Bluetooth enabled reel, Daiwa IM Z Limitbreaker

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Brewcrafter

Interesting concept.  Now I will only rehash a couple of points that have been made many times by wiser folks than I on this forum.  1.  Tackle companies (for the most part) aren't planning on selling reels to guys like us on the forum that want an easily maintained Sherman tank that also comes with an endless supply of easily replaceable parts that you won't likely need to replace anyway.  Great way to go broke.  We are not their target market for the most part, and we are a small (vocal and important!) part of the fishing community.  (Exception - Fly reels that most kids with a 70's high school metalshop education could knock out in their garage, but the higher the price tag and "Mo' Betta".  I'm kidding.  This part in parenthesis is sarcasm).  2.  Any company today is struggling on "how do we tap into Generation #" to insure that they can continue to sell products into the decades ahead.  And, for better or worse, the young folks of today (and the current/future customers) of any company are going to be into a "connected" world in ways that we cannot begin to imagine (even if it makes no sense - to me).  For myself as a parent it is "merely" a struggle to understand my kids (challenge enough!) but for me as the Corporate Guy I can tell you we struggle everyday with the fact that it is not just enough to make the "greatest widget" (or in my case, pint) out there, but how do we figure out what potential NEW customers want?  How do we continue to grow our customer base?  (Nothing worse than having an awesome (insert Noun here: Fishing Reel, Car, Beer) that nobody wants to buy).  Fred and Tommy showed us some beautiful Shakespeare reels in the last few weeks that were only made for a few years that there was absolutely nothing wrong about them and were beautifully made (and thank you for sharing your wisdom!) - but they didn't sell.  Current big companies (the good ones) are looking 10-20 years down the road and trying to "guess" (well, they spend a LOT of money making those guesses) on what the next "hot reel trend" is going to be and at the same time trying to "one up first to market" - Shiawa, Daimano, Purim, Kumono, they are all top companies and I would be shocked if they are not doing it.  So a reel with flashing diodes that connects to your phone?  I can understand the "why"... - john

JasonGotaProblem

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John great write up.

I think about when abu released the first mag brake 40 years ago. I would bet that at least a few people in the board room said this is stupid the old timers are gonna laugh at us we should just keep it simple my thumb works just fine.

And I'm willing to bet some of you folks were around and remember these coming out, and your grumpy uncle probably laughed at it, and those who use them.

But I can't think of any newly released baitcaster that doesn't have at least a rudimentary mag brake, and I'm willing to bet in 1982 nobody expected that. Now that's not to say all baitcasters in the future will be Bluetooth connected, and I hope not. But when I bought a new garage door I was horrified to find that all garage doors are Bluetooth and wifi connected now. And I see no reason for that. But every garage door opener company does that now.

Non-silver lining prediction: next will be an "anti theft feature" where the reel won't operate unless it's connected to the owner's phone, AND the web-based subscription service. When the Bluetooth fails, the reel is a brick.
And it'll be like college textbooks. Yeah you can buy it used, but that does you no good without the access code that costs as much as the new book.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Robert Janssen

#17
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on January 24, 2023, 02:32:31 PM...when abu released the first mag brake 40 years ago. I would bet that at least a few people in the board room said this is stupid the old timers are gonna laugh at us...

Just as a historical anecdote, it wasn't ABU. It was Ocean City who released the first mag brake, in the mid-1940s.

Some technology just needs to wait for the right time, I guess.

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Shellbelly

Fellas.  Connectivity will find its place.  It'll be where the consumer wants it.  In the interim, it'll be tried on everything.  A good friend of mine has a defib/heart monitor.  If it detects an issue, it makes a call.  Good idea.  Our dishwasher is Bluetooth-enabled.  What the heck for? 

As for a fishing reel, it's too early to say.  It would take a practical and experienced fisherman/programmer person to make that work.  I don't think that generation is in place yet. 

Anybody remember Zager and Evans, "In the year 2525"?  I was 10 and that was a cool song.  Mom and Dad didn't think so. 

alantani

send me an email at alantani@yahoo.com for questions!

boon

Quote from: Shellbelly on January 24, 2023, 06:27:56 PMOur dishwasher is Bluetooth-enabled.  What the heck for? 

It's so the better half can remind you to unload it 0.46 seconds after the cycle completes  :cf

Shellbelly

Quote from: boon on January 24, 2023, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: Shellbelly on January 24, 2023, 06:27:56 PMOur dishwasher is Bluetooth-enabled.  What the heck for? 

It's so the better half can remind you to unload it 0.46 seconds after the cycle completes  :cf

Ah!  That's why she threw away the clean/dirty magnet sign thing.  I relied on that thing.

