How do you make braid slip on a spool

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JasonGotaProblem

#45
April 30, 2024, 07:54:31 PM
So as fate would have it the experience of this afternoon gave me something to add to this.

I took a new reel to the shop to get spooled (metal spool baitcaster not a plastic spool spinner but nonetheless).

Dude looked at me funny when I said no I don't want mono backing but I do want tape on the spool. Then started a discussion about ways line fails on spools. It really highlighted how much misinformation is out there.

I hesitantly mentioned that if a knot is well tied, with a few arbor loops, anecdotal evidence shows the tape is unnecessary. but this spool has holes drilled so the tape helps with the sharp edges. And I'm glad I did it because even though his knot looked ok, I've never seen that much variation in hand-applied drag pressure on a filler spool. Including letting go entirely a few times. I don't know if I even wanna go cast this backlash factory he created, before I take it home and re-wind it.
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Keta

#46
April 30, 2024, 08:32:11 PM
I think this kind of spooling is the kind that will slip, and most likely dig in.
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oldmanjoe

#47
April 30, 2024, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: MarkT on April 30, 2024, 07:44:34 PMIf you're trying to fail, you're going about it the wrong way. You start with good knot cinched down tight and then tight wraps on the spool. Try tying a bad knot, not cinched down and then put the line on without much tension. Then you'll succeed, if that's what you call success!
:-[  Can you tell me what is a bad knot to use ,other than the basic arbor knot .  Or show some examples please , something tells me all knots can fail .
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oldmanjoe

#48
April 30, 2024, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on April 30, 2024, 07:54:31 PMSo as fate would have it the experience of this afternoon gave me something to add to this.

I took a new reel to the shop to get spooled (metal spool baitcaster not a plastic spool spinner but nonetheless).

Dude looked at me funny when I said no I don't want mono backing but I do want tape on the spool. Then started a discussion about ways line fails on spools. It really highlighted how much misinformation is out there.

I hesitantly mentioned that if a knot is well tied, with a few arbor loops, anecdotal evidence shows the tape is unnecessary. but this spool has holes drilled so the tape helps with the sharp edges. And I'm glad I did it because even though his knot looked ok, I've never seen that much variation in hand-applied drag pressure on a filler spool. Including letting go entirely a few times. I don't know if I even wanna go cast this backlash factory he created, before I take it home and re-wind it.


            I am not picking on you but after reading your post , you fell into a trap ,
 " me thinks " .
    I have a hard time thinking why you took a special spool to save weight and added tape to it .  Now it is the same or more heaver that the stock spool .   The tape is now covering the hole that let water out and let the line dry .  Unless the holes were not dressed before finishing " Sharpe edges "   Machine spooling is only good as the person spooling , I prefer to spool my own reels for a reason .   OH OH if you get down to the last layer of line on the spool , your fishing technique needs tweaking . :D   
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

MarkT

#49
April 30, 2024, 11:23:45 PM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on April 30, 2024, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: MarkT on April 30, 2024, 07:44:34 PMIf you're trying to fail, you're going about it the wrong way. You start with good knot cinched down tight and then tight wraps on the spool. Try tying a bad knot, not cinched down and then put the line on without much tension. Then you'll succeed, if that's what you call success!
:-[  Can you tell me what is a bad knot to use ,other than the basic arbor knot .  Or show some examples please , something tells me all knots can fail .
I'm not spooling up some little baitcaster with an ultra light spool so that a couple of wraps of tape doesn't matter. Even on a small baitcaster a wrap or 2 of vet wrap weights what, a couple of grams? Not a negative for performance, especially at the bottom of the spool.

