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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2019, 10:02:31 PM »

the rockfish ninja, so many different ways of Jigging and they all work in their different applications.
I am having difficulty in following this.
If you are casting "up current" then the water is moving towards the boat right?
Then how come the "boat drifts past it"  "it" being the lure I presume?

In Cornwall I once saw a boat moving against the current on anchor, but that was because the wind was stronger of the two. Grin
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2019, 10:26:39 PM »

the rockfish ninja, so many different ways of Jigging and they all work in their different applications.
I am having difficulty in following this.
If you are casting "up current" then the water is moving towards the boat right?
Then how come the "boat drifts past it"  "it" being the lure I presume?
Somehow I knew exactly what he was talking about.   Smiley  You're drifting toward a spot where you want the jig to be.  So you cast ahead and the jig is sinking as you drift toward it.  When you're over the spot the jig is vertical.  If the jig does not sink fast enough or you do not cast far enough ahead then it never hits the bottom.

If the reel is impeding the decent rate then you have to use a heavier jig or cast farther ahead.   I'd just switch to a star drag reel with better freespool.
-steve

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2019, 11:23:58 PM »

Thanks, Understood.

Common problem when fishing in wind and or current if not on anchor.
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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2019, 01:03:29 AM »

Side note that if you're casting a "jig" you're probably not "jigging" in the conventional sense... all of which is done in as vertical a manner as possible. The cast control on the light jigging reels is more to control the descent of the jig, than any sort of meaningful casting. All the star-drag reels have auto-engagement in case you get hit on the drop.

Other than shore jigging but that's a different kettle of fish(ing?).

Actually no, if you read the previous posts by redpaulhus & myself, we both cast up current from the boat, so by the time the jig hits the bottom it's vertical and you have the window of time until the boat drifts past it. Then you have to recast again. The cast control actually is a handicap because it slows down the drop and shortens the strike zone window of time, but I just want it cause I stink at underhand casting and that's the rules here on party boats.

I don't know where he's at but it's my west coast CA adaptation for slow pitch jigging, strong currents here and that's the only way to fish light jigs.

That causes a lot of challenges. Slow jigging from a party boat sounds like a bad time, presumably there's no chance of the skipper holding the boat in position with the engines while everyone drops? That's how we get around fast drifting here (or using a sea anchor, but that's only for smaller boats). The concept of having to lob the jig ahead is basically anathema to the japanese style of slow jigging; they either use the boat's engine to hold station, or a spanker sail on smaller vessels. Hence all the specialist gear for these purposes, as developed by the japanese, is not really compatible with that style of fishing.
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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2019, 03:20:10 AM »

Jigging master,,,,, Wink evike sometimes has deals and he well work with you on price,,,,,, Grin
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2019, 04:13:13 AM »

Side note that if you're casting a "jig" you're probably not "jigging" in the conventional sense... all of which is done in as vertical a manner as possible. The cast control on the light jigging reels is more to control the descent of the jig, than any sort of meaningful casting. All the star-drag reels have auto-engagement in case you get hit on the drop.

Other than shore jigging but that's a different kettle of fish(ing?).

Actually no, if you read the previous posts by redpaulhus & myself, we both cast up current from the boat, so by the time the jig hits the bottom it's vertical and you have the window of time until the boat drifts past it. Then you have to recast again. The cast control actually is a handicap because it slows down the drop and shortens the strike zone window of time, but I just want it cause I stink at underhand casting and that's the rules here on party boats.

I don't know where he's at but it's my west coast CA adaptation for slow pitch jigging, strong currents here and that's the only way to fish light jigs.

That causes a lot of challenges. Slow jigging from a party boat sounds like a bad time, presumably there's no chance of the skipper holding the boat in position with the engines while everyone drops? That's how we get around fast drifting here (or using a sea anchor, but that's only for smaller boats). The concept of having to lob the jig ahead is basically anathema to the japanese style of slow jigging; they either use the boat's engine to hold station, or a spanker sail on smaller vessels. Hence all the specialist gear for these purposes, as developed by the japanese, is not really compatible with that style of fishing.

