb7fdf862.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Dawn/016_zpsb7fdf862.jpg.html)
At holding I got 24lb, there was a little more, but I didn't want to push it all the way
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Dawn/010_zpse1970952.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Dawn/010_zpse1970952.jpg.html)
I pulled the line out and run, as Bryan suggested, the scale registered about the same and the line peeled off smoothly
I also did some retrieving tests by just turning the handle while pulling a wagon with some weight.
With the star almost all the way tight, the scale  registered 15lb. Ones it got rolling, the drag was nice and smooth.
If any of you would like to install these gears in the Jigmaster 500, you'll need to use the stock tension spring from Penn.
If you would like to use the Belleville instead, you'll need to shave the plate just a little, I used a Belleville similar to the one that came with Bryan's kit, mine is a little smaller in diameter.
 (http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Dawn/007_zpsef2a4610.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Dawn/007_zpsef2a4610.jpg.html)
You will also need to drill the bottom of the pinion so it will fit over the right side bushing, don't worry about doing so, most of the stress on the pinions is at the notched area. Dawn could actually ask the machinist to enlarge the bottom of the pinion,  other reels mentioned won't be affected by it.
The Newell gear has a built in washer at the bottom, if you're using these in a Jigmaster, you will need a shorter spacer sleeve
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Dawn/006_zps4a51962b.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Dawn/006_zps4a51962b.jpg.html)
Here is a shot of the drilled pinion
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Dawn/023_zpsf5a7ad43.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Dawn/023_zpsf5a7ad43.jpg.html)
Dawn, to me the gears did great and everything looked good afterwards.
Bryan, your washers did really good, I like them. The washer under the main gear was undamaged, maybe related to that built in washer under the gear :-\
I hope this is of some help.
Sal


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Clipper on August 26, 2013, 06:18:57 AM
Gentlemen, I apologize for being late to this party but I just found and joined this site on Saturday. I have two 112H Tiburon narrow frame rigs on 7 ft All Star Handmades which I love.  Their balance and fishability are perfect for me and my close-in Gulf of Mexico boat fishing.  I would like to optimize these rigs along the lines of this project you have been discussing.  I run 50# braid on these rigs.  If someone could summarize what I need for drags, ss gears and dogs, as well as sources, or any other suggestion, I would appreciate it.  I do see Brian's drag set which I will order if it still available.  (What does 5+1 mean?).  Anyway, thanks in advance to anyone who would give me some of their time.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Keta on August 26, 2013, 06:26:15 AM
5+1 is 5 CF drag washer in the gear and 1 under the gear.

You have the Tiburon frames so you will need SS Gear sleeve and AR dog, thin metal and CF drag washers and a bellville washer to replace the wavy spring washer.   Upgrading the handle and handle arm is another option, I prefer the smaller out of production "hotdog" handle for 112H/500 size reels.  A few hex and octagon gear inserts are still available but I'm not sure if I will make another run for the 112H/500 gear.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on August 26, 2013, 06:43:38 AM
5+1 is 5 CF drag washer in the gear and 1 under the gear.

You have the Tiburon frames so you will need SS Gear sleeve and AR dog, thin metal and CF drag washers and a bellville washer to replace the wavy spring washer.   Upgrading the handle and handle arm is another option, I prefer the smaller out of production "hotdog" handle for 112H/500 size reels.  A few hex and octagon gear inserts are still available but I'm not sure if I will make another run for the 112H/500 gear.
And you really should have stainless steel or steel gears.  Brass gears could shread as little as 12# of drag.

I still have drag sets available.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Clipper on August 26, 2013, 07:51:21 AM
Thanks all, I will proceed


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on August 29, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
I'm all sold out of kits at the moment.  I need to order more.  Please stand by.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Tunacious on September 16, 2013, 05:50:06 PM
Just read this post...good stuff. :)

For my 20-30 lb. reels, I use the original Newell P series reels with 4 HT-100's. Using your 5+1 system, I'd truly have a 6 stack at work since the bottom of the main gear is recessed for a CF washer and this same gear sits on a fixed ss washer on the bridge sleeve. Is this correct thinking or am I missing something? How many lbs of drag would I be getting from this setup? Would it be too much drag for these small Newells? I've never measured how much drag I get from any reel, rather, I just do it by feel and experience. BTW, I've experimented placing a CF underneath the main gear in my NL series Newells and Pro Gears but haven't found any advantage in doing so. The washer doesn't get destroyed...it just doesn't get me any more drag.

The 4 stack has worked great for me all these years without any failures. Eventually, I may get the Tib frames for my P-322's/P-332's. I'd certainly feel more comfortable using your 5+1 system.

BTW, I use Penn belvilles on top of the drag stack rather than the stock Newell belville. The Penn isn't quite as flat, therefore giving me a bit more pressure.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: bigcatpat on September 17, 2013, 09:21:32 PM
Do you have any of these kits back in stock yet?


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: westward on September 20, 2013, 10:17:40 AM
I sent a message the other day concerning my g440f and my drag concerns.

It seems your 5+1 system is what I need.

Please forward purchase information.

Thank you,

Michael Nicastro

11661 Johnson Lake Road
Lakeside, Ca 92040
619-390-0267
westwardhofoods@cox.net


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on September 20, 2013, 03:18:44 PM
Still out of stock...and awaiting shipment.


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Bryan Young on September 27, 2013, 06:17:57 PM
Hi Members,

I just got 30 kits today.  I sent a PayPal invoice to all members that I have on record that wanted these kits.  If I missed you, please PM me again with your email address, address, and # of kits you would like, and I'll send you a paypal invoice.

The price is back to $27 as only a CF undergear washer is being provided as feedback indicated that this is what everyone wanted.

Thank you for your interest and purchase.

Bryan


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: DaBigOno on October 03, 2013, 03:47:26 PM
Bryan,

Just received my 3 kits.. They look awesome.  I can't wait to get these done, even though I probably won't get to fish them until springtime for yellows.

Mahalos!!!


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: erikpowell on October 03, 2013, 06:49:52 PM
Bryan,
Do you have me down for 3 kits?

and if you and Sal say BP's 112h/500 gear set will fit the 505, then I'll probably want an extra set for that   :-*



Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: bigcatpat on October 04, 2013, 11:54:42 PM
Are you receiving the Pm,s i,ve sent you Bryan?


