Started by alantani, December 07, 2008, 04:27:21 PM
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QuoteAlan, Great job & welcome. I have a problem & I did not know where else to post this. I cannot remove the L.S. bearing in my recently purchased 20 year old Penn 30TW. I am not trying to save the bearing... just want it out. I pried the cover off so I could get pliers on the inner ring but it won't budge. Any suggestions? dcottle
QuoteAlan,The L.S. bearing I was having trouble extracting on the Penn 30TW popped out after baking @ 250 deg. for 15 min. then slapping on a board.Again Thanks.Darrell
Quote from: G.Billena on December 19, 2008, 07:15:55 AMIn regards to Ambassadeur 5500C foot#84-XXXX.Im wondering what are your views on upgrading the the worm drive to ball bearings as well as upgrading to a ball bearing idler gear.(seen at mikes reel repair)Will I be able to feel a big difference in performance or waste of money.
Quote ok, now this is even more bizarre. after reassemblying the bare spool, i'm back down to 15 seconds of freespool. this is after cleaning and lubing the bearings with corrosion x, then letting it sit for several months before finally completing this post. before shipping the reel out, i decided to give it one more try and lubed it up with this stuff. i took both bearing out, stacked one on top of the other, then added some of this stuff down through the bearings. the freespool time jumped from 15 seconds to 3 minutes. i'm going to have to take a closer look at this stuff.
Quote from: Caseyp on March 31, 2009, 03:36:17 PMAlan, After reading your posts, I have started servicing my own reels. Many thanks for all of the information and tutorials. I am no longer afraid to open up these devices. I do have a question about where you get replacement bearing shields. I troll for tunas on the east coast, and prefer to load all of my bearings with grease. Do you have a source for replacement shields for those bearings I open up? Reels are Penn International 30(old post style) 30Ts, 30Ss, 50(old post style) 50SW and shimano Tiagra 30s, and TLD25s. Got a couple of each... Thanks again! Casey
Quotehi alan, i was at ************** and we discussed that bearing issue. yes, you were mentioned and here's what i was told. supposedly the bearing manufacture feels the slightest grit/dust/particulate will damage the races causing the bearing to become inferior, therefore they'd rather risk "trapped water" then run an open bearing which may become "imperfect" due to environmental pollutants occurring inside the reel. i tired to remove the shield but there's no way i can use a sharp object to remove the clip. i wound up with a dremel and making a slit until the clip was cut and removed the shield. i'll start running an open bearing and see what happens....
QuoteI have a question about bearings with pressed in retainers. Your bearing tutorial didn't cover this. The bearing I am speaking of is for a Daiwa Luna 103, part# G43-1001. It sits under the clutch cam. I think it is a drive brearing and not freespool type of bearing. My plan is to stuff it with grease for protection but, once I remove the shield it is toast and I will have an open bearing for its life. My recollection is that you reccomend leaving the shields on drive bearings for protection. Is there a way of ensuring grease gets into the bearing without taking it apart?This is the second one I am replacing on this reel. I hate to essentially tear the entire reel down to get to it and then spend the $10 for a replacement bearing.Thanks
QuoteAlan, My brother and I own 8 or 9 Chronarch CH-100BSV reels. We mostly fish for speckled trout and redfish on the Texas coast. I'm sure you are familiar with the Shimano ARB shield-less bearings. I was a little skeptical at first, but these have performed very well for us. We rinse the reels with fresh water and apply Reel Magic after every saltwater exposure. Today I decided to clean one of the reels. I disassembled the reel and removed all four ball bearings. They were in great shape but I decided to give them a few minutes in my ultrasonic cleaner anyway. I put them in the ultrasonic cleaner inside of a glass baby food jar filled with lighter fluid. I ran them for a 5 minute cycle and it absolutely trashed the bearings. Only the spool bearings will actually turn and they feel like sandpaper. The other two are basically seized. I have a small, inexpensive(lower power) ultrasonic cleaner.What did I do here? Did the ultrasonic cleaner trash the Shimano ARB coating? Needless to say I was a little surprised with the outcome. I have had good luck with cleaning conventional SS bearings with this method.Regards,Mark
QuoteAlan, Thanks for the response. They were definitely not bad before I put them in. I soaked each one in lighter fluid for a few minutes and turned each one by hand under good lighting. I could see the inner and outer races clearly rotating. None of them ever felt and bit of roughness. I was very surprised then they came out so bad after the ultrasonic 'cleaning'. Is there a good chat board that I could try to see if anyone else has seen this?
QuoteI have been out in the garage checking out these bearings and I have to admit that I'm feeling pretty dumb right now. I was able to clean them and get them as smooth as new. I think I did not put them in the ultrasonic cleaner long enough and what I was feeling was dirt/salt in the bearing races. Thanks for your quick responses. Its carb cleaner and compressed air for me from now on!
