alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial PENN 420SS
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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2018, 01:22:03 AM »

The stock pinion looks as if the cut on the start of the shaft is a little rough. I would personally look at that and if it needs some filing to make a smooth running with the main.


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   I saw that too Joe, but it's out there where the grooves start, the main never contacts that part. I think that is from where they cut the gear, I tried filing that, it was like filing chromium. I don't think that brass main could do that that.
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« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2018, 05:00:29 PM »

I would be interested in knowing what you find in your final assembly.

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« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2018, 05:22:04 PM »

I would be interested in knowing what you find in your final assembly.

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   Sure thing Joe, I'll make a post about the reel when I get her finished. Thanks Sal for this tutorial...it's very helpful.
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2018, 11:39:49 AM »

The stock pinion looks as if the cut on the start of the shaft is a little rough. I would personally look at that and if it needs some filing to make a smooth running with the main.


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   I saw that too Joe, but it's out there where the grooves start, the main never contacts that part. I think that is from where they cut the gear, I tried filing that, it was like filing chromium. I don't think that brass main could do that that.
I'm with you on this, that part of the pinion never makes contact with the gear, so I'm guessing there was no need to waste time on it .
I do want to mention that on 1 or 2 reels, I had to sand it down a bit, it would get caught on the bushing a little. But that could have been caused by someone hitting it from the back side to get the bearing out...I do it as well.
By the way, I have a non threaded SS bolt with a nice head on it and about 4" in length, I use it to tap the pinion out when it's really stuck. It has always done a good job, but you need to be gentle with the taps.

I'm glad this was of some help to you Mo.

Sal
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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2018, 05:16:49 PM »

I dress both ends of the worm gear cut on every reassembly. Mainly to make sure there's no bind or friction in the oilites or bushings. A lot of the time there'll be a rough edge somewhere and it makes a big difference.
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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2018, 12:38:30 AM »

I dress both ends of the worm gear cut on every reassembly. Mainly to make sure there's no bind or friction in the oilites or bushings. A lot of the time there'll be a rough edge somewhere and it makes a big difference.

   I had to dress a ding on the front edge of the pinion to get the bearing off.
 One on the back side would wreck the bushing. The slightest nick on that pinion has to be smoothed. I have all the parts cleaned and polished. I'm going to pre-fit the drivetrain when the new main gear arrives. Then set the parts aside again and paint the housing. Cool
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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2018, 12:29:15 AM »

   The new main gear came in today, so I smeared a little of that Superlube clear grease on the gears and cranked the handle. It meshed nice and smooth...I was relieved...now to get on with the project. Cool


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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2018, 12:38:33 AM »

Good job Mo, one of the reason Scott's sells them separate. Pinions of that design are very tough, they last a long time.


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« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2019, 09:53:44 PM »

Sal...just picked up a 430ss on a nice st.croix 6ft rod..and 4400ss...on a nice quantum american series 6ft..43.00 for the pair..they both are nice shape..but ive got to get into both..just to see ..my nature..glad you have this tutorial avaiable..will post pics when both done..420ss and 430ss basically the same correct?..probally have more questions down the path here..hope you don't mind..Joe
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« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2019, 12:24:07 AM »

Sal...just picked up a 430ss on a nice st.croix 6ft rod..and 4400ss...on a nice quantum american series 6ft..43.00 for the pair..they both are nice shape..but ive got to get into both..just to see ..my nature..glad you have this tutorial avaiable..will post pics when both done..420ss and 430ss basically the same correct?..probally have more questions down the path here..hope you don't mind..Joe
Joe, you did really good, I never get those type of deals.
Yes on the 420SS and 430SS, they are basically the same, with the exception the body, the 430Ss is a little bigger, but has the same guts.

any question you might have, I would never mind answering you.

Have fun with those nice reels.

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« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2019, 01:02:16 AM »

This ad popped up on my Facebook marketplace newsfeed a few minutes ago.  Several reels for sale, including a Penn 420SS for $20 + shipping from Madison, WI.  I started to respond, but lo and behold this was posted Feb. 17, 2018.  Cry

Somebody got a bargain.  Shocked Roll Eyes


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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2019, 11:48:16 AM »

Nice job!

Is there anyone over here that can help me with this decal? It needs to be replaced...



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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2019, 02:46:06 PM »

Sal..where can i find the 45mm carbon fiber washer and delrin for my 430..all disassembled cleaned in us cleaner..lubed and reassembled..what a little gem..needed nothing..would just like to install drag parts you mentioned..Joe


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« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2019, 10:18:13 PM »

Joe, the reel looks really nice.
I used to purchase sheets of Carbon Fiber, but haven't done it in a while.
Send me your address on a PM and I'm sure I will find a piece so I could make you one.
As for the thrust washer, I wouldn't worry about it, the Teflon will do just fine on these little guys.

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« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2019, 09:39:39 PM »

Sorry to wake up an older post, but I have a question on the 420ss. I am using 4# fluorocarbon line and sometimes it gets caught between the bail arm (#34 in the parts diagram) and the rotor cup? (wrong part # in the parts diagram?). I purchased a new bail arm plus a new bail arm screw from Scott's. There is still a little "slop" between the bail arm and the rotor cup, so sometimes the line gets caught in that area if I am not careful.
Am I doing something wrong? It is almost like there should be a washer or something to take up that slack. I really doubt that the rotor cup has worn down, but I do use this little reel a lot. I also have a 430ss and I don't have a similar problem with it. Maybe I should just re-spool with some heavier mono. It is a little frustrating at times (and it makes a mess with the line).

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