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« on: January 29, 2011, 07:41:51 AM »

Cedros 65 - Three #6-7000 and custom cut 34 X 57 mm carbon drags
Cedros 80 - Three #6-7000 and custom cut 40 X 63 mm carbon drags

VS30 - Drag rated 18# with felt washers.  Max drag with carbon drags was 20# before my 8# spectra broke and the scale went flying.  Could possibly get 22-24# max.
Three 6-113 for in the top stack
One #6-117  custom cut ID 24 mm for under the spool between the spool and drag plate

VS45 - Drag rated 20# with felt washers.  Max drag with carbon drags was 25-28#s.
Three #6-309
24 X 45.9 mm (Custom Cut from TLD15 20 X 55 X 1.08 mm or Penn's HT-100 (#6-25) hex 22.9 X 54.3 X 1.3 mm) for under the spool between the spool and drag plate

VS55 - Drag  rated 24# with felt washers.  Max drag with carbon drags was between 28-30#.  I'd never fish it that hard 'cause I'm not sure If I could stop a fish without being pulled overboard at those kind of drag pressure at the tip of my rod.
Three #6-309 HT-100
24 X 51 mm (Custom Cut from TLD15 20 X 55 X 1.08 mm or Penn's HT-100  (#6-25) hex 22.9 X 54.3 X 1.3 mm)for under the spool between the spool and drag plate


Axeon 65
Three #56-440 for the top stack
Under the spool, it's provided with 2 nylon spacer washers, 7.86 X 20 X 0.98 and 7.86 X 20 X 0.52 mm totalling 1.5 mm thick.  Replaced the 7.86 X 20 X 0.98  with a #6-60 HT-100 washer that is closest to the spool.

See http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=175.0 for custom cutting the OD of the drag washer.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 10:23:50 AM »

It appears that Okuma spinners uses standardized spool sizes and the washers currently identified would probably be the same size in other models of the same size, both single and dual drag models.  I have yet to test the max drag, but will post when I do.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 02:55:12 PM »

Hey Bryan,

I am glad to see your parents knew how to properly spell your first name.

Since you appear to use the vsystem okumas, do you have any thoughts on how they compare to shimano's Saragossa?

Bryan
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 09:48:27 PM »

I really love my Okumas.  The VS is slightly smaller than the Saragosas and the Saragosas have slightly higher drag range.

I have never fished the Saragosas but have fished Shimano's Twin Drag Reels.  I got these reels in Japan as a gift.  There were, a the time, the top of the line (I think) as Stellas came out a year later.  I just love my Twin Drags, but have not fished them since I got my VS series reels if that's any indication.

Price point can also be a major factor.  For the small reels, you can get the VSystem reel and spool it up with good braid for the price of a Saragosa.  For the larger V-80A versus the 18000, you can almost buy 2 reels for the price of the 18000.  So if one breaks because it hits the deck, you can afford to bring a spare.

In the end, it's a matter of personal preference and economics.  They are both excellent reels, but it comes down to what size, what you are fishing for, and what kind of drag range you really need.  I just wish I also bought a pair of VS65s and VS80s.  If anyone, who bought the VS65 adn VS80s and don't like them, you are more than welcome to donate them to me.  In return, I'll provide a tutorial of these reels.  Is that a good trade?   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 10:23:00 PM »

I forgot to add, the Saragosa will probably be easier to service.  The Vsystem has 15 or 16 bearings.  What a pain in the butt to service.  I sill have 4 more reels to go.  Took me 3 hours to service the VS30.  next time, it will probably take 2 hours since I know now how and what to take apart and what not to take apart.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 05:31:50 PM »

I really love my Okumas.  The VS is slightly smaller than the Saragosas and the Saragosas have slightly higher drag range.

I have never fished the Saragosas but have fished Shimano's Twin Drag Reels.  I got these reels in Japan as a gift.  There were, a the time, the top of the line (I think) as Stellas came out a year later.  I just love my Twin Drags, but have not fished them since I got my VS series reels if that's any indication.

Price point can also be a major factor.  For the small reels, you can get the VSystem reel and spool it up with good braid for the price of a Saragosa.  For the larger V-80A versus the 18000, you can almost buy 2 reels for the price of the 18000.  So if one breaks because it hits the deck, you can afford to bring a spare.