Quote from: Roger on December 13, 2009, 11:32:26 PMHelp Mr. Wizard, Got the reel apart, really pretty simple. Everything looks good, had a bunch of old nasty grease inside. Got one question. What is the best way to get the spool bearings out? I've played with them for a little while but I don't want to get too rough and tear one up.
QuoteAlan,Thanks for the heads up on the Reel +I just re-tuned that green 5500 I pictured in that Abu Hot Rod thread... it's got 6 bearings (not counting the 4 in the handle). I have gotten 33 and one half bumps...not bad. That is using the same spin the spool with your finger test. I also put in a set of Boca Lightning Abec 5's in favor of the stock bearings. Granted a 5500 is a 3/8" less in width than a 6500, 33 bumps I think is safe to say is SMOKIN. I hope I can keep it under control on the river! I just put an Avail Mag Kit on my other hotrod 5500...looking forward to trying that this weekend.
Quote from: BigT on January 16, 2010, 10:58:26 AMHi Alan, I notice that the reels you've showcased so far are predominantly overhead reels but I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge about spinning reels too... hence my 2 questions if you're open to sharing your ideas around them?? Firstly, I've had conflicting suggestions about the lubing of clutch bearings in spin reels (I guess overheads would be much the same situation)... some manufacturers suggest a film coat of grease... some say no lubrication at all... all say don't use oil as it can cause the anti reverse to fail... etc, etc, etc. What would you recommend for clutch bearings? Secondly, a lot of spin reels these days have ridiculously small bearings in the line roller assembly. I've been packing them with grease for protection but again, what would you recommend please? Cheers, BigT
Quotewhat's your opinion of replacing the stainless bearings with ceramic or even titanium ones? There must be a downside to it or manufacturers would have jumped on them to make advertising claims of corrosion-proof virtually maintenance-free bearings that last forever! I value your opinions. Thanks for your efforts to make us more informed anglers. And I have had to replace a few bearings on my platinum reels in what seemed to be a short time frame. Cheers...Craig
Quote from: Nessie Hunter on April 19, 2011, 01:57:00 AMBobby, I may be able to shed a little light on that. I probably work on more small reels then most. I know I do a ton of upgrades to Ceramic #7 spool bearings....... Bass guys have a need for speed and bragging rights to how hot rodded their reels are!!I have a Lot of bass anglers & Guides in my friend/customer list..5 yrs ago almost all the reels had a long/full shaft that went from end cap to end cap.. Through the pinion gear.....Almost all had 2 bearings @ 3x10x4 mm one at each end up to 700 size round reels...But time marches on and they get more high tech each year... The last 5 yrs have had a lot of innovation and Copy Cat-ing in bass size reels... The reels with a short shaft (true freespool type) have 2 size bearings, the normal is a 3x10x4 at left plate and the short shaft has the second at rght end of spool/pinion,the shaft has a shoulder and bearing is held in with a shaft pin (dreaded, hated pin)... That one is a 5x11x4 bearing to fit the larger Shaft Dia there..You can tell by taking off the spool tension cap, if there is a T shaped plastic dead shaft (short) in it, instead of the end of the spool shaft. The reel has the 2 diff size bearings & short spool shaft... Or look at the particular schematic for that model....Now some Shimano, Daiwa etc etc reels have a full length shaft that goes from end to end.. BUT have a Pinion bearing also. This is again held at rght side of spool with that same dang hated shaft pin... (the shaft pin also engages the pinion gear) So these reels actually have 3 spool bearings. 2 @ 3x10x4 & 1 @ 5x11x4...Have to look at schematic or know the model.. I suffer from CRS and have not got up to speed on which is which.... So now you have 2 diff size spool bearings.. Lets go one step further.. The Core probably has a small Left side plate area, and takes a smaller bearing, 'I assume' (we all know what that means) that to keep some structural strength or less weight?? in a smaller size end cap/plate.? Left side Plate bearing = 3x8x4 for the smaller size end cap reels...Total ~ we now have 3 Bearing sizes in the newer model & smaller size (bass) Low Profile & round reels.....3x10x4 mm ~ 5x11x4 mm ~ 3x8x4 mm.............No way for my low budget, CRS suffering self, to keep up with them.... I need to make a list and keep it current... I often order bearings before I get the reels. For quick turn around.... So I sort of need to know what size and how many they take..A few years ago, I could get 3x10x4 for everything up to 700 size round reels -- Not any more!!!Poor Dawn!!! I have to look at schematics (which dont give size) and or rely on Dawn to know what goes where.... She is a blessing.......So that is why your getting 3 different Parts numbers at Shimano for Spool bearings...They really are diff sized bearings..... .
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