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: broschro on October 05, 2013, 03:46:56 AM
i need two sets  8)


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Xterrafisher on November 03, 2013, 10:59:44 PM
Are there any kits available? 


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: anglermanagement on November 05, 2013, 04:16:20 PM
Hi guys, new here. Very interested in these 5+1 kits. Are there any available, if so Bryan do I just PM you?

Also I'm interested in the SS gears, can you direct me where to find these?


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 112H/500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Newell Nut on November 05, 2013, 04:59:57 PM
Try Dawn at Smoothdrag for the gears. If she is out of them then I have an extra set that I can part with.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on December 28, 2013, 02:03:14 AM
Kits are now available.  Sorry for the delay.

The drag kits cost $25 shipped in the USA if pay check, PM me before sending me your money to make sure kits are available.   

If you would rather pay via paypal, the price is $26/set to cover the paypal fees.

International orders, only paypal is acceptable for payment, and shipping price will be added to paypal invoice.

The reduction in prices is due to my inability to aquire the belleville drag washers from my supplier.  they are all out of stainless steel bellevilles at the moment.  Sorry for the inconvenience.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on January 04, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
Photos of the new kits

You will see 2 photos of the Newell Kits.  One is for the 3-stack and the other is for the 4-stack.  The difference between the two is the undergear drag washer, and the 4-stack replacement, since it has a larger undergear drag washer the 4-stack is $26 shipped if paying by check and $27 shipped if paying by paypal.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on January 07, 2014, 12:01:33 AM
I have a new supplier for SS belleville washers and I was able to order up a bunch.  Should be here next week...I hope.  It's coming from the East Coast...  Cost will be an extra $2 if you want them included in the kit.

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Newell Nut on January 07, 2014, 05:05:46 AM
The new washers fit perfect Bryan. Nice job.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Greenroom on March 13, 2014, 12:37:31 PM
Are there any sets left available? And I'm Assuming you are using Cals grease with these?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Tunacious on March 13, 2014, 03:26:49 PM
PM Bryan Young directly to get that info. The carbontex washers from Bryan come dry. It's your choice to grease them or not.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Newell Nut on March 13, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
I put Cal's on all of mine and it works great.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on March 13, 2014, 04:05:34 PM
Are there any sets left available? And I'm Assuming you are using Cals grease with these?

Thanks.
I do have sets available. Please pm me with the quantity and I'll send you a paypal invoice.

The sets do come dry.  I recommend greasing them with Cal's, shimano, daiwa,...drag grease.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Greenroom on March 14, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
Cool p.m. sent.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: uluacringe on April 11, 2014, 07:46:09 PM
are you still shipping these to hawaii or are they available here?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on April 14, 2014, 11:14:29 PM
are you still shipping these to hawaii or are they available here?
I'm still shipping them. I have a few feelers out but no takers yet.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: erikpowell on April 15, 2014, 12:43:26 AM
I was just noticing how many views this topic hasÖ a lot !
Good job Bryan, keep up the good work  ;)


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on April 15, 2014, 06:46:13 AM
Bula Erik and thank you.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: erikpowell on May 03, 2014, 03:18:09 PM
I need another set too btwÖpm sent!
mahalo


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400 Series, Penn 112H & Jigmasters, & ProGear 255/251 5+1 Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on May 06, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
I have 4 kits remaining. 

All parts have been ordered, but I do not have an ETA for the metal washers.  Will keep you advised.


Title: Re: SOLD OUT: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: gallegn on May 15, 2014, 12:20:23 PM
Bryan,
I just got my kit yesterday and dropped it in my Newell 332.  Awesome!! Fit like a glove and bumped me up from 14 lbs to 23 lbs. I could have cranked down more on the drag star but was afraid of overloading the gears/spool.  I now have a justification for upgrading the frame/spool with a Tiburon kit.

Thanks


Title: Re: SOLD OUT: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: day0ne on June 06, 2014, 09:59:16 PM
Bryan
Any ETA on the 5+1 sets for a Newell 300series?


Title: Re: SOLD OUT: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on June 06, 2014, 11:33:37 PM
ETA 1 week.


Title: Re: SOLD OUT: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: day0ne on June 07, 2014, 12:33:59 PM
great!


Title: Re: SOLD OUT: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: rjones on June 09, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
I would like to get a set of these when they are available.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: funhog on June 26, 2014, 07:40:05 PM
Bryan

I would realy like to order 5 sets of the 5+1 drag kits for the Newell reels. It looks as though you will have them again in the near future. May I place an order, and do you need a deposit or the money up front. Im good either way. I just hope they are availble by late August.

Thanks!  John Alldredge

johna@cbpmail,net
alldredge5@cox.net
(310)850 0503


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: russ1962 on July 03, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
Hi Bryan,
I received my 5 + 1 drag kits today. I'm glad that I ordered the extra set too!
Last weekend I ran across a brand new, never fished, old school P322 and plan on upgrading the drags with the extra kit tomorrow.

Thanks again!

Russ


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on July 04, 2014, 03:10:17 PM
Awesome Russ.  those P322s are difficult to find.

Time to go and get some white sea bass.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: day0ne on July 04, 2014, 04:22:25 PM
Are the 5+1 drag stacks back in stock? I need 4 or 5


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on July 05, 2014, 09:50:02 AM
Thank you.  Paypal invoice was just sent.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: redasfire on July 05, 2014, 01:57:37 PM
Are these still in stock? If so I would like to order 2 sets.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: chunkman on July 22, 2014, 05:37:34 AM
Are these still in stock? If so I would like to order 3 sets.
Rich


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Oahutaco on July 23, 2014, 03:41:29 AM
Howzit Bryan, I need 2 sets if you still got them in stock.

Thanks
Jt.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Tightlines666 on July 23, 2014, 11:59:35 AM
I'm pretty sure you can get them locally, if you're here on Oahu.  Try Brian's, 5 Ocean's 7 Seas, or Ewa Beach Buy & Sell.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: handi2 on August 30, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
I would like to comment on Bryan's drag kits. When installed in the smaller reels with 3 stock drag washers these kits really shine. I have installed them in all of the Penn reels and the smaller reels benefit the most.

