Hook ID help?

[Decker]

I bought a reel on EB that came with these hooks.   Can someone help me identify them?

• Shank is about three inches long
• They don't have standard eyes, but are flat at the end with two holes.
• They appear to have been sharpened
• No visible rust

How are these intended to be used?  My guess is that there is some commercial application.   

Thanks.

[Crow]

Not sure, but I think they are meant to be used in "live bait", buy poking the semi-sharp hook shank through the bait (rather than trying to force the bait over the barb, and around the "bend"), and then it's attached to the line / leader. I *think* they are called "needle-eye" hooks

[Decker]

Crow, that makes sense...  I'm thinking not live bait but something like a whole finger mullet, inserted in the back and out through the mouth.  Wondering what it attaches to.

[Jim Fujitani]

Actually, they appear to be kirbed barbless Pacific Salmon trolling hooks, used by charter ocean passenger fishing vessels (party boats).  The deckhands prepare many of the baits before the boat leaves the dock.  Baits are easily changed by swapping hooks.  

The pointed "eye" is inserted in the back side (near the vent) of a whole dead anchovy, sardine, or herring (depending on the size of the hook) and the point is pushed along the spine up through the mouth of the bait.  A pin is pushed through the head of the bait and the second 'eye' of the hook.  A small small rubber band or length of thin wire is wrapped around the pin and looped around the head.  The pin and rubber band/wire keeps the bait from sliding down the hook, and some people place a bend in the bait, so the hook shank keeps the bait in position to slowly spin while on troll.  The front eye of the hook is then attached to the leader using a snap.

According to regulations, the hook must be barbless.  There is no point where the barb typically is, but there is a smooth bump, which is allowed.  (some DFW Wardens use a cotton ball to test for the presence of a "barb".)

The rig is held in the water column by using a weight (2-3 pound balls) on a sinker release above the leader, a down rigger, or a deep-six type planer.      

[philaroman]

Mustad used to make a double, barbed Crayfish (?) Hook

eye like that + clip (fancy, elongated version of their UL snap)

[Swami805]

X2 what Jim said, salmon trolling hook

[Benni3]

I ordered some small grubs from Amazon,,,hehe,,,,,, I'm going to cut them up and see if they work on trout,,,,,but they might be good on this too,,,,,,,,,,

[Decker]

Actually, they appear to be kirbed barbless Pacific Salmon trolling hooks, used by charter ocean passenger fishing vessels (party boats).  The deckhands prepare many of the baits before the boat leaves the dock.  Baits are easily changed by swapping hooks.  

The pointed "eye" is inserted in the back side (near the vent) of a whole dead anchovy, sardine, or herring (depending on the size of the hook) and the point is pushed along the spine up through the mouth of the bait.  A pin is pushed through the head of the bait and the second 'eye' of the hook.  A small small rubber band or length of thin wire is wrapped around the pin and looped around the head.  The pin and rubber band/wire keeps the bait from sliding down the hook, and some people place a bend in the bait, so the hook shank keeps the bait in position to slowly spin while on troll.  The front eye of the hook is then attached to the leader using a snap.

According to regulations, the hook must be barbless.  There is no point where the barb typically is, but there is a smooth bump, which is allowed.  (some DFW Wardens use a cotton ball to test for the presence of a "barb".)

The rig is held in the water column by using a weight (2-3 pound balls) on a sinker release above the leader, a down rigger, or a deep-six type planer.      

Jim,

Great info, thanks.  I did notice that the barbs were crushed, and some of the hook shanks were bent.  Interesting how the second hole is used to secure the bait. 

There was another post where the "dog whistle" that holds and releases a sinker ball like this was described.   I've never seen anything like that in the East.

If anyone would have use for these hooks, please PM me, and I could mail them out.   

[Benni3]

Good evening mr decker,,,,  the weapons you recovered in Belarus were confirmed to be hooks by a shadow organization syndicate IMF,,,,, Your mission if you should to choose to accept it is to catch a fish with this hook,,,,,, good luck Mr decker,,,,,,,,

This message well self-destruct in  5 seconds........

[oc1]

I'm going to cut them up

Benny, if you're going to cut them up you might check out the Gulp sandworms too.
-steve

[Decker]

Good evening mr decker,,,,  the weapons you recovered in Belarus were confirmed to be hooks by a shadow organization syndicate IMF,,,,, Your mission if you should to choose to accept it is to catch a fish with this hook,,,,,, good luck Mr decker,,,,,,,,

This message well self-destruct in  5 seconds........

Haha... took me a while to get it. That name comes from a Polish translation of my middle name.  I like to think of it as meaning "one who puts fish on the deck." 

[alantani]

DUDE!!!!!  THESE ARE OLD WEST COAST SALMON CROWBAR HOOKS!!!!  IF YOU DON'T HAVE A USE FOR THEM, SEND THEM OVER THIS WAY!!!!!!!

[Benni3]

Good evening mr decker,,,,  the weapons you recovered in Belarus were confirmed to be hooks by a shadow organization syndicate IMF,,,,, Your mission if you should to choose to accept it is to catch a fish with this hook,,,,,, good luck Mr decker,,,,,,,,

This message well self-destruct in  5 seconds........

Haha... took me a while to get it. That name comes from a Polish translation of my middle name.  I like to think of it as meaning "one who puts fish on the deck." 

I used to come to your area and work on the community one atms,,,,,,,,

[Swami805]

Here's what they look like in the package

[Decker]

DUDE!!!!!  THESE ARE OLD WEST COAST SALMON CROWBAR HOOKS!!!!  IF YOU DON'T HAVE A USE FOR THEM, SEND THEM OVER THIS WAY!!!!!!!

Alan, I was sure you were pulling my leg.  Now I'm amazed to have stumbled across something that elicits so many exclamation points from the Boss!  I'm sending them...