My New Saltwater Fly Fishing Seminar- Interested?

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Dominick

Leave the gun.  Take the cannolis.

There are two things I don't like about fishing.  Getting up early in the morning and boats.  The rest of it is fun.

jurelometer

I am kinda busy ATM.  I will try to arrange something for these last week of this month (August).  I will post when I have a date.

Thanks,

-J

Gfish

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Possibly Jury Duty at the end of August. A definite maybe.
I find the actual trials to be interesting. But the process of finding 12 persons to serve is at best frustrating. Listening to these people that have valid excuses isn't too bad, but many are a plain PITA. Stupid reasons of why they can't, so thinly veiled you could see light through them. I'd love to be able to holler-out; "just shut-up that B.S. and say you don't want to do it, or don't think you should have to!"
Can you imagine being on trial, falsely accused of a felony or Capitol crime, having a court appointed lawyer, and depending on jurors that don't want to be there?
One time at trial many years ago, during juror questioning, after a Judge admonished a potential juror for referring to the defendants as "criminals", the potential juror then said; "well, they're here aren't they?" Exasperated, the Judge looked down and banged his forehead with his fist. About 1/2 hr. earlier he had given those guideline instructions for guilt or innocence—-wait until the testimony and jury conference is completed. If that one was planned by her, it was genius, she got excused by the defense.
Fishing tackle is an art form and all fish caught on the right tackle are"Gfish"!

MexicanGulf

What a wonderful initiative, sincere congratulations.It has always been my dream to learn and become a fly fisherman.Actually, I would like to learn fly fishing from a boat for billfish, but I don't rule out that in my area it would also be interesting to catch sea bass.
"A man cannot possess more than his heart can love."

jurelometer

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Quote from: MexicanGulf on September 23, 2025, 02:41:28 AMWhat a wonderful initiative, sincere congratulations.It has always been my dream to learn and become a fly fisherman.Actually, I would like to learn fly fishing from a boat for billfish, but I don't rule out that in my area it would also be interesting to catch sea bass.

Saltwater fly fishing has an undeserved reputation for being quite difficult. It is not hard to become competent with some proper basic training.  Folk that have a bit of saltwater conventional gear experience are the easiest to teach.  Folk that have done a long stint of stream flyfishing can be  the most difficult, because they can have trouble  switching to the more athletic casting style required for saltwater fly gear.

My favorite species are actually jacks (especially yellowtail),  snappers, and then tuna.

I lost interest in targeting billfish before I took up fly fishing, but have been on the boat when sailfish and striped marlin were cast to and caught (I am the perfect boat mate.  The other guy gets all the shots   :D  ).

There are two ways to catch a billfish on a fly:  You can cast to a free swimming billfish spotted on the surface from a stopped boat.  This is less common, with fewer places where this is possible.  You have to be a a bit lucky to get a billfish like this to eat a fly, or you need to get the fish all fired up by chumming with some live bait.


By far, the most common method is to drag a typical trolling spread with hookless lures and/or baits.  The billfish comes up in the spread and starts whacking a  lure. The lures are removed at the same time that you plop the fly in next to where the lure was (a very short cast). If the boat is taken out of gear before you plop the fly in, the IGFA counts this as a legitimate caught-on-a-cast-fly, even though the boat is still moving and you are doing as much trolling as manipulating the fly.

From there, the modern technique is to use the sinking fly line with very light drag to  pull on the fish from below, encouraging it to wear itself out by running and jumping on the surface.  The boat follows the fish,  you retrieve the line, and if the fish is not too large or sounds too deeply, you land and release it.   Once the fish get over 200 lbs, the odds start working against you.

The captain and crew have to be pretty good, but the skills for the fly fisherman don't have to be that high as long as they can follow the coaching.

This is not to disparage this style of fishing for billfish.  There are fly fishers (many quite skilled) that greatly enjoy this style. And it is visually  very exciting.  My point is that you mostly just need the money for doing one of these trips once you get a bit of experience with larger saltwater fly gear and fish. You don't need to be some sort of master fly fisherman.
-J

MexicanGulf

Quote from: jurelometer on September 23, 2025, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: MexicanGulf on September 23, 2025, 02:41:28 AMWhat a wonderful initiative, sincere congratulations.It has always been my dream to learn and become a fly fisherman.Actually, I would like to learn fly fishing from a boat for billfish, but I don't rule out that in my area it would also be interesting to catch sea bass.

Saltwater fly fishing has an undeserved reputation for being quite difficult. It is not hard to become competent with some proper basic training.  Folk that have a bit of saltwater conventional gear experience are the easiest to teach.  Folk that have done a long stint of stream flyfishing can be  the most difficult, because they can have trouble  switching to the more athletic casting style required for saltwater fly gear.

My favorite species are actually jacks (especially yellowtail),  snappers, and then tuna.

I lost interest in targeting billfish before I took up fly fishing, but have been on the boat when sailfish and striped marlin were cast to and caught (I am the perfect boat mate.  The other guy gets all the shots   :D  ).

There are two ways to catch a billfish on a fly:  You can cast to a free swimming billfish spotted on the surface from a stopped boat.  This is less common, with fewer places where this is possible.  You have to be a a bit lucky to get a billfish like this to eat a fly, or you need to get the fish all fired up by chumming with some live bait.


By far, the most common method is to drag a typical trolling spread with hookless lures and/or baits.  The billfish comes up in the spread and starts whacking a  lure. The lures are removed at the same time that you plop the fly in next to where the lure was (a very short cast). If the boat is taken out of gear before you plop the fly in, the IGFA counts this as a legitimate caught-on-a-cast-fly, even though the boat is still moving and you are doing as much trolling as manipulating the fly.

From there, the modern technique is to use the sinking fly line with very light drag to  pull on the fish from below, encouraging it to wear itself out by running and jumping on the surface.  The boat follows the fish,  you retrieve the line, and if the fish is not too large or sounds too deeply, you land and release it.   Once the fish get over 200 lbs, the odds start working against you.

The captain and crew have to be pretty good, but the skills for the fly fisherman don't have to be that high as long as they can follow the coaching.

This is not to disparage this style of fishing for billfish.  There are fly fishers (many quite skilled) that greatly enjoy this style. And it is visually  very exciting.  My point is that you mostly just need the money for doing one of these trips once you get a bit of experience with larger saltwater fly gear and fish. You don't need to be some sort of master fly fisherman.
-J

You leave me enchanted, I'm in love with the idea of starting fly fishing 🤩
"A man cannot possess more than his heart can love."