I have done 8 of these now on the Penn 112H 3/0 reel and 2 for the Jigmaster reel.

2 were for a Kayak fishermen that wanted a lightweight bottom fishing reel. The SS gear sleeve was installed with the stock steel main gears. Also SS double anti-reverse dogs and new larger handles.

These 2 reels pulled 30lbs of smooth max drag and he has fished with it at 20lbs all summer with never a problem.

Thanks to Bryan..!!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: fishking17 on September 01, 2014, 05:23:53 PM
I would like to purchase a drag set for my Newell 220. Please let me know payment details.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Great Bass 2 on October 23, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Bryan

I would like to buy 2 sets. Tx

Scott


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag
Post by: Bryan Young on October 23, 2014, 11:05:46 PM
Bryan

I would like to buy 2 sets. Tx

Scott
Thanks Scott.  I sent you a paypal invoice to your mail address associated with your membership in this site.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: pyros46290 on March 30, 2015, 08:56:57 AM
I could use 2 set of these for my 500s, if still available.

thanks,

-Jon


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on March 30, 2015, 09:39:39 AM
I could use 2 set of these for my 500s, if still available.

thanks,

-Jon
Thanks Jon.  PayPal Invoice was sent.

I noticed you are located in the East Bay.  If you ever come down to San Jose, we should meet up.

Thank you,
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: pyros46290 on March 30, 2015, 12:34:04 PM
well that just shows how often i update my forum profiles, i moved to south san jose about 6 months ago. you getting ready for salmon season next week?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on March 30, 2015, 12:36:29 PM
well that just shows how often i update my forum profiles, i moved to south san jose about 6 months ago. you getting ready for salmon season next week?
Hi Jon, I'm in Campbell, Alan is in Saratoga.  Swing on by or Alan's when you have a moment.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: pyros46290 on March 30, 2015, 01:01:45 PM
oh, cool. yeah ill have to do that when i get some free time. would be nice to see some of the gear you guys put together. just sent the paypal btw

thanks
-Jon


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: alantani on March 30, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
swing by this week if you have time.  i'm home all week, rushing to get everyone's salmon gear done, plus the beer at this house is colder that at bryan's!


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: Fishit 2 on April 01, 2015, 01:20:42 PM
Here's a little write up from Aaron of ReelSpeed regarding the under-gear washer.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2ghsIY94YPnBYS9QhND-p_tpbvAJHGxilDgmlH4wxY/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1
That was a good read, I was never a fan of the CF under the main gear - I never put one there because I really didn't see benefit - now I'm seeing that this thinking is correct and I will try a delrin washer.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Rancanfish on April 02, 2015, 07:51:15 AM
Wow I wish I knew you guys were hanging out earlier.  I would have rescheduled my work.

Hey Alan, how come I never saw a cold beer when I was at your house, lol.  Is this a new policy?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: alantani on April 02, 2015, 10:19:28 AM
after i bought a small frig, yes!  ;D


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: swill88 on April 10, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
Bryan,

Well... I guess this is the place I was looking for. I'm hoping to buy 2 drag sets if they work for me.
A 500 jigmaster with an original main gear and Alan's ss sleeve.
A 506HS... I just got a 5:1 ss Newel gear from Brains in Hawaii. I'm reading mixed reports if it works or not on the 506.
Also I am looking for a 4/0 Kolekar knob to put on Motive Fab counterbalanced ss handle I found on these forums.

I'm pretty new at this but, I can build anything... maybe not the space shuttle... a cocky carpenter.
I appreciate any feedback or recommendations and ordering info too.

Thanks.
steve


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on April 10, 2015, 10:55:54 PM
Aloha Steve,  Brian's also carries my drag kits.  Please support our local shops and purchase the drag kits from them.

The Newell gear set for 200/300/400 should work perfectly fine on your 506, but not the 500 unless you purchased Newell's gear set for the Penn 500/501 reels.

Mahalo,
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Min1971 on April 26, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
Hey Mr. Young
I've received your kit today.
Looking at them I have few question.  There is one smaller metal washer that came with the kit.  What is it?  Also, one of the CF has a edge cut off.  It should not be an issue...  I hope.  And last how much grease to use on the drag washers.  Thank you in advance


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on April 26, 2015, 04:24:08 PM
Hi Min,

The small carbontex goes under the main gear.  The spring meal washers goes on top of the drag stack under the spacer if you choose to use it.

Sorry about one of the washers.  I thought I caught all of the miss cuts.  It will not make a difference and I hate when I don't seem to catch all of the mis-cuts, but it does happen.  I looked at about 500 washers that day and tried to catch each one.

Regarding the drag grease, I brush it on to coat both sides of the drag washer.  If in excess, not to worry.  It will get squeezed out.

Thank you,
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Min1971 on April 26, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
Thank you for quick response Mr. Young.  ^^.
Kit is getting greased with Cal's grease and going into my trusted Newell 332.

Min


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on April 26, 2015, 04:54:59 PM
It was luck.  I just happen to get on.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: cooper669 on June 25, 2015, 01:27:02 PM
Bryan, if available, I'd like a set for my P229. PM sent.


Damon


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: 1Forecon on June 25, 2015, 02:44:00 PM
Bryan, PM sent.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: bluefish69 on September 18, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Bryan

I am lucky enough the have one of Tom's Jig Master's. You told me to let you know which 5-1 Gears I wanted to install. I just ordered BP 5-1 Gear Set. So I need a Drag Set for these. Do you have a 2nd Generation Bridge Sleeve with washer or do I wait for Alan T?

Please send me an Invoice for PP

Thanks
Mike


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: bluefish69 on September 19, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
I got lucky this time with the drag washers. I also had 2 - 2nd Gen. Bridge Sleeves in stock. I just don't like having just 1 of anything except a Wife.

Mike


Title: Re: Sold Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Hoochrip on December 26, 2015, 03:12:01 PM
Sold out.  Drag washers are on order.
Bryan,
Do you have 5+1 drag set for 505, I was planning on doing a reel for my sister boyfriend with gen 2 sleeve and Newell ss gear?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on December 26, 2015, 07:57:34 PM
Drag kits are back in stock.


