47sh and 27sh upgrades

Started by JasonGotaProblem, March 25, 2022, 08:40:51 PM

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JasonGotaProblem

Ive done that before with some spinners and a spring scale. I'm comfy to about 15# and can do 20 for structure avoidance but not as a sustained thing my back is the first to go.

But heres the question: my 27SH has the washer shown below, the 47SH does not. Its not on the schematic for the 47SH so I don't know that it's a missing part , but the 27sh gear sleeve spins super freely on the post but the 47sh does not. Should I try to track down a washer that'll fit?
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Porthos

Do not recall any washer under the gear sleeve in my 47SH. The breakdown and rebuild of the handle side was no different than the 30H/170.

JasonGotaProblem

#32
Ok new wild eyed idea. The stock drags are like thick pieces of cardboard. Like about as thick as the metal washers. The new carbon drags are basically 2 carbon disks on either side of a thinner cardboard disk. Trying to match the stack height, i get it.

This gave me an idea that feels semi obvious. So I went to the conveniently nearby daiwa service center and bought an additional eared and keyed washer. If i can find thin carbon washers of appropriate ID & OD I can almost double the drag area of the reel at roughly the same stack height. Reasonable?

And to bring it full circle, what's the odds of successfully peeling and reusing the thin carbon disks my buddy already paid for?
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

handi2

I wouldn't try to peel the HT-100 washers. They will just fall apart.

Keith
OCD Reel Service & Repair
Gulf Breeze, FL

Porthos

#34
Measure the original three washers and compare to four HT100's as shown in my 30H tutorial. Then double up CF's for the first washer...

Bryan Young had already gone through the evaluation of 5+1 stack for the 50H/300H/350H (which appears to be the same for the 47SH). Unless your main gear has the eared washer slots all the way to the bottom, drilling out the existing shallow slots are necessary to make it work. This additional mod and its complexity was the reason he choose not to put together and market 5+1's for the 50H/300H/350H.

JasonGotaProblem

So i was about to order a clamp for the 27sh but for the life of me I can't figure out how one attaches.

Note the 47sh shows a clamp in the diagram, the 27sh does not.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Porthos

#36

thorhammer


Gfish

#38
Yeah. One a those Porthos posted would work. My thinking is that the reel(mine's spooled with #20lb. Maxima) shouldn't need a clamp, though I do gotta lanyard—-but that's for the reel+rod.
Here's mine, plus the original schematic(got mine in the box, including tool and Daiwa branded oil). Sometimes wonder about who musta been the the Japanese to English translators back in the day... "MULTI PLYING REEL"😜. A bit late in the game, but maybe you can use it.
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jurelometer

A slightly different opinion on the clamp:

A clamp like that Tiburon Universal is useful if you are using a rod that is cork taped  or cord wrapped and does not have a reel seat.  It is effectively acting as a reel seat, but not providing additional support.

With a rod with a reel seat, this will just get in the way of the hoods.

The  most useful clamp attaches at the frame away from and separate to the foot.   This helps prevent the reel from twisting under load when the line is at one side of the reel.  A clamp that attaches to a foot that is attached to the frame only minimally helps the reel from being levered forward.  The foot to frame attachment is still the point of failure.

I personally wouldn't bother with a clamp for this reel if the rod has a reel seat.

About carbon fiber drag washers:  The weave alone is incredibly weak.  Tabs and keys in washer will only hold when the weave is bound in resin.  Even a round/round washer made entirely of weave will get pulled apart.  Think about how weak your rod blank would be with all fiber and no resin.  Drag washers are just a flat sheet of multiple layers of weave in (hopefully heat resistant) resin, with the outside of the last layer on each side left resin free.

Hope this helps,

-J

johndtuttle

Quote from: thorhammer on April 06, 2022, 08:00:24 PMI sent a note to Alan C yesterday to see what he thought about making some offset blades to fit these reels, similar to the ones he just came out with for the Penn's. I'm in for at least a half dozen out of the gate if he does it- I know a lot of us have the small Daiwas, and I bet NONE of us like the toy handle. I know I have 11 reels without thinking hard that need this upgrade.

Keep the community updated on the handle issue. The handle on the 30h/27H is simply rediculous lol.

Count me in for a couple. :)

handi2

I would not use a rod clamp. I like to palm a reel of this size with my hand.

Keith
OCD Reel Service & Repair
Gulf Breeze, FL