5000 One vs. TG5000C

[reelynew]

Hey Guys,

Looking for a little help.  This will be my first time working on a conventional reel.  My brother in law gave my wife and I these two reels. 

My understanding is that the 5000 One is a remake of the original and there are no bearings inside of it.  Is that correct?  It doesn't seem to be a popular reel.

Second, I understand that models with "C" mean there is a ball bearing inside of it.  Does that mean that there are no bushings at all, or there's at least one in there?  Difficult to tell with the schematic alone with no description.

Last, would the bearings in the TG5000C models generally work inside of the One models to replace the bushings?

I have been trying to find some schematics for the 5000 One, but I am not seeing them.  I found the TG5000C on Mike's.

Any thoughts would greatly appreciated,

Matt

[ExcessiveAngler]

I just posted a link in another thread looking for the 5500c schematic. There's a vast array of schematics at world Sea planet fishing. Having problems with the site now.
See if it comes through or not?
https://planetseafishing.com/reel-schematics/abu-models/abu-multiplier/abu-ambassadeur/abu-5000-series/

[thorhammer]

Check E Replacement parts for schematic. the One has bushings but easily replaced with bearings. I think they are 4x10x4. I bought a couple sleeves of bearings in 3x10x4 and 4x10x4 and swapped into all my non-C Abus. Huge difference and easily done.

John

[Gfish]

Myself, I prefer bushings, especially those bronze one's that Abu used in their baitcasters. Nice and solid, easier to maintain. Cast improvement with ball bearings? Maybe. What say you all?

[tincanary]

Bushings do work well and will respond best when polished and a light application of TSI 321.  Blow out the excess with compressed air.  Same goes for bearings if you go that route.  The benefit of either will depend on your uses.  Bushings are more durable, but bearings will perform better with sub 1 oz baits.  Over that weight, bushings won't give the distance a bearing would, but they will allow for better control.  In essence, you can run looser spool tension and cast with less trouble.

[reelynew]

Thank you all for the replies,

Out of curiosity, is it possible to take the numbers stamped on the reel seat and then find the schematic based on that information?  Both reels have 8 digit numbers stamped on them.  I imagine these are newer. 

Thanks,
Matt

[oc1]

Date codes

[ExcessiveAngler]

https://www.mikesreelrepair.com/abu-date-codes/

Check this out when you get a chance. There's also some other sites, that explain in detail as well.

[reelynew]

Thanks for the posts on the reel date stamps.  I had been reading the Mike's article.  My thought was if there was a way to determine model by the stamped code, in case the decal had been removed.  It doesn't appear that way as the alteration number might be the only unique number. 

[oc1]

I recently purchased a used Ambassadeur with just that problem; the labels fell off and the model number is not stamped on the tail plate.  It's slightly smaller than the original 5000 but there does not seem to be an on-line list with the exact dimensions or pictures of each model.  There are numerous ABU books out there, but each would cost much more than I paid for the reel.

[ExcessiveAngler]

Usually, if you post some pics of any Garcia casting reel in this group "we who loves the Abu ambassadeur reels" on Facebook. Someone there will be able to identify and date it. The Lurelore site has some good information on Abu's history.

https://lurelore.com/freds/abu.html

EA

[JasonGotaProblem]

Gonna throw out this link to see a reel I played Legos with. Most abu parts are interchangeable between models, with the exception of thumb bar vs push button.

https://alantani.com/index.php/topic,36871.0.html

[drumbum]

Myself, I prefer bushings, especially those bronze one's that Abu used in their baitcasters. Nice and solid, easier to maintain. Cast improvement with ball bearings? Maybe. What say you all?

I'm somewhat indifferent.
  I wouldn't think to replace the bushings in my 5500ST reel.  Although some "ultracast"style reels came with a bushing outboard side of the spool,...they were designed for ball bearings, and not suited to have a bushing at the brake side.  Bushings in side plates are fine with the ample oil reservoir.

The idea of ball bearings in the Ambassadeurs was for prolonged maintenance schedule, as the BB's needed oil less often.

I learned to steer clear of TSI 321 for ambassadeurs due to migration,.....everywhere on the reel,....including the brakes.

[tincanary]

I learned to steer clear of TSI 321 for ambassadeurs due to migration,.....everywhere on the reel,....including the brakes.

The thing with TSI is that it's a thin film lube.  If it is being applied like a traditional oil, you will get migration, just like with any other low viscosity oil.  The trick is to apply, work it in, and blow out the excess with compressed air.  The brakes on these are designed to run dry, different from Shimano SVS which calls for oil on the friction surface.

[drumbum]

I learned to steer clear of TSI 321 for ambassadeurs due to migration,.....everywhere on the reel,....including the brakes.

The thing with TSI is that it's a thin film lube.  If it is being applied like a traditional oil, you will get migration, just like with any other low viscosity oil.  The trick is to apply, work it in, and blow out the excess with compressed air.  The brakes on these are designed to run dry, different from Shimano SVS which calls for oil on the friction surface.

Yes, of course.  I would thin the TSI 321 with naphtha so the carrier evaporates and leaves a thin film. Same technique as always,...one drop of oil in the bearing. It still migrated to the brakes.....eventually.

Heck,....the stuff migrates to the outside of the reel.
It migrates to greased items too,....somewhere in the testing documentation it talks about that aspect.