Title: Re: Sold Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on December 26, 2015, 09:21:11 PM
Sold out.  Drag washers are on order.
Bryan,
Do you have 5+1 drag set for 505, I was planning on doing a reel for my sister boyfriend with gen 2 sleeve and Newell ss gear?

Did you need the under gear washers too?  Please let me know.

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Hoochrip on December 27, 2015, 06:06:24 AM
Yes, Do you know if Alan has the 505 gen 2 sleeves fine or coarse? Wasn't sure if I had to get the washer from you or Alan.
Thanks,
Mark


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on December 27, 2015, 11:22:14 PM
Yes, Do you know if Alan has the 505 gen 2 sleeves fine or coarse? Wasn't sure if I had to get the washer from you or Alan.
Thanks,
Mark
Hi Mark,

Alan has 500/501 Gen 2 SS gear sleeves and had 505/506 Gen 2 SS gear sleeves.  The 505/501 are course threads and the 505/506 are fine thread gear sleeves.  He, as well as I, have the 500/501 SS gear sleeves and we both have the metal and Carbontex under gear washers.  If you are planning to order drag kits from me, it's easier for the both of us if I fulfill your order that way we both don't have to send something out.  

We are all our to 505/506 gear sleeves, so if you would like to purchase one, I think you will need to purchase it from MysticParts.com.

Please send me a PM with your final order, and also let me know if you would like a SS anti-reverse dog as well.

Thank you,
Bryan

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: theluckpusher on December 30, 2015, 08:00:21 PM
i down for 3 set --- out of town for work will PM you when i get back in town next week


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Hoochrip on January 02, 2016, 06:18:10 AM
Bryan,
Got a gear sleeve from Alan C and receive your drag kit but need under gear washer for a gen 2 sleeve and I'll grab 2 ss dogs 2 yokes if you have them. Sorry paid on invoice before knowing where I had to get the under washer. Will do PayPal.
Thanks,
Mark


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Hoochrip on January 05, 2016, 10:43:28 AM
Yes, Do you know if Alan has the 505 gen 2 sleeves fine or coarse? Wasn't sure if I had to get the washer from you or Alan.
Thanks,
Mark
Hi Mark,

Alan has 500/501 Gen 2 SS gear sleeves and had 505/506 Gen 2 SS gear sleeves.  The 505/501 are course threads and the 505/506 are fine thread gear sleeves.  He, as well as I, have the 500/501 SS gear sleeves and we both have the metal and Carbontex under gear washers.  If you are planning to order drag kits from me, it's easier for the both of us if I fulfill your order that way we both don't have to send something out.  

We are all our to 505/506 gear sleeves, so if you would like to purchase one, I think you will need to purchase it from MysticParts.com.

Please send me a PM with your final order, and also let me know if you would like a SS anti-reverse dog as well.

Thank you,
Bryan

See above post


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on January 06, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Bryan,
Got a gear sleeve from Alan C and receive your drag kit but need under gear washer for a gen 2 sleeve and I'll grab 2 ss dogs 2 yokes if you have them. Sorry paid on invoice before knowing where I had to get the under washer. Will do PayPal.
Thanks,
Mark

Hi Mark,

PayPal invoice was just sent.  Thank you.

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Hoochrip on January 08, 2016, 07:11:55 AM
Thanks Bryan, payment sent


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on January 08, 2016, 07:39:03 AM
Thanks Bryan, payment sent
Thanks.  Drag kits was dropped in the mail this morning.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: sdlehr on January 18, 2016, 08:22:16 PM
Bryan, PM sent!
Sid


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Hoochrip on February 16, 2016, 04:15:18 PM
Bryan,
Looking for a fine thread 1st or 2nd gen jigmaster ss gear sleeve, gen 2 perfered, would you have one? Also, 5+1 drag set plus any other washers needed for gen 2 if you can find one and a ss dog. I can do PayPal.
Thanks,
Mark


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 21, 2016, 10:11:37 AM
Bryan this is the drag configuration in my Newell 332-5.  Does the 5+1 work?  Also I read that a delrin washer under the main gear is the way to smooth out the drag range without sacrificing top end drag results.  Does this match your results?  If so, where to you get them?

Thanks!
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_6588_zps8ytgetzv.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_6588_zps8ytgetzv.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Newell Nut on February 21, 2016, 12:38:45 PM
Andy

That drag stack is not right. What you need for an upgrade is Bryan's 5 stack drag kit including the Belleville. PM me your address and I can send to you the delrin washers. You can use a .030 Delrin under the gear and usually the .020 under the Belleville and it will all bolt to the side plate okay. Using the wider Newell Belleville may bind up on you.

Buy the kit directly from Bryan.

Dwight


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Sharkin904 on February 21, 2016, 01:01:53 PM
Are these still in production?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Alto Mare on February 21, 2016, 02:57:26 PM
Bryan this is the drag configuration in my Newell 332-5.  Does the 5+1 work?  Also I read that a delrin washer under the main gear is the way to smooth out the drag range without sacrificing top end drag results.  Does this match your results?  If so, where to you get them?

Thanks!
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/photoHumboldt/IMG_6588_zps8ytgetzv.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/photoHumboldt/media/IMG_6588_zps8ytgetzv.jpg.html)
Here is a shot of the best layout for my jigmasters , it should work in your newell as well.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/20160221_064201.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/20160221_064201.jpg.html)
As Newell Nut mentioned .30 Delrin for under the gear ( 5 ) .50mm carbon fiber washers and  ( 5 ) metal washers...Bryan's kit. I do replace the keyed washer on top, with a thicker stock keyed washer.
The belleville on top is also Delrin, here is where I get it from...very reasonable in cost:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#3573a17/=1185qgf

Sal


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: steelhead_killer on February 21, 2016, 03:08:23 PM
Thanks Sal!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Alto Mare on February 21, 2016, 03:19:07 PM
To me the metal Belleville on top is too stiff, drags on all my star reels start very softly, even the larger reels. This layout as I'm showing helps it.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on February 21, 2016, 03:47:26 PM
Are these still in production?
Yes, I still have these kits available.  Please send me a PM with the number of kits you will need and I'll send you a paypal invoice for the purchase of the drag kits.

