Yamaha grease substitute?

[coastalobsession]

John Deer makes quality products so I thought to my self, why not try their grease. All of there greases are scientifically researched and tested to match the environment and propose.

[thedw]

hi guys whats the diff between tsi 301 and 321???

where can i order it online from? any links?

[RowdyW]

301 contains a solvent & 321 doesn't. The solvent might harm some plastics.  Rudy

[Lalo13]

Where in Eastern Canada are you ?? You can go to Canadian Tire and pick up some of the synthetic blue grease for bikes and snowmobiles , yes it works awesome and its cheap , very cheap . trial and error led me to this little find my friend . Hope this helps !!

[filas0909]

no idea.   like so many things, i'd try it and see how it works....  

hi guys,
look at this


Choosing a Multi-Purpose Grease: Lithium Complex or Calcium Sulfonate?
By Dr. Anoop Kumar, Royal Mfg Co

It's hard to imagine a machine operating without grease in it, as the majority of dynamic machine operations run on bearings, which need grease for lubrication. Historically, the utilization of grease to lubricate a wheel and axle occurred just after the discovery of the wheel. The first universal greases were crude forms of lime mixed with vegetable oils. These classes of grease continued to be used for almost all kinds of applications requiring lubrication until the industrial revolution.

However, in the last few decades, remarkable progress has been made in terms of machine design. This has affected operating parameters and thus the requirements for lubricating greases. As operating parameters like speed, load, temperature, etc., vary significantly based upon the equipment, it is practically impossible for a single grease to handle all the diversified applications. Consequently, a large number of lubricating greases have been developed, resulting in thousands of greases on the market.

The concept of one universal lubricating grease covering all types of applications no longer holds true.

Also, from a selection and suitability standpoint, the vast array of available greases can be confusing to consumers.

Grease Composition

Lubricating greases basically are composed of a thickener (10 to 15 percent), base oil (80 to 90 percent) and performance additives (5 to 10 percent). The total global market size of lubricating greases is about 2.38 billion pounds and consists of lithium/lithium complex, calcium, sodium, aluminum/aluminum complex, calcium sulfonate, clay base, polyurea, etc. By far the most popular greases worldwide are lithium?based greases with a market share of more than 75 percent. While various kinds of greases may be required in a particular plant, there have always been efforts to rationalize and minimize the number of greases from a purchasing and logistics standpoint. This likely has led to the development of multipurpose greases.

Multi-Purpose Grease

In simple terms, a multi-purpose grease can be defined as a grease combining the properties of two or more specialized greases that can be applied in more than one application. For example, lithium grease can be applied both in chassis and wheel bearing applications of transport vehicles. Traditionally, calcium greases were used for chassis, and sodium based greases for wheel bearings. Calcium based greases have been rated high for water resistance but poor for elevated temperatures. On the other hand, sodium based greases better cover high temperatures but are not as good with regards to water resistance. When lithium greases emerged in the marketplace, they were found to be superior to calcium and sodium greases, and soon became the most popular multi purpose greases in industry.

High-Performance Multi-purpose Greases

In modern machinery design and construction, machines operate under more severe operating conditions with the expectation of increased productivity and less downtime. This has made it difficult for lithium greases to satisfactorily fulfill these requirements. The National Lubricating Grease Institute (NLGI) GC-LB specification, which is the most closely followed in the transport sector, also requires greases beyond just lithium 12-hydroxy greases. These stringent requirements can be met by more efficient high performance greases like lithium-complex, calcium-sulfonate, aluminum-complex, polyurea and clay based greases. However, because of their compatibility with most widely used lithium greases, lithium-complex and calcium-sulfonate greases appear to be the best candidates of these high performance multi-purpose greases.

Lithium Complex vs. Calcium Sulfonate

Lithium-complex greases generally possess good stability, high-temperature characteristics and water resistance properties. Other performance requirements like extreme pressure, anti-wear, rust and corrosion can further be improved by adding suitable additives. These greases also meet the NLGI's GCLB specification requirements. Nevertheless, a careful comparison between lithium-complex and calcium-sulfonate greases reveals that calcium-sulfonate greases hold an advantage. Calcium-sulfonate greases out-perform lithium-complex greases both on the data sheet as well as in actual applications. The most important difference between these two types of grease is that calcium-sulfonate greases do not typically need additives to meet certain performance requirements like lithium-complex greases do.

Calcium-sulfonate greases exhibit superior mechanical and shear stability compared to lithium-complex greases, thus indicating less leakage and run-out during operation. The dropping point and high temperature life of calcium-sulfonate greases are also better, allowing these greases to be used at higher temperatures.

Unlike lithium-complex greases, which need a significant amount of antimony, zinc or other types of additives, calcium-sulfonate thickeners have inherent extreme pressure and anti-wear properties. In addition, while sulfonates are known to be natural rust inhibitors, lithium-complex greases invariably need rust inhibiting additives.

Furthermore, calcium-sulfonate, by virtue of its thickener property, provides excellent water resistance properties and does not break down even in the presence of water. To improve their water resistance properties, lithium-complex greases usually require tackifiers, which are prone to deplete quickly in the presence of water. Calcium-sulfonate greases are also compatible with lithium and lithium-complex greases.

The only limitations with calcium-sulfonate greases are their inferior pumpability and cost. However, recent technological advances have brought these greases up to par with lithium-complex greases. A calcium-sulfonate grease can also be applied in more types of industries compared to lithium-complex greases, thus making it the preferred choice for a high-performance multi-purpose grease.



