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« on: November 18, 2017, 11:23:41 AM »

I have a Mariner 149 and a Master Mariner 349 that were my grandfather's (different grandfather than the Mitchell/Penn 9 guy).   I am very comfortable with the Peerless and Longbeach series, so would these be much harder to pull apart and put back together?  Any real problems I should watch out for?   Being shore bound, I doubt I will actually use them, but I am curious about their innards and it would be nice to better preserve what's left of them.   Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2017, 11:28:18 AM »

I have a Mariner 149 and a Master Mariner 349 that were my grandfather's (different grandfather than the Mitchell/Penn 9 guy).   I am very comfortable with the Peerless and Longbeach series, so would these be much harder to pull apart and put back together?  Any real problems I should watch out for?   Being shore bound, I doubt I will actually use them, but I am curious about their innards and it would be nice to better preserve what's left of them.   Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2017, 11:32:23 AM »

Well, no excuse now.  Thank you!

Quick question.  Both have trolling wire.  I'm not sure if it makes any sense to save any of it, but could it be transferred temporarily to a longbeach 68 or is that not so good for the 68?
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2017, 11:54:35 AM »

Unless you are going to use it for deepwater salt-trolling -- I would just remove the wire and toss it away.

Restore the reel to as near new as you can -- if just a display piece leave line off -- if you are going to use it -- you can install new line of your choice at that time.

These are great reels -- but for most fishing conditions today -- their use is limited and specific -- deep water trolling or deep drops.

Guys like Lee, and a few others on our site are experts at restoring and modifying these well made tanks.

IMO, the order of quality and strength of these Mariners is:

149 -- weakest

49 -- stronger

349. -- strongest

There are many variations like the "H", Supers, and more -- but these are nice reels, and good for display, or to use -- if your fishing target works for this type of reel (salmon, halibut, etc)..

If you get stuck on anything -- let us know.

Plus post some pics of your progress.

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2017, 12:04:57 PM »

Any old Penn reel without a level wind is doable.  If something goes wrong you are in the right place.  It's just a big Longbeach, only different.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2017, 12:10:00 PM »

The 149 and 349 are among the easiest reels to work on. However, be aware that parts for the 349 are very difficult to get; you can get most of what you might need for the 149. BTW: There was a fourth reel in this series, the 249. It was a knuckle buster with no drag or anti-reverse.
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2017, 01:55:59 PM »

BTW: There was a fourth reel in this series, the 249. It was a knuckle buster with no drag or anti-reverse.
And it's hard to understand how/why they sold so many of them for so many years.... but they are harder to find than any of the others in the series. I guess the popularity was based on the idea that it's hard to change people's behavior, and the old timers that grew up with knucklebusters just didn't want anything to do with those newfangled drags and anti-reverse contraptions.... I guess it says a lot about human nature.... Sorry, I'm away from my resources and can't look up how long the 249 was in production.....

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2017, 02:28:56 PM »

    Initial cost may have factored in, too, Sid.....$.50 doesn't seem like much, to us, but, in the 40's ?
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2017, 04:49:07 PM »

Be REAL careful with the trim rings on the 349......if they crack about the only way to get a replacement is buy a donor reel.....Bill
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2017, 04:53:19 PM »

Yes Bill - I know - still looking Sad
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2017, 06:48:21 PM »

Thanks for the info!  The first challenge was getting the handle screw to turn.   I got it, but it was a little ugly.   I took care not to bend the handle.  I'm glad you warned me about the rings.  I left one on because it would not budge.  The inside looks pretty good considering.    The threads on the shaft for the main gear look bad, but the star drag seems to turn fine.  The only things missing are one side screw and the handle lock screw.  Unfortunately, there is a very small crack near the edge of one of the side plates.  What do you guys do to prevent these from spreading?

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2017, 07:53:10 PM »

Put the side plate in the freezer overnight, that might shrink it enough to get the ring off.
Might try some epoxy for the crack, the trick would be getting it thin enough so a little gets in the crack, maybe a little heat to thin it a bit.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2017, 09:54:28 AM »

Here are most of the parts cleaned up with simple green and vinegar.  The main gear and shaft are much improved.  I actually couldn't get the main gear off until it soaked overnight.  


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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2017, 09:58:00 AM »

Do you think these are "brake material"?


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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2017, 01:41:12 PM »

I can not really tell, if there are little white specks in them then yes, otherwise leather.  With the reel in that condition, I would pull the gear sleeve also by punching out the gear sleeve pin, a 1/16" punch does the trick.  Also the trim ring should come off also.  As stated above a couple freeze, warm and freeze should loosen it.  Might even soak the plate in vinegar for a couple hours to further break the corrosion bond. Use a razor blade between the ring edge and plate and carefully twist, just make sure the razor blade is inserted between the screw holes.  I have found the common utility knife blade works well and the edge of the blade will chip and break before the ring is damaged.  Change blades often.   Bill
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