big boy senator inserts: second batch

Started by Three se7ens, August 29, 2015, 04:14:56 AM

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RockyR

Yes, I noticed this picture which led me to believe mine needed a thick.

I was wondering what holds the insert sleeve from migrating outward?
Just a millimeter slip would expose the bottom drag?

Maybe I should add a small bit of epoxy between the inside gear and outside sleeve to be safe?

Shark Hunter

Rock,
When you get that thick washer. I set mine up so there is a small amount of drag with the star backed all the way off. That way the insert and washers can't move out of position.
Most of my inserts are a snug fit, so they won't move anyway.
Life is Good!

RockyR

#47
I thought it may needed to be pinned or glued.

Just tension on the drag can stop the insert from moving outward?

RockyR

Looks like I can use a punch to peen the top of the gear just to be safe.

Shark Hunter

That is a good point Rocky, I never really thought about the insert itself moving.
If I am using one in a 14 or 16/0, I replace the main with stainless.
These fit perfect and the insert is flush with the top of the gear.
Not that it is necessary, it is just how I do it.
Adam has been constantly improving these. The majority of mine are a snug fit in the gear.
Meaning I will literally press fit it in the main gear with a hydraulic press instead of filing the insert to fit.
I will mix and match gear sets to find the perfect fit.
You could also shim the outside of the insert with some thin aluminum sheet to make if fit snug.
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RockyR

Mine fit perfectly with no resistance.

I have the original bronze gear so a small peen should be easy.


handi2

In his case another Delrin washer on top would be fine even after the thick metal washer is back on top.

On the 6/0 and 9/0 reels I put one under the main gear, on top of the drag stack, and another under the drag star. This is with using the insert's.

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twotone

I installed one in a 10/0 and I like it.
twotone

Shark Hunter

Personally,
I think this is the best upgrade for big senators.
Rocky makes a valid point, its obvious he is serious about his reels.
However, it is not a concern of mine.
Just because I make sure my inserts are tight in the gear and maintain pressure on the stack.
Steel gears or stainless are my preference over bronze in this application.
I don't think there is a strength issue with the bronze, I just think the final fitment is better with the inserts.

Life is Good!

twotone

Rocky I used SH, Sal and Tightlines post to place mine in the reel.
It was a big help working on the drag stack.
It escapes me where the post are.
I hope it has worked out for you.
twotone

RockyR

I peened the gear to lock the insert in place.
I guess my caution comes from witnessing a lot of harmonic balancers come apart during the 80's.  8)

Washer worked like a charm.
Thanks Adam!

Drag is great!

 

Army_of_One

Quote from: RockyR on January 26, 2016, 05:42:04 AM
I peened the gear to lock the insert in place.
I guess my caution comes from witnessing a lot of harmonic balancers come apart during the 80's.  8)

Washer worked like a charm.
Thanks Adam!

Drag is great!

 
I haven't installed mine yet, but wouldn't some grease(graphite maybe, for the different metals) help with keeping the insert in?  I also was wondering if it wouldn't be an issue on the smaller plates without side accessible drags since the plate stops the drags from coming out?  I just don't see peening a steel gear as an option for myself.  Thank you for the AAR though.
Another day in Paradise!

RockyR

#57
When the outer hardware was removed I tipped the reel over and the insert easily fell out into my hand and the drags remained on the gear shaft.

Of course there was no drag at that time.

I don't know absolutely if slight pressure on the drags will keep the insert permanently in place so I peened it.

I do on occasion remove all drag pressure.

Not sure how much outward travel other reels have but my 14/0 had no plate to hold it from moving.

I felt that you never know what could happen when everything heats up as a big shark peels off line.


Army_of_One

I just did a 9/0 with steel gear and Adam's inserts.  The insert was a little loose sliding in and out of the gear, so I was worried about what you had brought up.  I left the insert out to assemble and test the dogs on the side plate.  I tried to put the insert in from the handle side.  The ears prevented it from going into the side plate.  I looked and can see where, at least on the 9/0, the gear almost touches the plate.  I don't think they will slide in this particular model, as I had to remove the bridge plate to install the insert.
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Jakejames

I'm new on here but I started hearing through the grape vine about how great these up grades are. I'd like to make an order if I'm not too late. 2 sets of 16/0 8stack if possible and 2 sets of 12/0 8stack also. Feel free to message me on here! Thanks and glad to chop it up with some penn senator guys!