Installing a thrust bearing to Talica 16?

[steelfish]

so, guys, what do you think?

I was checking the setup for the thrust bearing on the Penn Torque


https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9685.0
and it has only one thrust bearing after the left bearing on the spool and a normal radial bearing for the pinion gear


I have a Talica 16 single speed with a bad pinion bearing, as we all know this expensive reels doesnt have the benefit of a thrust bearing as its competition by Penn fathom, torque and okuma Makaira that protect that usual problem on high drag settings.

so, I was considering installing a thrust bearing in a setup similar to the torque, leave the two spool bearings but swapping the bigger bearing on the left side of the spool for a thrust bearing of the same size, the next pics are the talica shaft





that bigger bearing (part tgt-1513) is 7x17x5 and I found a thrust bearing 7x17x6, I still dont have the parts so, I dont know if how I can deal with that 1mm of difference.

I know there are some members that already tried installing a thrust bearing to a leverdrag reels that didnt have one from the factory, but seems that many of those threads dont have the final opinion after some use of the reel with the modification.
I understand that I cannot swap the pinion bearing for a thrust bearing only, its necesary to have a radial bearing and a thrust bearing on that same place like the Penn Squall leverdrag (part 55 and 55T)



the talica 16 of course doesnt have enough space to install the stock factory pinion bearing plus an additional thrust bearing like the squall, so I think my only option is to go and tryout the thrust bearing on the external left side of the spool as the penn torque and fathom.

the only place I could find the thrust bearing was directly from china so, it will be some weeks before I can test the mod or even see if is doable to install, also I dont know the quality of the thrust bearing for the high drag settings of the talica 16 which are 22# strike and 40# full

any opinions or tips from guys that like to twek their reels







PS: I didnt knew the talica single speed reels have a IAR bearing, nice !! its large, big and sturdy, really similar to the ones on the accurate reels and also the talica 16 comes with 2 silent dogs, so, really nice setup as backup, the talica 2-speed reels didnt come with the IAR bearing.

[alantani]

not sure how true this is, but i was told that a two speed reel needs a little backlash so that the reel can switch gears.  the AR bearing eliminates that backlash.  that's why you find them in single speed reels but not two speeds. 

[MexicanGulf]

Great topic !!!! 

[ReelClean]

not sure how true this is, but i was told that a two speed reel needs a little backlash so that the reel can switch gears.  the AR bearing eliminates that backlash.  that's why you find them in single speed reels but not two speeds. 

Sounds plausible.
Some bright engineer needs to adapt a CVT system to reels.

I have looked at thrust bearing upgrades, but have never been able to find bearings small enough, anyone know a source (other than Penn)?  They must get them manufactured somewhere!

[Ron Jones]

I hve often thought that a CVT would work well. You could swp out clutch springs just like bellevilles to get the gear ratio profile you want (tend to stay slow or tend to shift to fast easier.) I can hear people comment about durability, but they move cars around.

The Man

[boon]

Old thread, wonder if it ever got tried?

My general feeling is that radial bearings aren't meant to take thrust loads and thrust bearings aren't meant to take radial loads, and I would bet the reel would feel fairly horrific with only a thrust bearing on the left side as soon as any radial load went on the spool shaft.

[steelfish]

Old thread, wonder if it ever got tried?

never done, I never found a quality thrust bearing of the correct size

My general feeling is that radial bearings aren't meant to take thrust loads and thrust bearings aren't meant to take radial loads, and I would bet the reel would feel fairly horrific with only a thrust bearing on the left side as soon as any radial load went on the spool shaft.

you are correct on that feeling, thats why Penn fathom and Torque have both kind of bearing on the left side of the spool and just a single radial bearing on the pinion gear, the Penn Squal have those two kind of bearing on the pinion gear, so your assumption is correct, you cannot use just one thrust bearing and drop the radial Bearing on the pinion gear or on the left side of the spool, the Talica 16 doest have enough space to be able to install a thrust bearing on the pinion gear along the radial bearing or to install it on the spool as the Squall.
so, I drop it the idea   

[boon]

So, the way you would do this is to install a much much smaller left side spool bearing, allowing it to be thinner, with a sleeve to make up the required diameter (ideally on the inside of the bearing). Because you only have to handle a radial load you can probably get away with a much smaller bearing.
Then you have to find a really thin thrust bearing, and probably delete two of the bellevilles to give you enough space on the spool shaft.