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« Reply #75 on: January 01, 2018, 12:38:38 AM »

I've been using the Magron product from South Korea . Its effectively the same product that Daiwa use , out of the same factory , just branded differently .

It works just fine but its bloody expensive . At $60 (AU) for 0.5 ml  Undecided  , thats $120,000 per liter . Extortion .
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« Reply #76 on: January 30, 2018, 03:42:04 AM »

It has been established that Globeride (Daiwa parent company) has a stake in Ferrotec:
https://www.breammaster.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=61253&page=2
 so I suspect it is a Ferrotec product that Daiwa is using.  Therefore by deduction the Korean fluid is more than likely Ferrotec fluid expensively repackaged!
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« Reply #77 on: January 30, 2018, 12:55:59 PM »

I noticed this on Ebay (UK)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFH1-Ferrofluid-20-ml-with-nitrile-gloves-and-pipette/122340562790?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Much cheaper, but don't know about the quality/spec Undecided
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« Reply #78 on: January 31, 2018, 02:35:03 AM »


I would have pretty much bet my left one that it was water based, made safe for the kiddies to play with.  However the listing says "light" hydrocarbon, which I personally would avoid due evaporation.
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« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2021, 06:42:18 PM »


So I looked at that....and it is ~$9 for 650 **micro liters** before shipping....and not at all certain that the speaker stuff is good to use on spinning parts (ie seal rotor to pinion assembly...) despite what some reviewer is saying....

That comes out to $450 per ounce....but you probably would save on shipping!

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Hi John,
That 650uL will service the pinion seals on about 15-20 2000size reels,  you don't need to buy this stuff by the drum!  Seeing as you can't get the "real thing" from Daiwa the Ferrotec stuff is actually priceless  Cheesy
"The speaker stuff" is exactly what we are all using for the pinion seal, and I am still waiting for someone to pipe up and say it has failed.
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I would be more interested in how much to service a 5000 and 6500 sized reel...?

The early mag-sealed Daiwas have had plenty of trouble with the oil staying where it should and (as above) drying out on unsuspecting fishos leading to corrosion trouble. Since then their fluid seems to have gotten better, which is why I am cautious about using speaker oil, it may not  be the ideal spec for the SW environment and fishing reels.

I, of course, have no actual negative experience as yet.

ATM this is the best product/info we have, from page 3 of this thread:

"I got a reply from Ferrotec Industries USA:

Their chemists seem to think there would be no reason why the APG L11 class ferrofluid wouldnt work to lubricate magnetic ball bearings.
They did mention they produce a class of ferrofluid especially for this which is very similar almost identical in makeup and ingredients to the APG L11 fluid.
I wonder if theyre referring to the fluid they manufacture for Daiwa?

The APG L11 fluid is the one I selected for Unobtainoil to replace Magseal oil, it seems it may also be satisfactory for lubing the mag bearing."

Unless someone else finds something more suitable, this is the only game in town  Huh?
I would guess that you should get at least 5+ services from 650uL.  When a single SS bearing costs you $10, it ain't that bad?
Tell you what, if someone wants to rid themselves of their troublesome high-end Daiwa's, I can offer them a token rebate to accept them for recycling   Grin
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Steve


FWIW, I reached out to Ferrotec last year and got this reply when inquiring about Ferrofluid replacement for my Fuego LT:

"There are two different companies who supply to Daiwa.  The ferrofluid supplied by Ferrotec is directly shipped to Daiwa from our manufacturing facility in Japan.  I do not know which exact fluid that was being used in your model.  By guessing, it could be APG E26.  (APG E26 is synthetic hydrocarbon oil based.  APG L11 is ester oil based.  I would prefer APG E26.)  I have heard positive feedback from others who had done retrofit with APG E26, but please be aware that there is no guarantee that APG E26 would work on yours."

I may see if I can order a sample. Foolishly, after tearing the reel down back then (and making a magseal oil mess before wiping it all away), I put it back together and continued fishing it...LOL. Just opened it back up a couple days ago and found that the magnet in the magseal plate is now deteriorating and has slightly corroded, rusted and swelled (I'm sure from the saltwater contact). The magseal plate replacement part (J68-8201) will run me around $17 after shipping so the whole thing will likely cost just over $30.

Sending it to Daiwa for repair would cost $30 minimum, and there's a chance they could bump that up depending on what they assess. They could determine that part J68-8201 is not in scope of their basic repair structure, and charge me $20 more and make it a $50 repair. Not sure I want to go that route, and they're unwilling to give quotes over email/phone without first seeing the reel Sad   


EDIT: Just saw what you wrote here
However the listing says "light" hydrocarbon, which I personally would avoid due evaporation.\

The Ferrotec rep said "APG E26 is synthetic hydrocarbon oil based" so it sounds like his recommendation to use E26 maybe isn't so great? Since L11 seems to be the 'tried and true' here, it sounds like that's probably the way to go.

On that note: how have your guys' reels been holding up?
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« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2021, 03:54:56 AM »

Update from the Ferrotec rep/tech:

"Both synthetic hydrocarbon oil and synthetic ester oil have a low evaporation rate (in terms of 10^‐7 g/cm2 sec at 175 deg C)"

Thoughts? Should I try the E26 out then?
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