Penn 712Z opportunities

oldmanjoe · July 21, 2022, 12:19:13 AM

What are you using for a penetrating oil ?
High setting for 2 minutes ,get the oil smokem Hot

Midway Tommy · July 21, 2022, 02:20:30 AM

You get it too hot you'll bubble the paint. Be careful! If penetrating oil won't do the job try a little acetone or lacquer thinner in the joint between the bearing and housing from the top side. Your main objective should be to get the bearing out of the body. Getting the bearing off the pinion after that is done is fairly simple.

JasonGotaProblem · July 21, 2022, 03:11:32 AM

So I ended up with one of these today in a bin of free 'junk' reels. One man's trash...

sandbar · July 22, 2022, 11:57:53 PM

I'm using PB Blaster Joe.
What would you recommend?

Tommy
The bearing and pinion are already separated.

oldmanjoe · July 23, 2022, 12:16:02 AM

PB blaster and liquid wrench are my go too`s, I was worried that you were going to say wd40

JasonGotaProblem · July 25, 2022, 11:50:23 PM

So my 712z main gear will not budge. I don't see anything on the schematic that would lock it in place

Wompus Cat · July 26, 2022, 12:15:39 AM

Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on July 25, 2022, 11:50:23 PMSo my 712z main gear will not budge. I don't see anything on the schematic that would lock it in place

When you say Won't Budge .
Do you mean it won't turn or you can not Remove it from the Housing ?

JasonGotaProblem · July 26, 2022, 12:46:33 AM

Quote from: Wompus Cat on July 26, 2022, 12:15:39 AM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on July 25, 2022, 11:50:23 PMSo my 712z main gear will not budge. I don't see anything on the schematic that would lock it in place

When you say Won't Budge .
Do you mean it won't turn or you can not Remove it from the Housing ?

Can't remove and can barely turn. The handle side brass washer doesn't budge either.

oldmanjoe · July 26, 2022, 01:07:33 AM

Did you unscrew the handle ?

Midway Tommy · July 26, 2022, 02:17:28 AM

Well use that little oil port and squirt some liquid wrench in there and work it around and back and forth. Are the main gear and pinion binding? Also, make sure the A/R dawg is disengaged, not just the lever. Once you get the two gears unbound and have a little slack you can tap the threaded end of the main gear using a hammer with a hardwood block in between. Don't hit it hard though, tap it just light enough that it will move sideways on the pinion worm gear. It should slide sideways while turning the pinion.

JasonGotaProblem · July 26, 2022, 02:33:45 AM

Thank you joe for the vote of confidence.

I managed to get it off, it was badly salt-locked. I ended up putting it in the vise. If the reel didn't already have a broken foot (another story) I wouldn't be so bold. But hey it worked.

That's an oil port? Brilliant. This is my first time with a proper egg beater. Such simplicity eluded me.

Wompus Cat · July 26, 2022, 11:06:47 AM

Now that you have the Gear out of the housing and if you want to reuse it on another Housing or Repair the one you have , look closely at the slot on the shaft if it has one where the oil hole lines up with as they get Burred a bit and will cause the problem you had .You can use a Jewelers File or Emory Board to dress those edges up then use some FINE sandpaper on the shaft to polish it a bit .

JasonGotaProblem · July 26, 2022, 02:23:45 PM

That slot was caked with salt, and the oil hole didn't look like an oil hole because it appears completely filled in. Like there's a piece of metal there. Whyyyyy

Below is a pic of the busted foot. I will not be buying a new housing for this reel. I've never been a huge fan of recessed reel spools (I recognize the nostalgia factor for many of you but im too young to share it), so I wont be investing many resources in a reel I won't use a lot. I'll do drags if stock is not CF, and the factory bearing is still good so no change needed there. Given the quality nature of the internal metals, it'll likely be used for wading because dropping it in salt wouldn't necessarily end the day, as long as i clean it when i get home.

The decision is to cut it off and leave it short, or just file it smooth and leave it diagonal. Suspect a reel seat will need to be present to properly answer that question. I suspect if I cut it off it'll still fit into a fuji seat just fine, but maybe not a size 16 seat which is what I have the most of currently.

foakes · July 26, 2022, 02:52:09 PM

Good thoughts...

Best, Fred

Wompus Cat · July 26, 2022, 04:42:01 PM

Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on July 26, 2022, 02:23:45 PMThat slot was caked with salt, and the oil hole didn't look like an oil hole because it appears completely filled in. Like there's a piece of metal there. Whyyyyy

Below is a pic of the busted foot. I will not be buying a new housing for this reel. I've never been a huge fan of recessed reel spools (I recognize the nostalgia factor for many of you but im too young to share it), so I wont be investing many resources in a reel I won't use a lot. I'll do drags if stock is not CF, and the factory bearing is still good so no change needed there. Given the quality nature of the internal metals, it'll likely be used for wading because dropping it in salt wouldn't necessarily end the day, as long as i clean it when i get home.

The decision is to cut it off and leave it short, or just file it smooth and leave it diagonal. Suspect a reel seat will need to be present to properly answer that question. I suspect if I cut it off it'll still fit into a fuji seat just fine, but maybe not a size 16 seat which is what I have the most of currently.

I would not cut it off as you got enough there to hold pretty good . Might do a little filing on the Rough edge but the Fish Don't CARE .............