PENN SSVI: Service Tutorial and First Look

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ReelClean

#15
IPX5 my ar$e!  It works in reverse also: OPX5 (whatever gets in can't get out).
I have written off two chinese built Penns this year due to internal corrosion.  The grease they are using seems to hold all the salt and converts itself into blue/grey crystals/concrete; I can only presume the graphite or Li in the grease reacts with the salt.  I am guessing that the water came down through the pinion seal judging by the rusted ARBs. Also, the "sealed" sideplate bearings were rusted solid.
In both cases the pinion gear bridge in the body just corroded away.  Both these were smaller bodys where the bridge has only a couple of mm of metal over the top as you can see in one of the photos.  I have done a couple of 6000 size and they were still sealed and the grease in good condition.
IMHO, get a 'Gosa!
cheers
Steve
Specialist Daiwa reel service, including Magseal.

JasonGotaProblem

Quote from: ReelClean on June 03, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
IPX5 my ar$e!  It works in reverse also: OPX5 (whatever gets in can't get out).
I have written off two chinese built Penns this year due to internal corrosion.  The grease they are using seems to hold all the salt and converts itself into blue/grey crystals/concrete; I can only presume the graphite or Li in the grease reacts with the salt.  I am guessing that the water came down through the pinion seal judging by the rusted ARBs. Also, the "sealed" sideplate bearings were rusted solid.
In both cases the pinion gear bridge in the body just corroded away.  Both these were smaller bodys where the bridge has only a couple of mm of metal over the top as you can see in one of the photos.  I have done a couple of 6000 size and they were still sealed and the grease in good condition.
IMHO, get a 'Gosa!
cheers
Steve
Ouch. What the heck were you doing with that thing for it to get that bad?

My problem is most sealed or semi sealed reels don't come in smaller sizes, and im trying to find something I can take on a kayak with my 4yr old without worrying about it going swimming. Or more specifically if it does go in the drink it doesn't mean the end of the trip, it can wait til I get home for a cleanout.

Why aren't there any smaller reels with brass or better internals? Screw sealing, I'd prefer corrosion resistant materials.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

ReelClean

#17
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on June 04, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: ReelClean on June 03, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
IPX5 my ar$e!  It works in reverse also: OPX5 (whatever gets in can't get out).
I have written off two chinese built Penns this year due to internal corrosion.  The grease they are using seems to hold all the salt and converts itself into blue/grey crystals/concrete; I can only presume the graphite or Li in the grease reacts with the salt.  I am guessing that the water came down through the pinion seal judging by the rusted ARBs. Also, the "sealed" sideplate bearings were rusted solid.
In both cases the pinion gear bridge in the body just corroded away.  Both these were smaller bodys where the bridge has only a couple of mm of metal over the top as you can see in one of the photos.  I have done a couple of 6000 size and they were still sealed and the grease in good condition.
IMHO, get a 'Gosa!
cheers
Steve
Ouch. What the heck were you doing with that thing for it to get that bad?

Customers reels  ::) (I have a mix of classic ABUs, Certate and Luvias with nothing newer than 2010). I don't buy chinese rubbish, and I refuse to service dept store garbage.
IMHO Penn should do better when they sell these for the price of a Saragosa!
There is nothing out there that I have found that will resist a dunking, but the 'Gosa seems to come the closest without paying for a Van Stahl.  You will get closer if you fully strip and grease the reel before use, at least get some protection applied.

Specialist Daiwa reel service, including Magseal.

Ruffy

Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on June 04, 2021, 05:55:08 PM

Ouch. What the heck were you doing with that thing for it to get that bad?

My problem is most sealed or semi sealed reels don't come in smaller sizes, and im trying to find something I can take on a kayak with my 4yr old without worrying about it going swimming. Or more specifically if it does go in the drink it doesn't mean the end of the trip, it can wait til I get home for a cleanout.

Why aren't there any smaller reels with brass or better internals? Screw sealing, I'd prefer corrosion resistant materials.

If you're cranking with your left hand then you want the older Penn's - 712, 714, 716, 420SS or 430SS. All strong reels, give them a good service prior, they will handle a dunk and still work perfectly normal, but make sure you then do give them a teardown soon after just to be on the safe side.

Unfortunately, they never made any of those reels with a right hand crank, with the exception of the 713z. My favourite Penn reel; I also had a 711z but didn't like the overall size/balance of the larger rotor and spool on the same size body as the 713z.

Cheers,
Andrew

johndtuttle

#19
Quote from: ReelClean on June 03, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
IPX5 my ar$e!  It works in reverse also: OPX5 (whatever gets in can't get out).
I have written off two chinese built Penns this year due to internal corrosion.  The grease they are using seems to hold all the salt and converts itself into blue/grey crystals/concrete; I can only presume the graphite or Li in the grease reacts with the salt.  I am guessing that the water came down through the pinion seal judging by the rusted ARBs. Also, the "sealed" sideplate bearings were rusted solid.
In both cases the pinion gear bridge in the body just corroded away.  Both these were smaller bodys where the bridge has only a couple of mm of metal over the top as you can see in one of the photos.  I have done a couple of 6000 size and they were still sealed and the grease in good condition.
IMHO, get a 'Gosa!
cheers
Steve

Dollars to donuts those reels were deeply submerged (and possibly cranked underwater) and then put away with zero service for significantly more than one year. Comparing **one reel** to **one other reel** without knowing their full histories is just not scientific information (ie knowledge).

Handi2 and myself have brought back to life even less expensive Penns that were found at the bottom of the ocean or bays. The above reels likely saw something along those lines of abuse, imo.

IPX5 prevents splashes from entering the reel and it does according to thousands of guys that have fished the reels. But ANYTHING will leak if submerged deep enough and everything requires service once salt gets inside. Yes, even Saragosas but the Slammer gears are far tougher.

ps and you can find photos of Saragosas that have leaked and corroded too out there.

johndtuttle

#20
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on June 04, 2021, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: ReelClean on June 03, 2021, 10:51:38 PM
IPX5 my ar$e!  It works in reverse also: OPX5 (whatever gets in can't get out).
I have written off two chinese built Penns this year due to internal corrosion.  The grease they are using seems to hold all the salt and converts itself into blue/grey crystals/concrete; I can only presume the graphite or Li in the grease reacts with the salt.  I am guessing that the water came down through the pinion seal judging by the rusted ARBs. Also, the "sealed" sideplate bearings were rusted solid.
In both cases the pinion gear bridge in the body just corroded away.  Both these were smaller bodys where the bridge has only a couple of mm of metal over the top as you can see in one of the photos.  I have done a couple of 6000 size and they were still sealed and the grease in good condition.
IMHO, get a 'Gosa!
cheers
Steve
Ouch. What the heck were you doing with that thing for it to get that bad?

My problem is most sealed or semi sealed reels don't come in smaller sizes, and im trying to find something I can take on a kayak with my 4yr old without worrying about it going swimming. Or more specifically if it does go in the drink it doesn't mean the end of the trip, it can wait til I get home for a cleanout.

Why aren't there any smaller reels with brass or better internals? Screw sealing, I'd prefer corrosion resistant materials.

Consider the Slammer iii, Clash iii or the Battle iii DX with all Brass gears. A Saragosa would also be an excellent choice. Yakking is super tough on all gear. Many simply fish Jigmasters super packed with marine grease to deal with the inevitable ingress of salt or loss when landing the yak.