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« on: July 07, 2019, 06:40:54 PM »

I was thinking if adding an additional bearing would change the free spool, so I decided to give it a shot...more to find out if it made sense to me.
I took a bearing from the 650SS and added it to the 113H bearing, I wasn't able to record it, my videos are taking up too much space.
From my test, I got a little better than double on free spool, so my speculations were wright Smiley

The stock bearing for the 113H was a perfect fit on the 650ss bearing.
I used a couple of drops of CA glue with the hardener, being very careful not to get it on the ball bearings to hold it in position.
A needle helped.


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Sal
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2019, 06:59:12 PM »

Great!
Did you turn the oversized bearing cup?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2019, 07:36:53 PM »

A bearing in a bearing... is that like a 2-speed
bearing?
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2019, 01:43:22 AM »

A bearing in a bearing... is that like a 2-speed
bearing?
Yes Mark of course, just a curiosity on my part.
Great!
Did you turn the oversized bearing cup?
The Man
Yes Ron! nothing fancy, did one quickly on my lathe.

The 113h is just fine as is, Iím just playing around with my toy🙂

Sal
Sorry Mark, I thought you said a bearing is a bearing.
No, it is not a two speed, Iím not that smart🙂.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2019, 02:11:02 AM »

Keep playing Salvatore Grin
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 09:35:18 AM »

But does it increase your casting distance? Wink
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 11:15:50 AM »

I've torn into just about every kind of machine there is, SalÖ.and this is the first time I've seen anything like this ! It would be interesting to know how many "revs" the outer bearing is making, in relation to the inner. In effect, you are "removing friction" from the "inner bearing's outer race", by letting it rotate.  I'm thinking you need to do some more "experimenting", as this *could* be a "money making idea " !!
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 03:52:36 PM »


The 113h is just fine as is, Iím just playing around with my toy🙂

Sal

keep playing compadre,

you said 113h is just fine as is, but what about the new SS drag inserts, new drag washers like the torque for it, etc, etc..
everything can be upgradeable 

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 03:54:32 PM »

Hada do a triple-take before figuring out what you did. How did you attach the larger bearing cup? Also it looks like there's a head-plate outter ring being used on your tail-plate.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 10:51:38 PM »

By the way, the 750ss (larger bearing) did much better.
Sal
Sal, are you saying that the larger (outside bearing) was spinning more?

It's sort of like having a back-up bearing too.  If one freezes up the other one takes over.

This is really neat, by the way.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2019, 02:36:18 AM »

Not sure Steve, I do know something is happening. Crow might have it, I think the larger bearing is helping with minimizing friction.

I'm thinking as you keep adding more bearings, free spool and smoothness would increase quite a bit.

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2019, 04:20:34 AM »

The only issue I can see....which would become a "larger" issue, as more bearings are added.....is , because of the "slop" in the bearing (I'll call it slop, but "clearance' does sound better !) needed to allow movement...and all bearings have "some"...or they wouldn't move !.....you would run into, as each "extra" bearing is added... more, and more 'slop", until there would be so much that a usable level of "tolerance" would be exceeded. The "optimum" bearing would be one of "mag-lev" style...where the shaft end is held ..in "suspension"...by a magnetic field. No lube required, and , except for "air resistance ...no friction.
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2019, 09:34:06 AM »

I have thought of the mag lev before. I don't think you would need any power even. Adhere a cylindrical magnet around the spool shaft ends and screw in a magnet with a hole in it. Make sure all four magnets have the same polarity and stand by to tear off every bit of meat on your thumb right down to the bone!
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2019, 12:00:47 PM »

Yea mag bearings and ceramic brakes.

Would mag field accelerate electrolysis/corosion though?

Sal,

Next thing you'll be thinking of creating a drive shaft that floats (is supported by) 2 bearings.

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2019, 01:37:14 PM »

I have thought of the mag lev before. I don't think you would need any power even. Adhere a cylindrical magnet around the spool shaft ends and screw in a magnet with a hole in it. Make sure all four magnets have the same polarity and stand by to tear off every bit of meat on your thumb right down to the bone!
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Here you go Ron. Knock yourself out:
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/categories.asp?cat=9

The old Ryobi V-Mag 3 (one of my favorite reels) predates the use of neodymium magnets so it had two large magnetic discs with an aluminum cup attached to the spool riding between the two magnets.  These things cast like a bat coming out of a cave, but I don't know if there was any levitation involved.


-steve
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