Experimenting with the 113H drags

[George4741]

Sal, I'm very impressed!

[borchcl]

This has been a most interesting thread. If there are EDM shops in your area, Inserts could be wire cut both outside, with lugs or whatever, and inside features of almost any shape. As well, a die sinker could burn hex shapes directly to the inside of gears, regardless of metal. Just another idea in an already well thought out project.
Charlie

[Alto Mare]

Here I'm showing the 5-113H Newell 4:1 SS gear


As you can see it can be done freehand by using a dremel. However,  I do not recommend anyone to do so.
These gears are extremely hard, it's a constant battle trying to keep the bit from bouncing around.

[Irish Jigger]

Doc,nice insert, well designed and made.
Sal, you have the patience of Job, very impressive work on that Newell SS gear.

[Jimmer]

A lot of of really interesting stuff here, I like the idea of the hex insert, if it was made to the size of a commonly available nut cutting or grinding CF washers accuratly would be a breeze.

[redsetta]

Great thread Sal (and Doc), really enjoying this one
Thanks lads.

[Alto Mare]

Alan, I just received the 6-525 washer that you sent, thank you for always being there for us, I appreciate it.
Sal

[saltydog]

Very impressive work Sall.Keep it coming.

[Alto Mare]

I'm back .
Ok I decided to put these washers to a little test, this is what I came up with:

The hexagon washers failed within 6lb of pressure, no drag what so ever.
the washer under the gear didn't add anything to the drag, along with the first washer at the bottom of the stack.
That washer at the bottom did keep its shape, but useless.
Doc's sleeve will work nicely with the hexagon drags...that's why he's the doctor and I'm just a patient

I took the testing outdoors, didn't feel like repairing the ceiling.
i decided to use a heavy rod for the test

made a little contraption by the tree house

placed three bricks in a bucket

and lifted the bucket by turning the handle, if some of you think that this is an esy task, give it a shot

I'm trying to show how much that heavy rod got bent

spring scale is spot on with the digital scale

I also did a pulling test and the 40lb line gave up at around 24lb

checked the gears and everything else, I'm not sure if you can see how much Cal's got squeezed out by the pressure

these drags held up fine on this one


My conclusion is that if you get as close as possible to the shape of the gear cutouts, you should be fine.
I'm happy with the results, I do want to mention that the handle nut was resisting as I was trying to unscrew it, I was able to unscrew it with my fingers prior to the test. This is telling me that there is a lot of stress there, but didn't see any imperfections with the tip of brass sleeve. Nothing that a ss sleeve can't fix
Sal

[Cone]

Good info Sal. Your our mad scientist. Bob

[Irish Jigger]

Keep up the good work Sal,nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Alto Mare]

I wanted to get to the max drags on these washers, so I put everything back together and added some heavy line.
Went back to my spot and this is what i got:


With the star almost all the way tight, I got 35lb. I want to mention that this test is done by bending the rod by pulling down on the line, not by pulling straight out. I did try by pulling straight out and I got almost 50lb. This is not accurate, you need to get that rod to bend.
I was amazed to see that just moving the star a hair more from that setting, it would gane an additional 5lb, but  I wasn't able to make the spool go around, just a quarter of a turn.
It is safe to say that this reel with the 1+4 washers will give you 35lb of max drags, yes I was able to make the spool go around a couple of times. I'm not sure how it will handle on the water, but can't wait to give it a shot.
I wouldn't go with this set up without a one piece frame, ss dogs and ss sleeve. The reel tested had the double dogs, but not ss.
I hope this will be of some interest, the guys that came up with this design made me a believer.
They were able to remove one washer and almost double up on the drags...not bad.
Enjoy! Sal

[Alto Mare]

Dominick, you need to send the Tank back to me, I'll pay for all shipping costs.
I need to put the groved ss gears in there, and send it right back to you.
Sal

[BMITCH]

Sal, your an artist with the dremel. I'm really thinking of going back in on my 113H and doing the same. You are an inspiration. Keep the ideas coming. Is it possible to fit the fiber washer from the baja special if dremeled correctly?
Bob

[broadway]

Sal, pretty soon I'm gonna be watching a pro shark tournament on the fishing network, and see some guy using your custom Penn tank for catching monster mako out of Cali (where the BIG mako roam).
Your amazing,
Dom