alan tani @ alantani.com fishing reel repair rebuild tutorial In search of TSS4 Speedmaster Special handle
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« on: August 01, 2021, 05:24:21 PM »

Hi guys. I have a Triton Speedmaster Special 4 TSS4 without a handle. Anyone know where I can buy a replacement handle? 


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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2021, 06:04:59 PM »

That looks like a screw-in crank, Mac —

Got a lot of Shimano handles — not sure how to match it up without being on the bench.

I will check later today when I return home — if no one else has a for-sure fitting crank.

Best, Fred
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2021, 08:34:24 PM »

Thank you, Fred!  And yes, it is a screw-in crank.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2021, 12:07:45 AM »

Still looking.  I called Shimano in Irvine, CA but they could not help  Sad.  Apparently, the Baitrunner 6500 handle will fit the TSS4.  If anyone knows where to find one of these handles, please let me know.  Thanks. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2021, 12:27:45 AM »

Found a few screw in cranks — the problem is, I don’t have that reel to match the loose cranks up with.

Will need some more information and a photo as to what we are looking for.

Best, Fred


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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2021, 12:33:03 AM »

Thanks, Fred. The Shimano part # is RD 2193. Attached is a pic. I hope this helps.


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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2021, 01:09:01 AM »

Just checked a couple of sources for you this morning — no luck so far.

I recently got rid of all of the Shimano parts.

Here are some loose handles — of which it is likely some could be modified to fit.

Hopefully someone will have the right crank.

Best, Fred


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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2021, 01:25:47 AM »

Measure the Size of the Hole if you have a Caliper  and let us know if you can
and either post a Close up of the Hole or tell us if it is Left or Right Hand Thread and if Course or Fine Thread will help .
There are GOBS of Handles I think will interchange off other Japanese Made Reels.


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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2021, 01:27:46 AM »

There are some on ebay — but they are really expensive.

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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2021, 02:23:20 AM »

Ok thanks. I will try to measure the hole ASAP.

Yes, someone overseas on the auction site has a handle for $52 plus tax  Shocked
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2021, 02:10:03 PM »

have very likely alternate/upgrade: Sustain 6000FA handles (RD4789) -- all metal / rosewood knob;
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=shimano+%28rd4789%2Crd-4789%2C4789%29&_sacat=1492&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1
the bling machined cap & wide aluminum collar fits most "boxy old blackies" like original Baitrunner
also, have 6000FA main gear bearings that are a straight swap for the plastic bushings in most "old blackies"  
4000FA handles fit the earlier 2000F so the screws should be same as older reels
I don't think Shimano started the "different screw for every model-year" nonsense, until SustainFB

also, pretty sure shimano went back to same screw size for early Malaysian direct drives
my handle went onto a huge modern Baitrunner 16 or 20,000, no problem -- similar overall dimensions/clearance
you may be able to use modern Malaysian screw-in, if the collar is not too skinny

what's expensive?  don't rush to overspend...  if you find a cheap known/measured match, grab it!!!
otherwise, I could do lightly used to near-mint RD4789 handles $25-30 (sorry, for asking >$20,
but value/price goes up since I figured out that they replace/upgrade later Malay "plasticky" handles)
BTW, your schematic is mixed in w/ conventionals under Triton: https://www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Triton/SHIMANO%20TRITON%20SPEEDMASTER%20SPECIAL%20TSS4US%2889-34%29.pdf
doesn't look like you need bearings; make sure you have a cap for the other side (also available)
stock photo:


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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2021, 06:24:04 PM »

Ok, here are some pics with measurements. Does this help? 


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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2021, 06:48:00 PM »

My old eyes say it's a 1/4 "  Coarse (Left Hand Thread) or @6.5 mm It could be reg.(Right ) thread but I just can't make it out . Generally Reels that are not Ambi.  favor Left Hand Threads with Handles  on the Left but not a Law ....lol
I have such a Handle off and old Eagle Claw Reel that Might work . Fred's looks like  no go in his pix.
Let me know if you can determine the Thread  direction.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2021, 06:58:46 PM »

Dumb question: how do I determine thread direction. Lol

When I spin the rotor as if reeling in line, the metal handle thread spins counter clockwise.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2021, 07:06:15 PM »

that's a reversible handle w/ compound screw -- both reg. & reverse-threaded
only one engages L/R -- the two sides of the gear are tapped differently
L/H retrieve is ALWAYS reverse-threaded & R/H is regular, otherwise reeling unscrews handle
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