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Quote from: farmer56 on March 22, 2020, 04:07:55 PM
   Fred ...   farmer  here   ..  you  are  spot  on ...  the  vintage  older  engineering   was  and  is  remarkable ...  both  my  two  sons  share  the   same  views  as  you ..  i  see them  eye-balling all  the  reels  you made  for  me ...  so  Fred  just  look  what  your  legacy  will  be  in  my  family  alone  ..  the  boys each  have their  favorites  picked  out  .. thanks  again     Dennis

This is awesome...the boys love Fred's reels...they have great taste. I know my brother sure loves his 110 that Fred put together. Fred's Quick builds are like the president of DAM Quick requested a reel and they made him one that was tweaked in every possible way.
   Good to see you on here Dennis...hope you're doing well. 8)


thanks mo  all  is  well


Ok, farmer and others, I posted on Fred's  "Old Unusual and Historical Reels" thread, that if I could lose my fear of wrecking a Suveran I got offa eBay, I'd disassemble mine. This one will prolly be a shelf queen. Got it for $230 after shipping and Tax. Advertised as a "Salesman's Sample" from Bobber Down Tackle store in Ruthven, IA. Pretty close to the old Spirit Lake, IA, headquarters for Abu Garcia.

After reading Allen Hawk's review years ago, I bid on prolly 5 or 6 of these that had low starting prices. Too many had that automatic "raise it by a dollar above the highest bid" thing set-up. Won't play that game. Recently, I finally won one. I agree with his assessment on the design/engineering quality. There's some very high quality parts and unique design stuff goin on here. But he wrote: " It's basically a small sized ALL METAL freshwater reel". AS Fred and Nelz noted on page one here, there are some plastic assemblies, mostly in the center drag system and to a lesser extent in the AR unit. Also, there's a plastic cap and push button on top of the beautiful aluminum spool. This cap is threaded into the spool—plastic threads—a cardinal sin in construction for me.

Indeed it has no signs of fishing use, but there is some slight fading of the lettering "MORE" at the center drag adjustment wheel. That drag wheel might be one of the first things I myself would play with in the store, given the advertising: "Revolutionary New Center Drag Technology"(on the box). The bottom of what I'll call the spool assembly has "Pro Command Magnum Drag" written on it—sounds pretty cool, but real hyped.

I wanted to show some of the "plasticky" parts that the Allen Hawk review left out. Please, if interested in this reel, read his review. Oc1 Steve has the reference on page 1. Several comments from members about the looks: "unbalanced, ungainly, awkward. Yeah, a giant rotor and spool relative to the gearbox. Even the stem/seat and handle make the gearbox look small. But, it is well balanced when you crank it.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!


I couldn't find anything on the history of these reels. The manual I have says 1998.

The spool assembly, note the plastic screw-on cap and push-button;
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!


The spool hub(my noun for it). There are 3-main parts, all of them plastic composites. There are some metal components integrated with the hub sections: hub 1(top); a hub nut(screws onto the spool shaft) and ball bearing at the very top. A metal click spring for the drag when spinning. Note that hub part 1 is splined to a corresponding female section on the bottom of the spool. So, it's a ball bearing drag reel.

In these pictures, hub 1 is larger than hub 2, and hub 3 is of course, the largest. The last picture shows the external view of the AR system.

Inbetween the 1st and 2nd hub sections is where the rather complicated drag washer arrangement resides. Washers: 3-carbon, 2-eared metal, 2-keyed metal and 2-metal spring type on the bottom. Hub 2 has a metal click spring for drag adjustment. It is also splined for the drag washers and is threaded on the inside so it can be screwed upwards by turning hub 3.

Hub 3 has a hard rubber knurled outer section for drag adjustment, an aluminum insert with external threads and a nice anodized aluminium ring at the bottom, where the lettering is. Twisting it, screws hub 2 upwards into a stable hub 1, squeezing the drag washers(not showen).

Wow, godda get better at picture taking. Picture 2 & 3 are not complete, showing bad angles of hubs 1 & 2 and part of 3. Picture 4 shows the spool and all of the 3 hub parts. Picture 2 might give you an idea; from right to left: hub parts 1, 2 & 3. The drag washers I left up in hub 1, except for the spring washers which are still on hub 2.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

Wompus Cat

It is a Purdy Thang .
Too bad for all the plastic holding otherwise well endowed drag system together .
If a Grass Hopper Carried a Shotgun then the Birds wouldn't MESS with Him


👀The ARB and oscillating systems below the rotor. Didn't disassemble them, but you can see some small plastic parts and a plastic composite housing😫for the oscillation pawl(uppermost part, with the end of the pawl sticking out)IMO, a great way to do this on a spinning reel—It's a bait casting type of worm gear grove, machined into the spool shaft. The ARB on/off is the lower wheel on the reel. This one is plastic(as opposed to hard rubber like on the the upper drag adjustment wheel) and only moves about 15 degrees. The ARB is nylon(?) with plastic springs for the steel rollers. Yet more plastic supports these systems at the bottom(on top of the gearbox).

The handle assembly is really sturdy and innovative. Allen Hawk raves about it in his review and I agree with him.

BTW, this is a worm gear reel and another really cool design aspect is the worm is machined into 1 of the 3 parts that make up what I suppose you could call an elongated pinion gear. The whole spool shaft/pinion/ ARB/Oscillation complex is pretty darn unique and seems to be sturdy in-spite of of the plastic components.

I would really like to get a relatively inexpensive, used Suveran, just to see how it fishes. Might be hard to get one that's kinda beat-up enough to get a good price...

Externally, it's mostly a metal reel. Exposed plastic composites would be the spool cap, hub 3 and the AR on/off wheel. Everything else that isn't metal is covered/protected.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!


I just got a S1000M a couple of weeks back, found it on Facebook Marketplace 3 hours away near my brother's house.  I got it for a price I couldn't refuse, also came with a spare 1000 size spool, a spare 2000 size spool, spare drag module, spare handle, and a spare complete rotor with the bail arm and line roller.  I do really like it, but man is it heavy for a 1000 sized reel, considerably heavier than my Cardinal 3.  I'm on the fence whether to service it and use or or pass it along to somebody else.  I really like to hold on to these rare birds but I also like to fish them, and for me mostly fishing light and ultralight tackle, I fear it won't fit the way I fish.  Fantastic reel way ahead of its time, even now, and it makes me wonder what it would be like now if the design continued to be improved upon.

Here's a pic of the haul, almost forgot to post it up.