Thank you,
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: steelhead_killer on March 01, 2016, 03:28:56 PM
Installed your 5+1 kit with Delrin under the main and below the belville and this drag is super strong and smooooooooth!  Thanks Bryan!  I may try the Delrin Belville next...


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on March 01, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
Killer!!!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: broadway on March 01, 2016, 06:53:27 PM
Hey Sal,
   I'm not a Newell guy, but was wondering if you do the same for Senators and other Penn reels.  If so, what size do you recommend for the 112h and 113h?
Thanks for bringing these to our attention
Dom


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Alto Mare on March 01, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Hey Sal,
   I'm not a Newell guy, but was wondering if you do the same for Senators and other Penn reels.  If so, what size do you recommend for the 112h and 113h?
Thanks for bringing these to our attention
Dom
Hey Dom,
Here is what I use and yes, I do recommend them:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#3573a17/=11cxp2c
Sizes are very limited on those, for the 112H they drop right in.
For the 113H, you will need to enlarge the hole by 1/16".
For the Squidder size, you will need to reduce the Outer Diameter by 1/8".
I use Delrin washers on all my reels.
A very knowledgeable member mentioned that the washer above  might get too hot, this one will need to be tested on the water, my tests here are limited.

The Delrin for under the gear has been doing great, I've gradually been getting reports from members about it.
The larger reels get a flat Delrin and not as I'm showing above. That washer could sit right under the top-hat, if the reel doesn't come with a top-hat, it would sit under the last metal washer on the very top.

Sal


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: broadway on March 01, 2016, 11:46:11 PM
That's great Sal... I will have to pick a few up for the 112h's and test them in the spring.
I appreciate it,
Dom


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on March 04, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
Hi Joe,

I'll send you a PayPal invoice when I get back home.
Thank you,
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: daddyhoit on March 06, 2016, 11:44:45 AM
I could use 2 sets of these!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Newell Nut on March 06, 2016, 03:54:08 PM
I have been using these drags ever since Bryan introduced them in my Newells and I do about 90 fishing trips a year so they get a good test. Never a single problem.

Dwight


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Queensfisher on March 10, 2016, 06:09:35 PM
Hi Brian I could use a set . Going to pm you thanks


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Swami805 on April 29, 2016, 03:06:04 AM
Heiil, I can use 3 sets, I PMed you but don't know if you got it. Thanks


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: anglingarchitect on April 29, 2016, 07:34:14 AM
At least over stressed reels don't blow up in your face like over preasure guns.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Gfish on May 05, 2016, 08:28:02 PM
Bryan
Can you or someone else lemme know how to order a 5+1 stack for my jigmaster 500 from you? I have pay pal. It's an older version w/ a steel main gear n' coarse threads. And can I get a delrin undergear washer with it?, if not, it's ok. Oh, by the way, this's my 1st "official" post. I'm a 60 yr. old guy who transplanted himself to the Island of Kaua'i, HI, and 95% a my fishing now-days is from a Kayak on the south side, over reefs usually in less than 150 ft. Of water. Trolling, casting & jigging for uku( grey snapper), ulua(G. Trevally), omilu(bluefin trevally, kaku(barracuda) and the awesome light tackle sport- needlefish( almost impossible to hook in their solid bone & tooth mouths). Thanks ahead-a-time for any replies. Gfish


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on May 05, 2016, 09:11:29 PM
Aloha GFish,

ReelNauti Kauai carries my drag kits. I have a gentlemen's agreement not to sell on the island to help promote local small businesses.

I hope you understand

Thank you,
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Gfish on May 06, 2016, 10:48:55 AM
Yeah, thanks B.Y., gotta  love dem small bidnesses! I'll give 'em a call today. Kaua'i is slowly getting more a the chain/corporation type stores. Mahalo again for your help. Gfish


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Sushiallday on May 18, 2016, 09:32:51 PM
Hey Bryan,
Id like to buy 3 sets of your newell 5+1.
Let me know if there still available.thanks


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: got2phish on June 11, 2016, 10:31:43 AM
Bryan,

Can you send me a Paypal invoice for 1 set (P322). Also, what would the cost be for just the carbon washers only as replacements.

renogc@att.net


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: mo65 on June 14, 2016, 02:13:27 PM
Are these drag washer sets currently available? ???


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Bryan Young on June 20, 2016, 10:54:59 AM
Are these drag washer sets currently available? ???
These kits will be available this week.  I have had a few large orders from my retailers and am awaiting Carbontex washers from SmoothDrag.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: mo65 on June 20, 2016, 04:34:31 PM
Are these drag washer sets currently available? ???
These kits will be available this week.  I have had a few large orders from my retailers and am awaiting Carbontex washers from SmoothDrag.

Bryan, I ordered a set the same day I posted that first message. I had also PM'ed you...and you answered the PM. I bet you didn't recognize both messages were the same guy. I got 'em in the mail today...they look great...thanks!  ;D


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Delcampo on June 21, 2016, 05:48:17 PM
PM'd you for one set.  Thanks


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: steelhead_killer on June 29, 2016, 06:31:15 AM
Bryan:

     Could you invoice me for another 5+1 set for a Newell 300 series?

Thanks!

Andy


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Wolf on July 17, 2016, 03:00:14 PM
Would like 1 set for 200 and 2 sets for 300 if they are still availible I pm d you last week thanks Wolf


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Theman772 on July 30, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
Hi I would like to get some drag kits for some reason I pm and then my in out box is empty?
626-319-9811


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: day0ne on July 30, 2016, 01:31:32 PM
Hi I would like to get some drag kits for some reason I pm and then my in out box is empty?
626-319-9811

When you send a PM, you have to check a box at the bottom to save a copy in your Out Box


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on August 02, 2016, 08:49:40 PM
I'm restocked.  The bad news, my laser cutter had raised prices after 3 years.  The drag kits are now $29 shipped.  Still not a bad price for bringing your older Newell reels to today's drag standards.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: Jammer on September 23, 2016, 05:05:50 PM
Hey Bryan,
It's Been a couple of years, hope things are going well, anyways can I buy 2 sets of your penn 500 5 drag upgrade kits.
Thanks,
Jammer


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $27
Post by: dmessler on October 19, 2016, 07:42:26 AM
Hello Sir,

Are these kits in stock now?  Also where can I source SS gear sleeve fro Newell P322?