About the Author

Dr. Anoop Kumar is the director of research and business development at Royal Mfg Co. He has more than 20 years of experience in the field of lubricants and greases, along with a doctorate in chemistry from the Indian Institute of Technology. Dr. Kumar can be contacted via e-mail at anoopk@royalmfg.com.


i`m willing to try  RAMONOL ADVANCED WHITE MARINE GREASE ( A superior quality calcium sulphonate grease )
what u think about it ?

[handi2]

I still use the Evinrude/Johnson Triple Guard grease. I use it on all screws, greasing the internal side plates (just a fingerprint) and many other places. Handle openings and such. It stays nice and blue and never changes color.

It is too thick for many applications but adding CorrosionX oil will take care of that. I don't use it in bearings...

[filas0909]

if add reel x in triple guard then it should be fine for bearings too ?

[handi2]

if add reel x in triple guard then it should be fine for bearings too ?

In larger conventional reels it will be fine. Fill the bearing with oil first then add the grease by hand. You may have to experiment a bit.

[filas0909]

can u look at this tech.data shet and what u think about it.
i have to say that i`m  new for servicing reel ( just for my self ) but all of us where in that position once

Technical Data Sheet
Aquamarine HDT
A premium quality, semi
-
synthetic, waterproof EP grease for extreme
wet and salt water conditions in marine and other
hostile industrial
applications
Aquamarine HDT
is a semi
-
synthetic waterproof grease for lubricating slow
to medium speed plain and antifriction bearings especially in wet or saturated
conditions, for salt water, marine and other hostile applications.
Aqu
amarine
HDT
is extremely adhesive and will stick to the lubricated
components, whilst displacing and resisting water to elongate component life.
Applications:
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Industrial, Marine and Mining: All slow to medium speed, high load, plain and
anti
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friction be
arings, general machinery lubrication points in extremely wet
environments, including salt water applications. Bearings in water industry
and marine applications
under high load & slow moving.
Features and Benefits:
-
Ø
Water proof in salt and
fresh water e
nsures maximum grease life in wet
environments
Ø
Excellent sealing properties Resistant to ingress of dirt and moisture
Ø
E
xcellent dewatering properties e
nables application to wet surfaces
Ø
Corrosion resistant e
xtends component life in wet
conditions
Ø
Extreme Pressure additives Protects components against wear
Ø
Highly adhesive and tacky Resists vibration and shock loads
Method of Application:
-
Aquamarine HDT
can be applied by hand, or by using a standard grease
gun, or via a central
lubricating system desi
gned for and capable of pumping
a NLGI No.2 grease. As with all greases used for the first time, check
compatibility with the grease applied previously and if necessary purge
bearings prior to application.

[johndtuttle]

There is no need to over-think your choice of grease for your reel with a few caveats.


1. Any grease intended for bearings in the Marine environment will offer awesome protection for your reel.

2. However, some are thicker or thinner or use different additives, some play with others (mix) better.

3. Thick greases can be more difficult to apply thinly for general surface protection. They can also be too heavy for small reels or those with little cranking power and make them feel sluggish. But they protect great and stay stuck where they should.

4. AR Bearings also do not like thick grease, especially in the cold.

You just have to use what you've got in a pinch, and then find just the right thickness (viscosity) for your reel when you have the opportunity or find a thinning oil. In general, for reels, thinner marine greases are preferred as being ideal, but any marine grease will protect bearings and gears etc in the marine environment just like they are intended to do. We also like greases that mix well with oils (ie Corrosion-X) that we commonly use.

This is why Yama-lube and Penn Precision Grease are popular among us as they are light. They can also be thinned with Corrosion-X with excellent results as needed.

But I wouldn't hesitate to use any Marine Bearing Grease from nearly any source to protect my reel if it was all I had (and I have).


ps I did try some Dupont Marine Grease that was Calcium based and it lubed fine. However, when the agent it is suspended in dries it appears somewhat "chalk-like" and messy. Who knew? I have no insight as to any long term performance, it just didn't look as nice as a reel lubed with more standard grease after a time so I set that experiment aside.

Reel manufacturers are "drinking the Koolaid" (ie buying into the Tani way or "Tani-do" ) and prepping their reels better and better, but even a one time true "Tani-ization" of your reel with damn near any lube is a 1000X better protection than what most reels get from the average guy in their lifetime let alone if you do it regularly.

Point being, if you lube your reel at all you are far ahead of the game. Don't over think it! Just get some protection in there. Fine tune it when you have the chance and can get more ideal stuff.

[Tiddlerbasher]

Well said John

[filas0909]

thanks John.will keep this in mind.
down here in England i can`t get yamaha all purpose grease but i can get like triple guard marine grease . on one website i found that one and was wondering that can be good substitution for yamaha or evinrude

[Tiddlerbasher]

The Triple Guard is good - full strength on larger reels - thinned with corrosion/reel x on smaller/spinning reels. I've been using it for a few years

[johndtuttle]

thanks John.will keep this in mind.
down here in England i can`t get yamaha all purpose grease but i can get like triple guard marine grease . on one website i found that one and was wondering that can be good substitution for yamaha or evinrude

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. As above thin with Corrosion-X as needed or use it as is for heavy duty or slow spinning applications.

Keep in mind what these greases are intended to do: Protect bearings that are completely submerged in saltwater in the hubs of fishing boat trailers. If course, they are famously neglected and some come to grief but fundamentally it is a far harsher test of their protective qualities than pretty much anything we subject our reels to...  and that's a good thing!

[filas0909]

Yep,that`s for sure.anyway ,thanks for your advice guys.will add some of reel x just make a little thinner consistency of triple guard.