114H clicker issue

Beefer · January 17, 2011, 06:48:06 AM

I just completed a rebuild on a 114H, and everything is great except for the clicker. When the clicker is engaged, I can crank the handle, but it feels like it's binding, and the spool won't spin. If I manually spin the spool, the clicker disengages. Also, when I feed line out (like a fish is pulling) with the drag backed off, the clicker makes one click, then disengages.

I've taken it apart, checked the clicker, and re-assembled about 6 times. Everything looks correct; click spring isn't bent, appears to be seated correctly, and click tongue appears to be setting correctly. Any ideas on the problem, or how to correct this?

alantani · January 20, 2011, 02:55:55 AM

the click button could be worn or the spool could be spaced over to the right too far. also, is the click spring screwed down tightly enough?

erikpowell · July 13, 2011, 11:49:42 PM

Bula! Yeah, I'm having the same issue on a 309 & a 268 Long Beach.... no sign of wear, everything is sweet is far as i can tell, they worked perfectly till i jumped in. the 309 is like new and I just replaced the clicker pawl on the 268 because it was rusted off...
same here ... back & forth like 6 times and the clickers will engage for a sec then let go...hmmmmm . any other ideas gang?
Vinaka-

alantani · July 14, 2011, 12:03:56 AM

watch the click button and see if it jumps back after the first click.

erikpowell · July 14, 2011, 12:10:09 AM

man you're fast!
hmmm. yep, not everytime but if i tilt the reel handle side down and take a turn or two, the button will jump up a bit and partially disengage the clicker. a slight nudge of the spool to the left will pop it back

erikpowell · July 14, 2011, 12:19:29 AM

correction.. i can only nudge the spool back to the left AFTER i disengage the clicker. if not, feels like the click gear is jammed against the outside face of the clicker

Alto Mare · July 14, 2011, 02:32:04 AM

If you have side play with the spool, try tightening the left side bearing/bushing, see if that helps.

erikpowell · July 14, 2011, 02:52:49 AM

yeah, negative, tried that but doesn't help... its almost like it needs to be tightened/pushed from the other side instead.. i have no idea where all that play came from! on the 268 Long Beach that play is over 1/8"... any more ideas? this is mind bending

Alto Mare · July 14, 2011, 03:08:46 AM

Over 1/8 of an inch is more than usual, you probably have the wrong spool on that reel. Where did you get the reels from?

Bryan Young · July 14, 2011, 05:25:10 AM

Quote from: erikpowell on July 14, 2011, 02:52:49 AM
yeah, negative, tried that but doesn't help... its almost like it needs to be tightened/pushed from the other side instead.. i have no idea where all that play came from! on the 268 Long Beach that play is over 1/8"... any more ideas? this is mind bending

That seems odd. Does the reel have the right side bearing (it's actually a bushing but Penn cals it a bearing) or is that loose as well?

alantani · July 14, 2011, 05:28:59 AM

either that or the hardened stainless steel spool shaft has cut into the soft brass end cap bushings.

erikpowell · July 14, 2011, 06:26:20 AM

Quote from: alantani on July 14, 2011, 05:28:59 AM
either that or the hardened stainless steel spool shaft has cut into the soft brass end cap bushings.

hmm, that may be likely as I had to loosen the left tension knob with pliers.. it was TIGHT when it came to me.
and for BY, the Bushing cap on the rt side is like a 3/8" tube that accepts the spool shaft, and its tight, seems i would want to add a shim/spacer/etc to the inside of that bush to push the spool to the left some more. most of the play is to the right.
... I thought I had it licked when I pulled the click tongue & flipped it over thinking it may have been worn but alas...NOT.
The thing is...I'm 90% sure the clicker worked sweet before, I always check functions before i strip a reel & that was not on my trouble list. it seemed to work fine, it just came to me for a service thats it...
....i'm gonna go work on a shimano for awhile & sleep on it, see if the a.m. brings any revelations...Vinaka!

redsetta · July 14, 2011, 06:34:39 AM

Might be worth shimming the back of the left-side bush, just to see if it helps.
It sounds a bit like my 113H - the left-side bearer was wound fully down and still had significant play.
I shimmed both sides and now it's spot on...

erikpowell · July 14, 2011, 06:36:49 AM

what'd you use for shims? they'd need to be tiny little buggers

redsetta · July 14, 2011, 06:55:24 AM

Yeah, tiny. I tried teflon and copper, but settled on a red, fibrous material and was easily shaped with a file, would be unaffected by corrosion and was the right thickness for the task.
I'll take some photos and post 'em later this evening.