Stainless Gear Set for 113H

[broadway]

If any of you guys want to have the gears made go for it. China is a great place for having parts manufactured if its not a precise part. There aren't as many precision manufacturers of gears even in the US, as one would think. Also, if you're going to do the deburring and clean up then I hope you have the time and the passion for it.... I have the passion, however lack the time. Lastly, as most of you are, I too am a perfectionist and don't believe spur gears are as quiet, strong, or as durable as helicals so I don't see why I'd have them manufactured. Now if I was looking to make more money I would go with spurs but that's not what this is all about. I will continue on my helical path, but I don't want anyone to think they can't go and have them made or attempt to have them made properly. I would even buy a couple sets (if precisely made of course) from whoever was actually successful. Good luck!
Dom

[Makule]

I would go with spurs but that's not what this is all about

For me, the gears are just parts of tools.  Spur gears can crank the fish in as good as helicals, albeit a little less smoothly and quietly.  Don't think it makes a meaningful difference for me.  My recollection is that Penn did use spur gears in the early versions of the Senators.  Probably have a few of those gears around, either in the parts box or in old reels, that weren't even SS, just hardened steel.

113H 4:1 main gear is 1.482 OD, 48 teeth, face width is .260, tooth depth (root circle about 1.260) is about .060, overall gear height is .475, recess depth is .350, major ID is 1.075, minor ID (sleeve hole) is .497; two .125 holes drilled to depth on center with major ID.

Helical angle appears to be 7 degrees.

Pinion is .434 OD, 12 teeth.  Overall face height is .507, pinion shaft hole is about .215, .065 width ring at about .055 from one end, .225 slot milled across face to depth of about .01. 

All dimensions in inches.

If anyone tries China, hope you have better luck than me.  I thought I was going to get some samples cut and then the guy just crapped out.

[Robert Janssen]

Oh, okay.

Thanks for the accurate numbers there, Makule.

I'll try to give it some thought when i get a chance.

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[Black Pearl]

I might be able to get this SS PENN 113H main and pinion gears. When dobrobill (Bill) told me about it, I will go to my source to see if he can produce these 2 parts. It might not be $25.00 per set. It could be little more.

I will update this post when my info is available.

[broadway]

   For the past 10 months I've been seeking manufacturers for creating new and improved ss gears for our beloved Penn reels.  I have sent out several sets of hard to find gears, spent 100's of hours of time on design, pricing, stainless steel selecting, and finding precision USA manufacturing.  I am in the last stages, and have received a quote that is "near" doable... but I'm done with my work on the gears... have at it guys.  Some may say, "what took so long... someone beat ya to it?"  That's not true at all!
Someone did come out with a gear set and others will probably start to come out with more as our members' cries are being heard from sea to shining sea.  There's one problem with these gear sets.  The sellers won't care what stainless it is, they won't care about the quality control, etc... they care about lining their pockets.  That's what I didn't care so much about.  Of course, you have to make some money when shelling out all that upfront cash, your time, and your risk.  The difference is that was my last concern.  This site is my home away from home, and I consider most of you my family, however I'm left with a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.  I will always be one for tinkering, learning, and paying it forward, but next time if I run with an idea I'm shutting my mouth.  I understand I didn't invent ss gears or even have a plan to ever produce them until I heard you guys ask for them so often I said let me give it a shot and see if I can contribute. 
   I love this site and all its members that contribute, appreciate, and have the same passion as I do, but this time I'm a little frustrated.
Hope you understand, and I'm sorry in advance for the sub par gears you will be seeing,
Dom

[Bryan Young]

Dom, if yours are American made, I will buy it!!!

[broadway]

I appreciate that Bryan...That's the only way I would do it...quality!
Dom

[Alto Mare]

You can count on me .

[Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B]

Dom, if yours are American made, I will buy it!!!

me too!...

[john2244]

Dom,
If you change your mind and go forward with this project I will buy few sets.
John

[broadway]

    Thanks guys... I will speak to the last manufacturer and if I can make their numbers doable then I will have a batch made. I don't wanna give up, but I won't be able to come in at the same price as the china made gears. They wouldn't be much more but I'm concerned that people who don't know about gears and materials will only look at price. I personally don't live my life like that but I know many do and many are on a tight budget with the economy, so their first thought is price. It would be between 5 and 10 extra but I would guarantee that they are quality! I'll keep you guys posted, and if it can be done for a better price I will pass that on.
I have had a lot of help from some really great members/people on here and appreciate the support and advice... It may just be enough to keep me at this thing. I'm sick of paying high dollar prices for sub par gears outsourced to make huge profits ... I know we all are!
Thanks crew,
Dom

[Makule]

How about you give us a "ball park" number on the cost for each set, and then members can tell you how many they would be willing to purchase at that cost?  I know the manufacturers will quote in various quantities and prorate the initial tooling cost over the number produced, so it's a sliding scale.  So, maybe assume 50 sets, and then 100 sets.  If we can get a minimum number of potential orders we should be able to figure out a rough ball part cost per set and then anything over that would help to further reduce the cost per set.  Just an idea that I had to think about myself when inquiring with different manufacturers.

[broadway]

Albert,
    I appreciate the thought process you're going with, but we aren't talking 50 to 100. I can't even entertain the price of 50-100 cause at those quantities we're looking at between 150 and 350 per set
I'm looking at much higher numbers
I eluded to the ball park numbers in my last post... 5-10 bucks higher than the current "competition."
I can't tell you the differences because I don't want my thoughts to be used by anyone else before I can make a decision if this is doable or not. If I'm unable to produce the gears I will post my thoughts so others can try to have them made.
Thanks for the advice,
Dom
Ps- I also found out that depending on the manufacturer's machines -the cost to make spur and helical gears may be negligible. The manufacturer that I've been speaking to charges no more or less for helicals... Strange but true!

[Keta]

It's expensive to set up and run small lots, thankfully the water cutter puts my jobs in between his real work and will cut one piece.  The main road block for me was the minim number and funding.....I'm also clueless as to how many and how fast they will sell.

Take a good look at these gears, they are a complicated piece and not something that can be made cheaply.

[Black Pearl]

Hi all,

I was able to have my resource to make a 113H 4.0:1 with helical cut gear set. It will be a very precision cutting set. At this moment, there are 2 options on the stainless steel material. They are 303 or 316. It seems that the 304 material hardness, which is selling on Ebay by someone, is at 2-3 degree. The 303's hardness will be 7-9 degree.

As you all might know that the difference between 303 and 316 will be beside pricing. For me, I have decided to go with the SUS 316 for this gear set. Since I do not really want to burn a hole in anyone's pocket, and I want everyone to have a high quality material gear for our beloved PENN 113H, I will be able to sell this SUS 316 gear in $48.00 when it is ready. I will offer this price to Alan Tani's website USA member only. For outside USA member, the price will be $48.00 + actually shipping by USPS First Class International + $1.00 for PayPal service fee. I will offer this gear set into other website as well (theHullTruth), but it will be in $55.00. Then, it will be $59.95 on Ebay.

Finally, I just want to make point that I am not looking for to make a whole lot of money from this gear set. I do it because I know it is a right thing to do (not everyone can afford a $80.00 or $90.00 high quality SUS 316 gear set).

I will have few pictures ready in a week or two.

By the way, this gear set is made in Taiwan.

You can pre-order this gear set by adding your order quantity in the following thread in this site.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6259.0