Thanks,
Dave


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on March 30, 2017, 03:44:28 PM
Drag kits are back in stock. 


Title: Re: 5+1 Drag Stack for Penn 500/501 reels and Newell 200, 300, and 400 Series
Post by: b houlihan on April 14, 2017, 06:15:58 PM
Drag sets are in. I'll start invoicing those who are interested shortly.
how do i order a drag stack


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Hori-ble on May 02, 2017, 05:09:32 AM
Aloha Bryan,

If you have 2 penn 500 kits, I'd gladly take them off of your hands.  Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Chrishb7 on May 14, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
Sent a pm for a order of drags


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: lenKHMC on May 21, 2017, 05:04:20 PM
how do I get a set of these?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on May 21, 2017, 05:09:24 PM
how do I get a set of these?
Please send me a PM with your name, address and telephone number and I'll mail out the drag kit(s).

Thank you.

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: lenKHMC on May 23, 2017, 05:00:05 AM
I need two sets ASAP. Can you help me find?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: lenKHMC on May 23, 2017, 05:03:56 AM
not familiar with PM on this board. Help!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on May 23, 2017, 09:28:03 AM
I see you found it. 😁

Personal Messages can be located under "My Messages" located in he site's menu bar


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Azar on July 30, 2017, 02:58:58 PM
Would one of these kits work on a Penn 210? Also, what is the difference between this kit and the kit offered by smooooth drag for the 500? Please excuse me if I missed this if it were explained earlier in the thread


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on August 14, 2017, 04:14:09 PM
I'm sorry for not responding earlier. I was traveling and then thisnpost didn't show up on my feed for some reason.

This kit will fit the 210. It's not indicated because there so few 210s that I missed it.

Anyway, the difference between my kit and the kit from SmoothDrag or Pen HT-100 kits are this is a 5-stack system whereas the Smoothdrag and HT-100 kits are 3-stack systems.

You may purchase them from a MysticParts.com.

Thank you for your interest.

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: fishmeluck on January 04, 2018, 02:11:05 AM
I was sorry to hear about the trouble you just had, Bryan, when you told me about the theft of my drag kit off the postal truck, but I didn't know how many shipments were stolen until I read your post in ">For Sale>Ultimate Upgrades..." That just made it so much more awful. Jeez, I dislike thieves.

The thing is, I've been wanting to update this thread with some lessons learned while upgrading quite a few drags using your Ultimate Upgrades. The timing might not be great, as I'm sure you are distracted, but here goes anyway.

First, here's a list of reels I've already upgraded, or are in the process of upgrading:
Penn 146, to 5-stack
Penn 145, to 5-stack
Penn 501, to 5-stack
Penn 99, to 5-stack
Penn 113H, to 7-stack
Penn 114H, to 7-stack
Daiwa 400H, to 5-stack
Newell C220, to 5-stack
Newell S229-5, to 5-stack
Newell S332-5, to 5-stack (soon)
Newell S338-5, to 5-stack
Newell S533-4.6, to 5-stack (soon)

Now, these reels were not all upgraded at once, and all of them have other upgrades as well. I've fished six of them so far post-upgrade, and plan to fish all of them eventually. They all worked extremely well, except the Penn 501. Which is how I learned (or more accurately, relearned) something to watch out for when doing these drag upgrades.

Around Thanksgiving, I was shallow water rockfishing at San Nicolas Island with 8-10 oz of lead using the 501 on a 30# rig and the 99 on a 40# rig. What happened was, while setting drag, it was significantly harder to get 9 lb of drag from the Penn 501 than it was to get 12# of drag from the Penn 99.

During my Christmas vacation, I've been doing more upgrades, particularly several of the Newells. But, before starting, I wanted to get to the bottom of the problem with the Penn 501. What I found eventually, was pretty simple but easy to miss. The steel gear I put in the 501 did not have the grooves (for the eared washers) cut all the way down to the flat in the bottom of the gear-cup, where the first CF washer sits. The grooves were cut just far enough down for a standard CF-keyed washer-CF combo to raise the first eared washer up into the groove, allowing the eared washer to compress the stack below it, without bottoming in the groove. However, when the standard CF-keyed washer-CF combo was replaced with the thinner parts from the Ultimate Upgrades kit, the eared washer would bottom in the grooves before compressing the CF-keyed washer-CF combo underneath it. I was able to resolve the problem by adding some thickness to the CF-keyed washer-CF stack that goes into the gear first.

I don't recall now exactly how the problem was resolved in every reel since I figured out the Penn 501, but some ways to increase the thickness included changing the initial, thin-thin-thin, stack as follows:
1) std CF-thin keyed washer-thin CF
2) std CF-thin CF-thin keyed washer-thin CF
3) std CF washer-std keyed washer-thin CF
4) std CF-std keyed washer-std CF

It took some trial and error, because the steel gears, even the SS gears in the Newells, did not have the grooves all cut to the same depth, not even to the same depth on both sides of the same gear. Basically, I would put in Stacks 1), 2), 3), or 4) and use a small punch to check the height of the stack vs the height of the groove-bottom. If the height of the Stack was above the height of the groove-bottom, then the eared washer would be free to compress the stack. When I got the stack just right, as it seemed to be on the Newell C220 and S229, it was amazing how quickly and effortlessly I could get the drag up to 10-15 lbs.

Of course, another option would have been to Dremel the groove-bottom deeper in the gear, but having done that about a year ago with the gear in the Penn 113H, I did not want to go that route again. The steel gears are tough, it was very hard to do, it took a long time, and a few times it seemed I might ruin the gear, ruin my Dremel, or injure myself. [And so yes, I did encounter this problem at least a year earlier, but somehow it failed to register with me a year later when upgrading the Penn 501.]

