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« on: December 28, 2017, 08:28:41 PM »

I have finally acquired all the needed materials minus all of the guides. I have a Large AFTCO Super Heavy Duty Bigfoot Roller guide as my first guide off from the reel and a #12 size FUJI Super heavy duty conventional guide. How many of what size guides should i get and how far should i space them apart?

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 10:57:10 PM »

The first question would be whether you are intending to cast baits with the rod, or getting them out to sea by other means (kayak??)

Second question would be what reel type (spinner or convensional) and what line type/strength.


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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 05:39:19 AM »

It is gong to be paired with a Penn Senator 12/0, baits will be kayaked out... too heavy of a setup to cast...
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 06:00:45 AM »

 Forgive my ignorance but what is the advantage of such a long rod for Shark fishing if you will not be casting? It seems to me that the longer rod would give you less leverage during the battle but I don't do this type of fishing so I am interested in learning new things.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 06:02:14 AM »

There's no real benefit to only using 1 roller guide and the rest ring guides. Go all ring guides, The newer material for the rings is very slick, I'd get the heavy duty Alps guides and tip. On a stout 10' rod 11 guides should be good, might get away with 10. Don't go smaller than a number 10 ring on the tip too, since you'll likely have a knot that needs to go thru them. I build a fair amount of 9-10' shark rods here. the blanks of choice is a super seeker 100H or a Calstar 100mag. These guy's fish mainly 80lb to 200lb braid. Don't know what blank you're using so do a static test for guide placement. Also make sure the foot of the reel fits in the reel seat. Those things are pretty big
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 11:56:07 AM »

I'm with Scott on this.  The long rod will help keep the line up out of the waves and off the sand bar.  But, if you hook a fish big enough to need a 12/0 reel you will not be able to hold the rod tip up while standing. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 01:44:35 PM »

I fish long rods for just about everything.  There is a technique that can be used for big fish. Still painful but possible
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 09:58:38 PM »

We built a very deliberate casting rod for sharks at 11', but never for use with something as big a a 12/0 reel. The benefits of a roller guide as stripper would be questionable, as there are some seriously low friction rings about these days, rather than using 30 year old logic for a roller stripper. Personally, I would plan to use either Fuji Alconites or Silicone Carbide rings, probably ending in a string of size 12, to allow such things as wind-ons to pass through unhindered.

The trick is going to be getting the rod pulled over to some sort of fighting curve when determining your guide spacing. And also just what 'poundage' you think you are going to be able to exert with such a relatively long rod. We dropped our specialist shark casting rod down to 11' from 14', to gain leverage for the angler during the fight, and it worked like a dream, without losing casting ability. But, as you are not casting you would progressively get more and more leverage benefit from every foot you go shorter than 10'.

Ultimately, you are the one that is going to have to fish it, and at this stage, it is the time to make the best decision on your thought process.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2017, 04:28:14 AM »

I'm with Scott on this.  The long rod will help keep the line up out of the waves and off the sand bar.  But, if you hook a fish big enough to need a 12/0 reel you will not be able to hold the rod tip up while standing. 
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2017, 04:31:58 AM »

I'm with Scott on this.  The long rod will help keep the line up out of the waves and off the sand bar.  But, if you hook a fish big enough to need a 12/0 reel you will not be able to hold the rod tip up while standing. 
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The object of the game is the use of an Aftco Harness.
You get a big enough shark on that line and you'll need a harness with a 7' rod.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2017, 10:32:29 AM »

7' is the Maximum Length I fish with. That is only if the rod has a detachable butt.
The rest of my rods are 6' or under rated at 80-130. 100lb mono minimum.
Stand up from the beach is what I do.
I don't want to get all rainbowed up on a big shark.



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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2017, 08:39:13 PM »

My Question wasnt what to fish with but how many guides i should put. I appreciate the information though! future rods will be built shorter Grin .... How many guides should i have on a 10ft rod?
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2017, 10:47:31 PM »

I would suggest that 7 or 8, plus tip ring would be sufficient. As mentioned earlier, getting the guides taped on then getting the rod pulled over into full fighting curve is going to be a challenge. You need to do this to make sure the spacing and positioning of the guides keeps the line away from the blank - otherwise you will burn the line due to friction.

Suggested sizes would be 25, 20, 2x16, 4x12, then 12 tip. If the blank is particularly flexible, then use higher type guides like Fuji MN or RB frame styles.

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2017, 06:31:15 AM »

Look up
Static testing on the internet. Lots of videos to show you how it's done. Here I use 10-11 guides based on the static test as the guides serve to keep the line from touching the black. The jig gods here have fairly soft tips. Depends how heavy the blank is. Those Fuji guides are great but cost a fortune. Alps guides are the same quality and ring material but will save you some bucks. The static test is key to getting the number of guides and spacing were it should be
I've caugt several yellowfin tuna in the 100-150 class on 10' rods with no harness.Not ideal but doable it just takes a little different technique.  The trick is to keep the tip high and think like the top 3-4' of the rods isn't there since it's almost useless for pulling power. If the rod is perpendicular to your body you're losing. Totally doable but it will give you a good whipping
Ideally a road of 6-7' will give you the best chance like everyone says but the 10' might overcome some other limitations. No bite no fish
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2017, 09:28:45 AM »

This is what has worked for me. Big fish short rod (acid wrapped please) conventional reel - need distance? bait boat/ kayak (not me someone else Cheesy). Long cast (100yds plus) it's got to be smaller fish with a long 10/12 ft plus rod.
In the UK surf/rock fishing it is becoming quite normal to see rods in the 13 to 16ft range - BUT we ain't catching sharks on that gear Wink
Fishing will always be a compromise, to some degree - my 2 cents.
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