Well you gotta do what U gotta to when you don't own a money pit .... I mean boat. Wink

But if you're like me and fish the middle of the week when everybody's at work, you can take over the bow. Most captain drift facing forward so I've got the good angle to cast and work the jig, and for the window of time it's vertical I'm doing exactly what the Japanese are doing. It's been pretty effective so far.
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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2019, 04:21:28 AM »

the rockfish ninja, so many different ways of Jigging and they all work in their different applications.
I am having difficulty in following this.
If you are casting "up current" then the water is moving towards the boat right?
Then how come the "boat drifts past it"  "it" being the lure I presume?
Somehow I knew exactly what he was talking about.   Smiley  You're drifting toward a spot where you want the jig to be.  So you cast ahead and the jig is sinking as you drift toward it.  When you're over the spot the jig is vertical.  If the jig does not sink fast enough or you do not cast far enough ahead then it never hits the bottom.

If the reel is impeding the decent rate then you have to use a heavier jig or cast farther ahead.   I'd just switch to a star drag reel with better freespool.
-steve



Dead on the money, you clearly understand the concept, but I've never had a situation where it never hits the bottom. Just a shorter time in the strike zone, that's why getting better at underhand is must for this adaptation of the slow pitch thing.

I've used both lever and star drag for this application and it's pretty clear to me that the thumb press release has some disadvantages so I'm sticking to lever.
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2019, 07:55:29 PM »

Side note that if you're casting a "jig" you're probably not "jigging" in the conventional sense... all of which is done in as vertical a manner as possible. The cast control on the light jigging reels is more to control the descent of the jig, than any sort of meaningful casting. All the star-drag reels have auto-engagement in case you get hit on the drop.

Other than shore jigging but that's a different kettle of fish(ing?).

Actually no, if you read the previous posts by redpaulhus & myself, we both cast up current from the boat, so by the time the jig hits the bottom it's vertical and you have the window of time until the boat drifts past it. Then you have to recast again. The cast control actually is a handicap because it slows down the drop and shortens the strike zone window of time, but I just want it cause I stink at underhand casting and that's the rules here on party boats.

I don't know where he's at but it's my west coast CA adaptation for slow pitch jigging, strong currents here and that's the only way to fish light jigs.

That causes a lot of challenges. Slow jigging from a party boat sounds like a bad time, presumably there's no chance of the skipper holding the boat in position with the engines while everyone drops? That's how we get around fast drifting here (or using a sea anchor, but that's only for smaller boats). The concept of having to lob the jig ahead is basically anathema to the japanese style of slow jigging; they either use the boat's engine to hold station, or a spanker sail on smaller vessels. Hence all the specialist gear for these purposes, as developed by the japanese, is not really compatible with that style of fishing.

Well you gotta do what U gotta to when you don't own a money pit .... I mean boat. Wink

But if you're like me and fish the middle of the week when everybody's at work, you can take over the bow. Most captain drift facing forward so I've got the good angle to cast and work the jig, and for the window of time it's vertical I'm doing exactly what the Japanese are doing. It's been pretty effective so far.

I admire your persistence, as you say, you gotta do what you gotta do.

In a lever drag, with cast control, I can't really think of anything other than the Jigging Master PE2 or small Maxel Transformers (F30CH probably good) - or of course the Avets that you already know about.
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2019, 09:37:41 PM »


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I admire your persistence, as you say, you gotta do what you gotta do.

In a lever drag, with cast control, I can't really think of anything other than the Jigging Master PE2 or small Maxel Transformers (F30CH probably good) - or of course the Avets that you already know about.
[/quote] I had a pe5n it wasn't enough when I whent fish with ksong he is the best at jigging pm him he can help you,,,,,,, Grin
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