alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial TUTORIAL: Pro Gear Wahoo Specials, Model PG461
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2010, 04:57:09 PM »

Thanks for clearing up the lube situation... I'm gonna give it a go on the next reel I crack open. Thanks
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2010, 11:58:14 AM »

This was the drag washer under the main gear of my Wahoo special which as far as I know had never been opened, it looks like some sort of fiber weave impregnated with resin and baked, very shiny surface, almost reminds me of circuit board material.  Anyone ever see one of these in their Pro Gear?  I replaced with a carbon fiber one that was under the main gear in a 551, it was thicker and I think I might have to put something thinner in as the drag ramps up too quick.

That original washer was so shiny it must have had very low friction, with that setup the 461 would have less drag than the 551. With identical configs I think they are capable of identical drags, though 551 have slightly more surface area so...?  My scale broke I still need to get one for some tests.
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2010, 10:41:13 AM »

yeah, seen those before. i just throw them away and install a carbon fiber drag washer. 
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2010, 03:25:33 PM »

I replaced with a carbon fiber one that was under the main gear in a 551, it was thicker and I think I might have to put something thinner in as the drag ramps up too quick.
It will be fine.  Once you set the drag, you normally should not not fiddle with it anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2011, 01:44:50 AM »

I had the same washer on my WS and like Alan said, I just pitched it and replaced it with a carbon fiber.

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2011, 01:29:09 AM »

Hi, Bryan;
When you replaced the drag washers to carbon fiber, did you double up on one of the washers or did you also add an extra metal washer to go with the extra carbon fiber? There's 3 of the original washers and 4 of the carbon fiber. Just Curious.

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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2011, 06:56:15 AM »

Hi David,

Sorry, I missed your posting.  I believe I had to double up on one of the washers, but I cannot remember.  I was doing 2 reels at a time.  Also, an update, one of the washers, the one on the top, was replaced with one with a smaller ID.  I am trying to find the specs on the washer, but I just could not.  I'll have to find one so that I don't have to open up the Wahoo Special to measure it.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2011, 04:47:47 PM »

Is this the same company who made the Oceanus lever drag reel? and if so, were they ever related (manufacturer) to Jigging Master reels? Any info greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2011, 09:56:47 PM »

Yes, it is the same company as the one that makes the Oceanus reels.

I'm no expert, but I believe that PG got together with JM to exhange ideas, and PG was allowed to copy the handle design.  Likewise, I believe that JM borrowed some ideas from PG and incorporated it into their reels.  PGs are definietly made here in USA.  JM is maid in Asia.  Separate companies, but open to sharing ideas.

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2011, 01:32:00 PM »

Very interesting. Yes, I can see a lot of similarities with the Oceanus and the JM reels. Thanks for your reply Bryan.
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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2011, 03:17:29 PM »

JM reels have a double drag system that PG cannot implement because Accurate has a patent here in the US.  I wonder if I find the same sized JM reel, I could make a dual drag Oceanus?  Hmmm.
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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2011, 06:47:09 PM »

The more I see of these reels, the more they remind me of the first PENN TORQUE reels. I have a 200 and it also has been described as too heavy, but weight often goes with strength. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 01:15:29 AM »

Bryan:

DUDE, you got a jacked up! camera!

Nice work! Great detail!

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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2012, 11:53:27 AM »

Hey Bryan,
 
     I know this is an old thread, but I have a question.  How (with what tool) and where do you cut the bearing if necessary?
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2012, 01:46:37 PM »

We used a dremel to cut the outer race with a thin cutting blade, cut at 1/3 or 1/4 positions if you cannot get the clip out.  Now, I would probably use my pics.
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