alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial The continual and ongoing saga of the yellow caps
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2018, 01:21:49 AM »

The nut that holds the roller end of the bail wire on 704, 710, & 712 has this type of locker.
Lochtite 222 does the same with the fact that it’s added after assembly.

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2018, 03:07:39 PM »



you lost me here..

 Me to.

Ive worked on a number of these reels & have no clue whats being talked about here. Never noticed a nylok insert of any kind in the adjustment cap.

After explaining your issue to Penn & sending them your reels it's possible but highly unlikely they would have missed this if it was missing.

There is an O ring that seals & creates tension for the adjustment cap. I have marked this O ring using the limits of my artistic abilities, with yellow arrows.
Another pic shows how the cap should look.  The rubber O ring must be seated in its groove to work right.

I believe  there may be an issue with the O ring..... Its out of proper dimensions , O ring is not seated right, cap is making good contact with it. Is it missing ?  ... Jeff


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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 07:02:53 PM »

Mr. Brklyn.. .... I dont own this particular reel, and, Im pretty much a novice here, so please bare with me. Today, as I was watching the news, I was absentmindedly playing with a reel....C'mon I know you all do it Smiley.......anyways, I started messing with the spool adjustment cap on this reel{Daiwa SL20sh}, and flicking freespool. I definitely noticed a point where the cap would lose contact with the o-ring if I backed it off too far. And at that point it would be too loose to fish with.
Turn it back in and i can feel it catch, and engage. So, I was just wondering if maybe the "yellow cap" on your reel is not engaging the O-ring when you turn it in to get the freespool your looking for? And, if so, what would cause that? Maybe something internally shifting the spool to the side, so as not allowing the o-ring to catch properly.....Just got me to thinking, thats all. Either that, or the o-ring has shrunk and needs replacement...IDK Huh?........
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2018, 08:16:08 PM »

Penn sent me a new cap and about four other very small parts, a click washer, friction washer, rubber washer, click spring and another clickwasher.

The rubber washer and friction washers are less than a  2 milimeters in size... very small.  This is going to take a magnifying glass and tweezers to work with

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No O ring though Sad
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2018, 08:22:18 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2019, 02:24:37 PM »

I've worked on quite a few fathom 12/15's and also noticed shrinking O-rings leaving spool tension caps having less bite.

My fix was to cut and wrap a thin strip of masking tape around the post where it countersinks to accommodate the O-ring. Reseat O-ring over tape, replace cap and the bite will return upon adjustment.  Wink

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2019, 01:01:57 PM »

Does anyone have an O ring that has not been used ?, so we can get a good measurement to see if there is one out there a little bit thicker/wider.
The cap on my TRQ 12 is loose for a while now.

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2019, 01:08:36 PM »

Does anyone have an O ring that has not been used ?, so we can get a good measurement to see if there is one out there a little bit thicker/wider.
The cap on my TRQ 12 is loose for a while now.

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Take the O ring to your local hardware store.  I bet you could match it up.  Dominick
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2019, 01:28:10 PM »

I thought about that then I checked and McMaster Carr has so many types of O rings and sizes thickness and strength the local hardware store has a very limited selection, I was there this morning.

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 05:54:39 AM »

I've worked on quite a few fathom 12/15's and also noticed shrinking O-rings leaving spool tension caps having less bite.

My fix was to cut and wrap a thin strip of masking tape around the post where it countersinks to accommodate the O-ring. Reseat O-ring over tape, replace cap and the bite will return upon adjustment.  Wink

HTH, Steve





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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 08:35:51 AM »

I would try some Teflon tape on the threads.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 11:50:05 AM »

McMaster-Carr has some varities of o-rings that are supposed to last longer than the standard material(neopreme?). Viton, for example. Also, somethin to lube the o-ring that's not petroleum based---?, i.e. that won't break down rubber.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2019, 04:54:39 PM »

Harbor Freight has orings. Remember that oring you have is metric.

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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2019, 01:10:27 PM »

anyone find an o-ring to match this problem - with a maker and mnu number or parts number?
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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2019, 01:17:19 PM »



you lost me here..

 Me to.

Ive worked on a number of these reels & have no clue whats being talked about here. Never noticed a nylok insert of any kind in the adjustment cap.

After explaining your issue to Penn & sending them your reels it's possible but highly unlikely they would have missed this if it was missing.

There is an O ring that seals & creates tension for the adjustment cap. I have marked this O ring using the limits of my artistic abilities, with yellow arrows.
Another pic shows how the cap should look.  The rubber O ring must be seated in its groove to work right.

I believe  there may be an issue with the O ring..... Its out of proper dimensions , O ring is not seated right, cap is making good contact with it. Is it missing ?  ... Jeff

I want to thank you for taking the time to write this up with the Photography etc.  FWIW, this is a problem not just for the Torque, but the whole line, fathoms, and squals.  I'm not sure how the o-ring creates the tension, but I think I can see how the ring essentially allows the cap to snap onto the post correctly and prevent it from falling off.  I can also see how over time this is inevitably fail with use, and that would explain why this happens so frequently with so many reels.  I own about 8 Penn reels of this basic design.  The solution would seem to be a better quality o-ring, but even that will eventually fail.  The rings look like they need to be periodically replaced as part of yearly maintenmence.
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