PENN 650 SS / 6500 SS Gear Ratio Mystery

[ez2cdave]

You won't notice a 4.7 vs a 4.8 gear ratio when using the reel.... I'm wondering if they are the same (count gear teeth and divide main/pinion), but rounded up in one reel and down in the other???

Sid

53 / 11 on the 650 SS = 4.818  (52 / 11 = 4.727, but I count 53 teeth on the Brass gear in the pic in this thread)

34 / 7 of the 6500 SS = 4.857 ("34" count is "estimated" , as part of the Alloy gear is blocked in the pic in this thread)

Can someone "double-check" me, please ?

Tight Lines !

[Fisherman Paul]

You won't notice a 4.7 vs a 4.8 gear ratio when using the reel.... I'm wondering if they are the same (count gear teeth and divide main/pinion), but rounded up in one reel and down in the other???

Sid

53 / 11 on the 650 SS = 4.818  (52 / 11 = 4.727, but I count 53 teeth on the Brass gear in the pic in this thread)

34 / 7 of the 6500 SS = 4.857 ("34" count is "estimated" , as part of the Alloy gear is blocked in the pic in this thread)

Can someone "double-check" me, please ?

Tight Lines !

Dave, if you have a look at the 650ss v 6500ss parts diagram in page 1
of your blog its all there buddy re-part number, if it has the same part
number it will fit, what im saying is there is no such thing as part 6500ss
bar the different part numbers, you will find 96% of the 650ss parts
are the same for the 6500ss not the other way round, the 650ss came first
2nd gen, 6500ss next 3rd generation.

The only change re-part number buddy is the gear change hence the different
part number for the pivot/main gear/side plate and housing, if you look
you will see this in the 650ss drawing/parts, now look at the 6500ss drawing/parts
you will see the answer to your question.

All my reels are done by part number, no need for pics.

[ez2cdave]

You won't notice a 4.7 vs a 4.8 gear ratio when using the reel.... I'm wondering if they are the same (count gear teeth and divide main/pinion), but rounded up in one reel and down in the other???

Sid

53 / 11 on the 650 SS = 4.818  (52 / 11 = 4.727, but I count 53 teeth on the Brass gear in the pic in this thread)

34 / 7 of the 6500 SS = 4.857 ("34" count is "estimated" , as part of the Alloy gear is blocked in the pic in this thread)

Can someone "double-check" me, please ?

Tight Lines !

Dave, if you have a look at the 650ss v 6500ss parts diagram in page 1
of your blog its all there buddy re-part number, if it has the same part
number it will fit, what im saying is there is no such thing as part 6500ss
bar the different part numbers, you will find 96% of the 650ss parts
are the same for the 6500ss not the other way round, the 650ss came first
2nd gen, 6500ss next 3rd generation.

The only change re-part number buddy is the gear change hence the different
part number for the pivot/main gear/side plate and housing, if you look
you will see this in the 650ss drawing/parts, now look at the 6500ss drawing/parts
you will see the answer to your question.

All my reels are done by part number, no need for pics.

Right . . . I was just noting the big difference in the "tooth count" between the 4.7:1 Brass Gears and the 4.8:1 Alloy Gears. I prefer the Brass Gears.

[Fisherman Paul]

You won't notice a 4.7 vs a 4.8 gear ratio when using the reel.... I'm wondering if they are the same (count gear teeth and divide main/pinion), but rounded up in one reel and down in the other???

Sid

53 / 11 on the 650 SS = 4.818  (52 / 11 = 4.727, but I count 53 teeth on the Brass gear in the pic in this thread)

34 / 7 of the 6500 SS = 4.857 ("34" count is "estimated" , as part of the Alloy gear is blocked in the pic in this thread)

Can someone "double-check" me, please ?

Tight Lines !

Dave, if you have a look at the 650ss v 6500ss parts diagram in page 1
of your blog its all there buddy re-part number, if it has the same part
number it will fit, what im saying is there is no such thing as part 6500ss
bar the different part numbers, you will find 96% of the 650ss parts
are the same for the 6500ss not the other way round, the 650ss came first
2nd gen, 6500ss next 3rd generation.

The only change re-part number buddy is the gear change hence the different
part number for the pivot/main gear/side plate and housing, if you look
you will see this in the 650ss drawing/parts, now look at the 6500ss drawing/parts
you will see the answer to your question.

All my reels are done by part number, no need for pics.

Right . . . I was just noting the big difference in the "tooth count" between the 4.7:1 Brass Gears and the 4.8:1 Alloy Gears. I prefer the Brass Gears.

So do i Dave, taking out the crap white metal crosswind gear out
of the 0ss reels and putting in the bronze one (same part number)
it is an awesome reel, difference is staggering.

[Fisherman Paul]

For example, new old stock, notice it starts with 650ss then says 6500ss.

If you go to his other items for sale you wil see a rotor head for sale,
notice again how it says new old stock and says 650ss then says 6500ss,
now look as shown part number under cup 27-650-1 not 27-6500-1
and so on.

All parts for an original 6500ss will have 96% approx off 650ss parts.

Trying to put a 650ss gear set up in to a 6500ss reel will not work
but every other part number match will fit in a 6500ss
reel in to a 650ss reel as its an 650ss part

Im only talking original reels here. Yep having the 3 bronze gears
in these 0ss reels is some engineering.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PENN-SPINFISHER-650SS-6500SS-NOS-MINT-SPOOL-SHAFT-SPINNING-REEL-PART-39-650-USA-/371563948146?hash=item5682efe872:g:UEwAAOSwX~dWjFPU

[Fisherman Paul]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PENN-SPINFISHER-650SS-6500SS-NOS-MINT-SPINNING-REEL-ROTATING-HEAD-PART-27-650-/371563948059?hash=item5682efe81b:g:PsEAAOSwGotWjXKF

[Fisherman Paul]

Wow, 650ss reel arrived this morning, opened her up
oh what a lucky boy, 3 bronze gears looking right at me,
reel could pass as new not a mark, will put up pics later on.

What a find.

[ez2cdave]

Wow, 650ss reel arrived this morning, opened her up
oh what a lucky boy, 3 bronze gears looking right at me,
reel could pass as new not a mark, will put up pics later on.

What a find.

WOO-HOO . . . PICS  ! ! !

[foakes]

Nice, Paul --

Looking forward to seeing it after you get it prepped and serviced properly.

Best,

Fred