In the end, it's a matter of personal preference and economics.  They are both excellent reels, but it comes down to what size, what you are fishing for, and what kind of drag range you really need.  I just wish I also bought a pair of VS65s and VS80s.  If anyone, who bought the VS65 adn VS80s and don't like them, you are more than welcome to donate them to me.  In return, I'll provide a tutorial of these reels.  Is that a good trade?   Grin

I think I may go with the Vsystem.  I will use it in the gulf of mexico to throw poppers at yft.  in the GOM a big tuna weighs 100 lb and average is probably 50-70 lb.  I have been looking at the VS65 at an advertised drag rating of 31 lbs it would seem the reel could be comfortably fished well within its limits at 15-20 lbs.  I also believe it would hold 250 yards plus of hollow JB 60.  Then of course it would need the drag upgrade to carbontex as it comes with felt. 

I put my thoughts down here so you could tell me if something doesn't look right.  Thanks for the help Bryan.  There are not many of these reels in use here on the Texas coast and there seems to be a fairly large bias for shimano that prevents objective feedback.

I love this site...thanks for the help.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 11:26:35 PM »

I believe Alan has the Cedros 65, and they have the same size spool as the V-65a.  His reels are spooled with 50# spectra and the other with 65# spectra.  It sounds like these reels will fit your needs. 

If you do get the V-65a, I would recommend that you grease the spool bearings/bushings.  My extra spool had bushings and the other had bearings.  The bushing showed slight signs of corrosion (green).  You will find one bearing on the bottom and 2 on the top (I think).  I never knew that the spools had bushings or bearings.  I would recommend taking apart the bail assembly and do the same with the anti-twist roller bearing as well.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 05:28:58 AM »

I believe Alan has the Cedros 65, and they have the same size spool as the V-65a.  His reels are spooled with 50# spectra and the other with 65# spectra.  It sounds like these reels will fit your needs. 

If you do get the V-65a, I would recommend that you grease the spool bearings/bushings.  My extra spool had bushings and the other had bearings.  The bushing showed slight signs of corrosion (green).  You will find one bearing on the bottom and 2 on the top (I think).  I never knew that the spools had bushings or bearings.  I would recommend taking apart the bail assembly and do the same with the anti-twist roller bearing as well.

Is the Cedros pretty much the same reel with about 10 less ball bearings?  I have looked at a Cedros 65 and the rotor is graphite/plastic and has a pretty good amount of flex, does the V65 move to a metal rotor?
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 07:21:48 AM »

That's a reel good question, reelgood.   Grin

I would like to know if the rotor is metal or graphite, now we are waiting on the sun to come up in Hawaii and for Bryan to wake up.  I am going to check out Okuma website and see if I can tell.


Edit, found it.  the rotor is aluminum.
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 11:35:30 AM »

Is the Cedros pretty much the same reel with about 10 less ball bearings?  I have looked at a Cedros 65 and the rotor is graphite/plastic and has a pretty good amount of flex, does the V65 move to a metal rotor?

Funny, Alan, another individual (I cannot remember who) were looking at the Cedros and could not tell if it the rotor was made out of metal or a composite.  Now that you mentioned it, and reading the fine print, the rotor on the Cedros is made of Graphite composite and the Vsystem is made of aluminum.

Looks like the Vsystem spinners are the only ones available in the US with aluminum rotors.  You may find a new, old stock Salina as another option.  Looks like the Cedros replaced the Salina line.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 11:48:09 AM »

Did you guys ever check out the Salina SA II reels? 
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2011, 08:32:14 PM »

Cedros 65 and Cedros 80 drag dimensions are added. 

Alan, do you have an idea what drags washers that you custom cut for the lower drag located under the spool?  I forgot to ask while I was there.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2011, 09:56:07 PM »

it's a shimano tld 20/30 two speed drag.  not good because it is fiberglass on one side, but it works ok. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 12:34:30 AM »

Alan, only the Cedros 65 has the fiberglass backed carbon fiber drag.  The Cedros 80 has Carbon/Carbon fiber drag.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2011, 04:27:41 PM »

Did you guys ever check out the Salina SA II reels? 

I have 2 salina ii 3000's which i use for soft plastics here in nz, great little reels and i am keen to get a 16000 size for jigging.
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