Hottest new sinker rig technique

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Keta

Hi, my name is Lee and I have a fishing gear problem.
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RowdyW

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how do I get sound on youtube?

Bill B

I'm by far no expert and you could reliably call me a NOOB when it come to bluefin.  But just based on the mechanics of fishing I see a few issues.  If you have different opinions please chime in and correct me.

1. With this rigging there is very limited movement offered to the sardine.  There is no way the sardine can move with 10 ounces of lead pulling it down with tension from the main line pulling up.

2. Which leads to the bluefin, with historically sharp teeth grabbing both the main line and the sinker leader.  Yes the bluefin grabbing a bait will still bite the mainline, but will this arrangement aggravate the situation?

3. With limited movement of the bait, would bluefin be as enticed by it as a bait on the end of a 4' leader. (4' being the distance of the hook to the traditionally rubber banded sinker above).

4. If you are successful in hooking and landing the bluefin and the weight is still attached, what will the danger be with a free swinging 10 ounce weight to the deckhands? 

5. Why tie the mainline to the hook and the sinker to the ring?  Wouldn't the same mechanics apply if both were tied to the ring?  Why even use a ringed hook, tie both to the hook and call it good.  Or use a ringed hook and tie both to the ring.

6. Being the Doubting Thomas here, it seems like they are over thinking the problem and someone tried this and caught "A Fish" and now everyone is trying the "latest and greatest" thing.  As said before, lures catch fishermen and hooks catch fish.

7. If I'm striking out on more traditional sinker rigs I might try it, but then again I have a bunch of Fisherman Catching Jigs to try out before this.

As said before, I'm a NOOB at bluefin fishing, so chime in.  And I apologize if my rely is long winded.  Bill

It may not be very productive,
but it's sure going to be interesting!

Keta

Quote from: RowdyW on June 05, 2022, 05:00:00 AMhow do I get sound on youtube?

At the bottom there should be a speaker in the black bar, click on it.
Hi, my name is Lee and I have a fishing gear problem.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
Mark Twain

RowdyW

Quote from: Keta on June 05, 2022, 01:09:06 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on June 05, 2022, 05:00:00 AMhow do I get sound on youtube?

At the bottom there should be a speaker in the black bar, click on it.
I do that but it turns the logo on & off but no sound in the on position even at full volume. I used to have sound but I must have touched a wrong button someplace.

Aiala

I habitually use the closed captions instead of sound... but then, I've always preferred reading over noise.  :cf 

~A~

I don't suffer from insanity... I enjoy every minute of it!  :D

sciaenops

First off, the speaker (Sam at Island Tackle in Carson) knows his stuff.

Second, I'm not a fan of (nor an expert in) sinker fishing, but it works. All 4 fish hooked on my last trip were on a weighted (above leader) bait rig.

I gather the main advantage of drop shotting is getting down pronto  without tangling your bait. Hard to do with rubber band setup. So maybe better when they're deeper. With either rig, I can't see sardine to be free swimming anyway so thats a wash.

A 12oz torpedo hanging below my hooked fish mite bother me more than one above. But if rigged to break off, maybe not an issue either way

I used mostly ringed Mutus but not sure it matters. Bigger, stronger - stay away from small lite wire hooks.

The good news is with the concentration of fish around, you can try both and report back to us!

Gfish

Interesting x2. I've had success with a banana(trolling) weight ahead of my bait, but you do godda have SOME movement under power, drift or current and drop pretty slowly.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

jurelometer

Seems kinda weird.

Agree with Sciaenops:  If the most important thing is being first on the drop, this will get that part of the job done.

The other potential benefit is that since the hook is locked in place, the bait can't orient itself with absolutely no leader.  I would expect a lot of thrashing for a short time before the bait gets tired out.  Could be an attractant, and if the main point is getting a bite during or right after the drop, it doesn't matter if the bait doesn't stay lively for long.

It seems that it would be much harder for the bluefin to get hooked.  Tuna don't saunter up,  stop and nibble.  They swim right through the bait with their mouth open.  With this setup, the line is going to block the hook  from geting into the mouth.  But at least if you get a hook set, it won't be deep, and could be less likely to have the leader get chewed off. 

And without a leader, any swing or drag on that sinker going to be levering directly on the hook.  No bueno.

With a traditional setup, one  of the points of a smaller hook and lighter leader is to let them bait swim and maintain orientation more freely.   So I don't understand why someone would do this kind of rig on the the lighter side.  Might as well go heavy.

Why not just do something like a ring rig in the dropper loop style with a shorter and/or stiffer leader?

Quote from: Bill B on June 05, 2022, 05:54:25 AM6. Being the Doubting Thomas here, it seems like they are over thinking the problem and someone tried this and caught "A Fish" and now everyone is trying the "latest and greatest" thing.  As said before, lures catch fishermen and hooks catch fish.

7. If I'm striking out on more traditional sinker rigs I might try it, but then again I have a bunch of Fisherman Catching Jigs to try out before this.

As said before, I'm a NOOB at bluefin fishing, so chime in.  And I apologize if my reply is long winded.  Bill

Not long winded at all.  I appreciate when folks take the time to post their complete thoughts, and not just a quick word or two.  The internet is training us to have ridiculously short attention spans, and we are not better off for it.  Folks that only want to read short posts can simply skip the longer ones. Their loss.

Getting back to your point, I agree.  There is demand for content for new ways to try to catch bluefin.  Even the guy in the tackle shop wasn't really endorsing this.  The vibe that I got was more along the lines of: "Here is something new.  Some guys came into my shop that tried this and caught a fish or two."

-J

boon

We sometimes use a similar-ish rig when livebaiting for large Yellowtail in deep water over really rough terrain. If you rig the sinker above the bait it can swim into the bottom and get really hung up which is a huge pain on the heavy tackle we use.
The difference, though, is that we use a crimped sleeve swivel and a short (1ft max) leader off the side of the rig. You can still bomb your baits down but the bait (in theory) can sit away from the "backbone" making for a cleaner hookup if a fish takes it. More complexity and mass to the rig, granted, but when the YT are switched on it doesn't really matter.