OK, a few lessons learned here:
1) The drag upgrade kits are great, however, every reel is a little different. The good news is that there is room to play around a bit with the drag stack if need be.
2) If the drag upgrade does not make it extremely easy to get the drag up to 10-15 lbs, then something is not right in the drag stack, and take a close look at the depth of the grooves in the gear-cup.
3) If the grooves in the gear (for the eared washers) are not cut all the way down to the bottom of the gear-cup, check to make sure the first CF-eared washer-CF, or whatever you replace it with, clears the height of the groove-bottom.

That's it. I'm sure it could be said in fewer words, but I'm not known for fewer words. :D



Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Swami805 on January 04, 2018, 06:09:27 AM
Thanks for that, but be careful with your newells. Looks like they all have graphite spools. With the drag at 15lbs the spool can break in half and push the spindle thru the side plate. Ask me how I know. The 500 series should be ok but the smaller ones(200 &300 series) are good until about 10lbs can fail at 15lbs. I have the kits in my newells and they're buttery smooth. The graphite spools are great for casting distance for 20-40 mono not for heavy braid, get some aluminum spools. Also on the 500's I think you can get up to about 20lbs of drag.
When those reels were designed I don't think they envsioned CF drags and braided line. I have a herd of them and fish the heck out of them but I've broken a few too pushing them beyond their limits.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on January 04, 2018, 07:31:10 AM
Thanks Paul and Sheridan.  Great information.

I run into the same problems with many reels even using Pennís replacement HT-100 drags because as you said (Paul), the slot depth can be different even in the same gear.

Luckily for me, I have a The same size washers in different thicknesses. It can be more challenging for others.  Itís hard to make an easy drop in kit for all reels, and I hope at lease itís a drop in kit for 95+% of the reels.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: fishmeluck on January 04, 2018, 10:09:38 PM
Thanks Sheridan and Bryan.

Sheridan, I plan to put 40# braid and 25# mono topshot on the C220 and the S229, so overdoing it on the drag won't be a problem. On the S332 and S338, it is 65# braid and 40# mono. They probably will see 12# of drag. The S533 is loaded with all 50# mono, and it has a Tiburon frame. I'm not worried about the S533, even at 60# line, which it probably won't see. It's only the S332 and S338 I'm concerned about. Not that I want to push the envelope as far as you have, but I would love to hear exactly how you broke some of your graphite Newell spools.

You know, there are only two screws fastening each side-plate inner-ring to the base which is clamped to the rod. That means all loads applied to the side plates are transmitted via four screws in the base; on each side of the base those screws are only 1.25" apart. Structurally, I would not say it's not a great setup to go up more than one line class. With Tiburon frames though, it likely would not a problem to go up two line classes in the 200/300 series reels.

Here are a few more thoughts about the Newells. At first, I balked at Alan T.'s $38 for a SS arm with kokelar grips. Then, I looked online at the price of original Newell handles. They go for $35-$39. So, how much am I really losing, if I upgrade all my reel handles and sell off all the original handles? Or, why not put the longer 300 series graphite handles on the 200 series reels, and sell the 200 series handles? Then I wondered, how much is a new Tiburon frame kit? About $65. How much would a set of Newell base, bars, and clamp sell for? About $40-$55.  Heh, heh, there's no end to this is there?

Bryan, aside from the reels listed in my previous post, I've been buying and selling reels on Ebay for nigh on three years now, keeping steel gears, power handles, rings in good condition, and other desirable parts, then servicing and reselling reels I didn't want to keep. And, with all the drag upgrades, I've acquired quite the collection of CF and metal washers. Not as many as you have, but usually enough to play with and get the job done.

One reason I wanted to post what I did was to let others know that if the drop in kit didn't work perfectly at first, not to get frustrated because they have options. The drop in kit is just what it needs to be, but the reels they go into were produced for decades, and there can be significant variation. At the very least, everyone must remove the existing stack of thicker CF and metal washers, so they will necessarily have a few standard thickness parts at least to work with. If this was too easy, it would not be as much fun. That is how I look at it.  ;D


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Swami805 on January 04, 2018, 11:09:28 PM
1st one I blew up was a g332 with izor 30lb. We were at clipperton island and tuna fishing was bad so we got in the skiffs a brought some jig rods to screw around with on the way to landing on the island. Saw a splash, threw an iron at it zing-pow spool split and went thru the side plate. The other was a Gadalupe island 35kts of wind and super scratchy. Flylined a sardine on 20lb izor just to get bit. got a yellowfin to deep color zing-pow spool split and went completely thru the right side plate. Clearly in both cases I was way undergunned but was using mono both times at the line rating for the reel. I kind of think the 220 just got too hot on the clicker side and the heat was a big factor likely the bearing went bad. I had that thing on for well over an hour. Never knew what i hooked at clipperton,likely some kind of ulua.
Just be careful with graphite spools, I still use them because I like the extra distance. A 5 stack in those is a bit of overkill but hey are super smooth. I've been lucky that Bryan's drag kits always just dropped right in for me. Thanks for posting for when it eventually occurs.
Love my Newells!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on January 04, 2018, 11:15:21 PM
Sheridan, were you fishing with mono on both occurrences or braid with mono tops?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Swami805 on January 05, 2018, 06:16:55 AM
I had 30lb braid on the 220 and all mono on the 332. It was also izor line that's usually tests a little higher that what's on the label.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on January 05, 2018, 06:46:16 AM
I had 30lb braid on the 220 and all mono on the 332. It was also izor line that's usually tests a little higher that what's on the label.
Thanks Sheridan for sharing your experiences with graphite spools.  I've never had a problem myself, but you have put in much more Newell fishing time in than I.  I have my 220 loaded with 50# braid with a 25# top shot.  I fish this reel with 10# max drag and have not had a problem yet...the word is yet.  My other 220 has 20# test and fish that at 3#-7# of drag.  I don't this this will be too much of a problem.

My 300 Series are rigged with 65# braid with 30#-35# top shot.  Prior to that, the reels were filled with 30# mono.  I too have not had any issues...Yet.  We'll see how this fairs...


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Newell Nut on January 05, 2018, 07:48:46 AM
I have fished my Newells really hard for 500 trips and 20 lb of drag and no issues so Bryan you will be okay. I loaned Capt George a 220 just for cobia fishing and he caught loads of them and no issue. Mono on all of my Newells.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Swami805 on January 05, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
Where those graphite spools or aluminum? I'd think 20lbs on aluminum  would be fine, I'd be a little hesitant with 20lbs on graphite. Just my expieience.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: MolBasser on April 13, 2018, 02:40:15 PM
Just bought this kit from MysticParts.  

