Okuma Custom Blue 5Nii

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boon

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I have most of my YT rods set for 28lbs initially... gets them moving in the right direction  ^-^ But then we're not fishing 30lb sets for them, obviously.


Ron Jones

I like the idea of the adjustable stop. If I needed a stop at all, I would like to decide where it is, but I never have any idea how much drag I am using in pounds, I just change it to what I need as I fight the fish.

I disagree with starting at max drag on anything except with iron. My first trip, I lost several yellowtail on the first full day and Martin, who I argue is the best Panga Captain anywhere, kept saying "take it easy, take it easy." Yellowtail hit hard, and if the drag is to strong they tend to go away. I believe they hit so hard that they rip the bait off before the hook is in position to do its job, but have no way of proving that hypothesis. I just know that letting the fish run for a bit results in more reliable hookups, even with swimbaits.
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jurelometer

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Quote from: Ron Jones on September 13, 2022, 11:59:46 PMI like the idea of the adjustable stop. If I needed a stop at all, I would like to decide where it is, but I never have any idea how much drag I am using in pounds, I just change it to what I need as I fight the fish.

I disagree with starting at max drag on anything except with iron. My first trip, I lost several yellowtail on the first full day and Martin, who I argue is the best Panga Captain anywhere, kept saying "take it easy, take it easy." Yellowtail hit hard, and if the drag is to strong they tend to go away. I believe they hit so hard that they rip the bait off before the hook is in position to do its job, but have no way of proving that hypothesis. I just know that letting the fish run for a bit results in more reliable hookups, even with swimbaits.
The Man

You don't have to jump from zero to max.  You just need to get there soon.  If you are fishing circle hooks on the drift/drop, the lever drag is your friend. Once you decide that it is time, just gradually move up the lever until the rod loads up and keep going until you hit high drag.  With a star, it is on/off, so you might have to compromise down a bit for the initial drag, and adjust the star on the fly once the rod loads up.

If I am trolling live bait, that means that I am so desperate for a fish that I will have the rod in my hand and the reel in freespool, and use my thumb to manage light tension during the troll and take. If you are sticking it in a rod holder, usually just enough tension to keep the spool from turning, but otherwise the same.  A lever is your friend here too.

If you are losing fish because they don't get hooked or not hooked well, especially on the circle hooks, it is usually from trying to set the hook or not letting them run long enough in "freespool".  If you are breaking off fish from pulling too hard on 60 lb leader attached to 80 lb braid, you are either stronger than anyone that I have fished with, or you need some work on you knots.  If you are losing fish because of abrasion... well maybe more drag earlier on, so it is harder for them to reach the rocks.

Quote from: boon on September 13, 2022, 11:44:25 PMI have most of my YT rods set for 28lbs initially... gets them moving in the right direction  ^-^ But then we're not fishing 30lb sets for them, obviously.


Yup.  The lesser of what the reel can handle, what I can handle without injury, and what won't break the line. At 28, it is a bit hard to keep me in the panga if the seas are a bit bouncy.  I am usually closer to  20.

Quote from: oldmanjoe on September 13, 2022, 10:48:11 PMI don`t have a dog in this fight .    But if i was to experimenter with a drag profile , i would look at spring washers , wave washers and belleville washers and the combinations of both spring and belleville  washers .    Wave washer would help the low end and the belleville would the high end ..

https://www.spirol.com/assets/files/disc_wp_differences_between_disc_springs_and_belleville_washers_us.pdf

https://www.design-engineering.com/the-difference-between-disc-springs-and-belleville-washers-1004037495/
Interesting on the disc spring vs belleville thing!  I keep learning new stuff on this thread.  Sounds like more of a spec thing than something functionally different.  McMaster uses them interchangeably.  But if there was a load to deflection chart, it would take out some of the guesswork, which would be nice.

The goal here is to have a spring stack with a linear load increase as the cam rise compresses it.  Not sure that a wave is going to help in this situation, especially where we are talking about some fairly large forces for a spring that small and a limited travel range to work with.

Recoil Rob

Is there a tutorial showing how to replace the riveted handle knob on this reel?

I'd like to get a blue round knob for it.

thanks,

 Rob
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   - Errol Flynn

boon

A center-punch and a drill press, sadly, or you can mill or file the back off the rivet then punch it out. I can't remember the exact hole diameter.

Recoil Rob

Are knobs made for different hole diameters? Be good to know before ruining the original.

thanks,

 Rob
My problem lies in reconciling my gross habits with my net income.
   - Errol Flynn

rogan

I checked mine, the hole diameter is probably 5mm. It's between 3/16 and 13/64. Alan' handle bolt is a perfect fit. As long as your replacement bolt is 3/16inch or 5mm, you should be ok.

As far as tutorials, look up Alan's handle installion thread in his section. He does a great job of explaining how to remove the old handles.

Bobber21

Great thread,learned a lot. Received today the 5ii, after playing with it ordered the 5Nii for 30lb use in the GOM on a PCH801H aboard our version of LR boats, the Yankee Captain. Bottom fishing 200-400' for snapper,grouper,blackfin tuna. The 5ii will spool 40lb on a PCH801XH. Also have the new Alijos 5Nii on the Temple Reef 8' Innovate MH. I need to change my name to Okuma Boy!

sabaman1

Quote from: jurelometer on September 13, 2022, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: sabaman1 on September 13, 2022, 07:22:59 AMLooking at the specs and size of the reel it looks to be designed to fish no more than 25lb test mono. Which would give you a setting of maybe 8lbs at strike and 12lbs at full. I think if you want to fish those drag numbers your speaking of, the cavalla 12ll is the reel for you.
The Okuma USA site lists capacity  for 40 and 50lb braid, and max drag strike/sunset at 15/24 lbs.

https://okumafishingusa.com/products/cavalla-lever-drag-reels.

The international Okuma site lists same max drag in kilos  but doesn't specify braid test, just capacity by line diameter.

Not commenting on what the max practical settings for this reel might be, just what the published specs are.

-J
 
Sorry, my mistake!
JIM