alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial Daiwa 70X, a look inside an ultralight spinner
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« on: December 04, 2019, 02:50:31 PM »

Lately I've discovered some of the smaller Daiwa silver spinners, the 500C, 1000C, and 1300C.  Checked for a 700C and they're priced outrageous on ebay--67 bucks for a used one, and $190 plus shipping for a NIB.   Shocked Huh?

In the meantime, the Daiwa 70X is an economical version of the 700C and can be found for a fraction of the price.


Removing handle by turning clockwise.


Removing the spool.


Removing the cover plate.



First look inside.  There is the familiar oscillating slider with the loop.


Removing the oscillating slider pin allows removal of the axle and removal of the oscillating slider.




Removing the three drive gear washers.


Removing the drive gear.


Removal of the U-shaped pinion retainer allows removal of the rotor.  These entry level Daiwas from back in the day had the pinion gear built onto the rotor.



A look at the bottom of the rotor.


A look at the top of the rotor.


From the looks inside of this reel, it appeared to may have been serviced at one time by someone who didn't know what they were doing.  Very little grease in there but lots of old runny black oil.  I wouldn't doubt somebody wiped most of the grease out of it then applied oil instead of grease.  It was running rough straight out of the box and definitely needed serviced.


It cleaned up very easily, however.  Only 3 washers in the drag assembly.


Reattaching the rotor.



Reinserting the drive gear.



Reinserting the oscillating slider.....


.....and pin.


To save time and disk space, I didn't take pics of the entire reassembly.


You can see the weight, 6.84 oz, so this 70X is definitely considered an ultralight.  Of course it isn't as smooth as the 500C and 1000C, I imagine the lack of ball bearing and the pinion built into the rotor contribute to that.  Retrieve ratio seems to be a tad below 4:1.  This one is made in Korea. Line capacity listed on the spool is 110 yds of 4 lb. mono and 90 yds of 6 lb. mono.  4 lb. mono would be ideal.




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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2019, 02:52:08 PM »

Schematic.


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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 03:51:40 PM »

   That one was plum full of black gold...Texas tea! It's odd how the smaller numbered "X" series reels have a more budget build than the "C" reels, yet the larger number models are an improved build. I seem to remember a 70XX that has a separate pinion with a bushing. Your collection is growing Chester, thanks for all the posts about the various models, the photos and info are very helpful. Cool
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2019, 05:39:34 PM »

As usual, a nice write up & pics.

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2019, 06:38:26 PM »

Well done, Chester. Keep up the good work. You've been showing me the innards & workings of reels I probably never would have seen.  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2019, 09:49:52 PM »

Lately I've discovered some of the smaller Daiwa silver spinners, the 500C, 1000C, and 1300C.  Checked for a 700C and they're priced outrageous on ebay--67 bucks for a used one, and $190 plus shipping for a NIB.   Shocked Huh?

I have a 70RL and it appears to be the same as your 70X. Unfortunately, it is not very smooth and it will "hang up" slightly during a slow retrieve. Did yours get smooth after the tune-up?

Also, does your spool sit solidly? Mine tends to wobble, not sure if I have a defective spool.

The reel does have some impressive qualities for a budget model though, like a very solid anti-reverse and the screw-in handle.

Thanks for the write-up!
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2019, 08:17:37 AM »

Lately I've discovered some of the smaller Daiwa silver spinners, the 500C, 1000C, and 1300C.  Checked for a 700C and they're priced outrageous on ebay--67 bucks for a used one, and $190 plus shipping for a NIB.   Shocked Huh?

I have a 70RL and it appears to be the same as your 70X. Unfortunately, it is not very smooth and it will "hang up" slightly during a slow retrieve. Did yours get smooth after the tune-up?

Also, does your spool sit solidly? Mine tends to wobble, not sure if I have a defective spool.

The reel does have some impressive qualities for a budget model though, like a very solid anti-reverse and the screw-in handle.

Thanks for the write-up!
Before I serviced it, yes, it would hang up a little but after I got it back together it's fine, no rotor wobble either.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2019, 04:13:50 PM »

Thanks Festus, but actually it's not the rotor that wobbles, it's the spool. If it's not too much hassle, could you post a pic of the underside of your spool?
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2019, 05:23:52 PM »

Sometimes it just needs a service -- and another, perhaps thicker, or newer under-spool washer.

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2019, 06:14:05 PM »

Thanks Festus, but actually it's not the rotor that wobbles, it's the spool. If it's not too much hassle, could you post a pic of the underside of your spool?
Here you go, nelz.  Mine is missing the spool click spring and pawl assembly.


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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2019, 06:41:59 PM »

Thanks man! Yeah, it looks like mine is missing what appears to be a pressed in sleeve in the spool's hole so it doesn't grip the shaft snugly and wobbles.

Was your clicker missing or did you remove it?
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2019, 07:06:20 PM »

Thanks man! Yeah, it looks like mine is missing what appears to be a pressed in sleeve in the spool's hole so it doesn't grip the shaft snugly and wobbles.

Was your clicker missing or did you remove it?
Mine was missing.  I checked some of my other Daiwas and they have the same setup.  I'll eventually find a donor reel hopefully and replace those 3 missing pieces.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2019, 08:29:15 PM »

not sure, but maybe the oldest Japan-made Spinmatics were similar platform "suped-up"
(completely different from modern outsourced plastic Spinmatic)
could only find rear-drags on eBay:
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/Sporting-Goods/888/i.html?_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=DAIWA+SPINMATIC



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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2019, 11:00:38 PM »

Mine was missing.  I checked some of my other Daiwas and they have the same setup.  I'll eventually find a donor reel hopefully and replace those 3 missing pieces

I removed mine, you can have them if you'd like. PM me your address and I'll send them out to you.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2019, 08:33:42 AM »

Thanks for doing that!

I really like the vintage Diawa’s, I’ve been fishing a mini mite for more years then I can remember.


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