I'm curious about how you go about measuring max drag, just out of curiosity.

MolBasser


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on April 13, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
Hi Mol,

To measure max drag is commonly measured with a spring scale, like ones used to weigh your catch by tiring your line off to the hook of the scale.



Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: MolBasser on April 13, 2018, 06:00:00 PM
I mean do you just wrench down on the star and then pull the line with a scale?

lol.

I've never put my drags to a max test and now all of a sudden it interests me.

MolBasser


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: MolBasser on April 17, 2018, 08:00:40 AM
Just got my kit!  wo0t!

I also got a double dog bridge and side plates...... Building the beast.

MolBasser


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: handi2 on April 17, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
I mean do you just wrench down on the star and then pull the line with a scale?

lol.

I've never put my drags to a max test and now all of a sudden it interests me.

MolBasser


I use a Shimano spring scale secured in a vise. Donít tighten the drag all the way. You need to warm up the drags to get a true reading. Use a lower drag setting and pull line out several times. Then tighten some more and pull before tightening all the way. You may find you dont want to tighten all the if the drag is sufficient. Be careful because things can break with it locked down.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Newell Nut on May 07, 2018, 03:23:29 PM
Be careful looking for max drag. You can make things go bad when working on the edge. I tested a max drag for one of our suppliers several months ago and the spool shaft flexed enough that the Tiburon spool carved a groove in the Tiburon frame. That was a bad experience. Alan covered the loss but lesson learned is to be cautious looking for max.

Dwight


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Caseymcv on May 23, 2018, 01:20:45 PM
Iím looking for a drag kit for  my G220-F?
Whatís available?


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on May 23, 2018, 09:32:51 PM
The drag kits are available at https://www.hifishgear.com/collections/reel-gear/products/ultimateupgrade51fornewell200-400series or https://m.ebay.com/itm/NEWELL-REEL-ULTIMATE-UPGRADE-5-1-DRAG-SYSTEM-220-229-235/142791111947?hash=item213f03750b:g:cOsAAOSwKT9a5~n- 


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Pappy on June 03, 2018, 01:24:58 PM
If I were to upgrade my Newell S229-5 and my S332.5 to the 5+1 drag stack, what would the estimated drag pressure increase to for each reel? And what other parts would be recommended to install? I canít seem to let go of my Newellís due to the great casting theyíre known for!


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on June 03, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
Hello Pappy,

First of all, I personally do not recommend upgrading the drags on the 229 and 235 for max drag capabilities.  The frames are likely to twist or spools warp.

With that said, on my 332, I can get max 24# of drag at full spool. I normally fish it at 10-15# depending on my top shot (30-50# mono on top of 50# braid).  I have not confirmed the max drag on my 220 because I still have a 3-stack Carbontex drag kit in all of my remaining 200 sizes Newells.

I hope this helps.
Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Pappy on June 03, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
Thanks Bryan,  with your info Iíll just upgrade the S332-5. Iíll go with the 5+1 stack. I believe you mentioned the website in this thread so Iíll go there and order it. Do you recommend any other upgrade parts I should add? Do you think I need a SS gear sleeve? I appreciate the info.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: fishmeluck on June 08, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
First of all, I personally do not recommend upgrading the drags on the 229 and 235 for max drag capabilities.  The frames are likely to twist or spools warp.

Bryan

Hi Brian,

I've upgraded my C220 and S229 w/ your drag kits and Cortez gear sleeves. They're spooled with 40 lb braid and 25 lb mono top shots. I know the drags are capable of supporting higher line classes for the top shots, but like you, I'm leery of pushing the frames or spools too far. My feeling is, I'm being too conservative. How hard do you push your 229?

Paul


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Pappy on June 08, 2018, 07:13:45 PM
Bryan, just to make sure were talking about the same model of the 332, mine is the "S" model with the graphite spool. Is yours the same, or does yours have the alluminum spool? Im concerned about packing the braid on a graphite spool.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on June 08, 2018, 07:15:39 PM
Hi Paul,

I normally fish my 229 with a max drag of 10#.  Hope this helps.

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on June 08, 2018, 07:21:36 PM
Bryan, just to make sure were talking about the same model of the 332, mine is the "S" model with the graphite spool. Is yours the same, or does yours have the alluminum spool? Im concerned about packing the braid on a graphite spool.
Hi Pappy,

I have 40# or 50# braid on my graphite spool lines with 10# of drag. You should not have a problem with the graphite spool with braid. You will likely have more problems with mono because it stretches if lined too tight.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Swami805 on June 08, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
At it's heart it was made as a 20lb reel, You can go heavier as you eliminate the weak links. 25 seems reasonable maybe up to 40 at the very top end. After that capacity becomes an issue and a larger reel would be better. Personally I like it as a 20lb reel with stock cf drags.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Pappy on June 08, 2018, 07:26:36 PM
Bryan, thanks for all your help. I received the 5+1 stack drags. Can't wait to rebuild and get it back in the game for some Yellowtail!  


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Brendan on November 28, 2018, 08:27:29 PM
I ordered a kit for a 500 series Newell from the above link and noticed they were out of stock for the smaller reels. Are they going to recieve more kits?
Thankís, Brendan.


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Bryan Young on November 28, 2018, 09:11:05 PM
Hi Brendan,

All suppliers have been restocked. They should have the stock posted shortly.

Thank you,

Bryan


Title: Re: Newell 200/300/400Series,Penn112H&Jigmasters,&ProGear 255/251 5+1Drag - $29
Post by: Brendan on November 29, 2018, 05:28:24 AM
     Perfect.
Thank You, Brendan.


Title: Newell 300 series SS washers
Post by: chunkman on January 10, 2019, 06:31:09 AM
Bryan I would like to purchase 2 sets of SS washers for the 5+1 Drag system.
I only need the SS washers and not the Carbontex washers.
Can you tell me if you sell them or anyone that does carry the 5 washer set and the cost/set.
Thanks
Rich