Cor

Quote from: 0119 on January 21, 2023, 07:23:18 PMIt took to this year and aching arthritis to get me to abandon my 1960's Ambassadeurs for low profile reels. I can't see needing computer assistance with my casting. I bet it catches on like wildfire. Like cars that don't let you wander out of your lane so you can keep looking down at your cellphone.
You have my sympathy, I have gone through the same change, 50 size reels for Tranx, strong heavy rods for minimum strength usable.    Only fishing 1/4 of what I did 5 years ago.   I have "sort of" come to terms with this which is important.

Next week have to see orthopaedic surgeon to hear what can be done to recondition worn out parts (Knees and hips)   Luckily we live in an age where they can replace those parts very satisfactorily.
Cornelis

Cor

#23
Quote from: Brewcrafter on January 24, 2023, 07:52:59 AMInteresting concept.  Now I will only rehash a couple of points that have been made many times by wiser folks than I on this forum.  1.  Tackle companies (for the most part) aren't planning on selling reels to guys like us on the forum that want an easily maintained Sherman tank that also comes with an endless supply of easily replaceable parts that you won't likely need to replace anyway.  Great way to go broke.  We are not their target market for the most part, and we are a small (vocal and important!) part of the fishing community.  (Exception - Fly reels that most kids with a 70's high school metalshop education could knock out in their garage, but the higher the price tag and "Mo' Betta".  I'm kidding.  This part in parenthesis is sarcasm).  2.  Any company today is struggling on "how do we tap into Generation #" to insure that they can continue to sell products into the decades ahead.  And, for better or worse, the young folks of today (and the current/future customers) of any company are going to be into a "connected" world in ways that we cannot begin to imagine (even if it makes no sense - to me).  For myself as a parent it is "merely" a struggle to understand my kids (challenge enough!) but for me as the Corporate Guy I can tell you we struggle everyday with the fact that it is not just enough to make the "greatest widget" (or in my case, pint) out there, but how do we figure out what potential NEW customers want?  How do we continue to grow our customer base?  (Nothing worse than having an awesome (insert Noun here: Fishing Reel, Car, Beer) that nobody wants to buy).  Fred and Tommy showed us some beautiful Shakespeare reels in the last few weeks that were only made for a few years that there was absolutely nothing wrong about them and were beautifully made (and thank you for sharing your wisdom!) - but they didn't sell.  Current big companies (the good ones) are looking 10-20 years down the road and trying to "guess" (well, they spend a LOT of money making those guesses) on what the next "hot reel trend" is going to be and at the same time trying to "one up first to market" - Shiawa, Daimano, Purim, Kumono, they are all top companies and I would be shocked if they are not doing it.  So a reel with flashing diodes that connects to your phone?  I can understand the "why"... - john
You wring a marketing thesis... ?:-*
Cornelis

Keta

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0119

Quote from: Cor on January 25, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: 0119 on January 21, 2023, 07:23:18 PMIt took to this year and aching arthritis to get me to abandon my 1960's Ambassadeurs for low profile reels. I can't see needing computer assistance with my casting. I bet it catches on like wildfire. Like cars that don't let you wander out of your lane so you can keep looking down at your cellphone.
Luckily we live in an age where they can replace those parts very satisfactorily.


Good luck to you. My wife's knee replacement has been unsuccessful. Seeing her agony, I will avoid it at all costs.

Gfish

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Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2023, 03:33:48 PMWhy????

To sell more stuff. Daiwa is on it early. Shimano maybe next, then maybe Abu-Garcia, etc.
So, one more data set to be tracked for marketing?... doesn't my "stupid-phone" in my pocket while fishing, already doing that? They have my location, movements and sounds. When I take the thing out of my pocket for a picture or call, they get a visual. How would they use reel data?
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

JasonGotaProblem

Also the more I think about it, garage door openers are Bluetooth enabled because one company started doing it, and the rest couldn't risk being the one offering fewer features.

And so it'll likely happen with reels too. I bet in the next 10 years every major tackle brand will offer a Bluetooth connected reel. Just to not be the one left behind.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

Brewcrafter

Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2023, 03:33:48 PMWhy????
Because they are trying to figure out how to make money in the years ahead from the next generation of buyers. - john

philaroman

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Quote from: Brewcrafter on January 25, 2023, 09:05:15 PM
Quote from: Keta on January 25, 2023, 03:33:48 PMWhy????
Because they are trying to figure out how to make money in the years ahead from the next generation of buyers. - john

silly nonsense... 
just put one-thumb two-drone controls on top of the reel
that's TWO drones: bait-bomber & gull/shitaquart-fighter