I've never tied an arbor knot.  I usually go with a uni knot. But any crappy knot tied by most spooling up their reel... a few half hitches, whatever, is a bad knot. Any knot (including an arbor knot) not cinched down well is a crappy knot. Plenty of people probably assume that the knot isn't key because if a fish takes you to the knot it's probably not stopping there! Then, in addition, if you don't spool it up under tension, well, that's how it can slip on the spool!
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oldmanjoe

#50
April 30, 2024, 11:45:18 PM
  All knots are crappy ,even the one I tied .  It will slip faster than a old lady on a icy sidewalk .  Please explain  :  I've never tied an arbor knot.  I usually go with a uni knot.
    I am trying to lean new tricks .
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

Keta

#51
April 30, 2024, 11:57:42 PM
A few wraps around the spool or like I do a double clove hitch then a uni, pull tight.
Hi, my name is Lee and I have a fishing gear problem.

I have all of the answers, yup, no, maybe.

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
Mark Twain

JasonGotaProblem

#52
May 01, 2024, 01:09:54 AM
I didn't wanna derail your thread with talk of a baitcaster but then I realized I have exactly 88 parts to the reason to not feel bad.

Not a special light spool. Just a stock abu lopro baitcaster. For now.

I think what matters is the knot keeps the tension. The time I saw the failure I was re-using old braid because I was just stripping it off with the drill at high speed to check spinner guide placement so I just did a slip knot. Well, it was true to it's name.

Pretend the loop of line that goes around the arbor is a coin. Flip that coin, and do some of the same tests. I'm very interested if that changes results.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

oldmanjoe

#53
May 01, 2024, 01:17:17 AM
Quote from: Keta on April 30, 2024, 11:57:42 PMA few wraps around the spool or like I do a double clove hitch then a uni, pull tight.
I respect your knowledge , so I assume that you start with Dacron with back to back clove hitches , then tie into braid with the uni knot .
    Dacron does hold ,I can not get it to slip by hand pull .  Braid on the other hand, side by side test fails .
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

oldmanjoe

#54
May 01, 2024, 01:24:52 AM
Yes one side of the coin works and the other side of the coin fails.
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

JasonGotaProblem

#55
May 01, 2024, 01:39:16 AM Last Edit: May 01, 2024, 01:39:58 AM by JasonGotaProblem
Quote from: oldmanjoe on May 01, 2024, 01:24:52 AMYes one side of the coin works and the other side of the coin fails.
My friends I think we've solved it. How to make line slip on a spool is tie the knot backwards. Ladies and gentlemen, you're quite welcome. I'll sign autographs for a small fee.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.

oldmanjoe

#56
May 01, 2024, 01:55:30 AM Last Edit: May 01, 2024, 02:08:34 AM by oldmanjoe
 :)   Before you start signing autographs  Think of braid knots as 1-9292327464
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

Keta

#57
May 01, 2024, 02:52:31 AM
Quote from: oldmanjoe on May 01, 2024, 01:17:17 AMI respect your knowledge , so I assume that you start with Dacron with back to back clove hitches , then tie into braid with the uni knot .
    Dacron does hold ,I can not get it to slip by hand pull .  Braid on the other hand, side by side test fails .


Both dacron and spectra.   
Hi, my name is Lee and I have a fishing gear problem.

I have all of the answers, yup, no, maybe.

A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way.
Mark Twain

oldmanjoe

#58
May 01, 2024, 03:33:55 AM
:)  :)  :)  :)  :)  Well after reading the posts and uni knot is mention , tried another version of the 4 turn under arbor .     See you got me thinking again . Instead of tying a Rapala knot , I tied a uni knot.
      What I like about the uni knot is once the knot is sh-inched up the 4 turns are always locked up .  Another note is when you try to pull it backwards ,I am about 12-15 pounds pull to get it to slip . Pull it forward no slip .
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

JasonGotaProblem

#59
May 01, 2024, 05:01:26 AM
So I unspooled and respooled the reel in question. Knot sat about a quarter inch from the spool arbor. When I tried to cinch it down to see if I could skip retying it pulled through instead.

Never trust another man's knot. Never. Lesson learned. It's like I wanna give people the benefit of the doubt. But sometimes I wanna stop.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you use it wrong enough.
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