My first custom rod build...Spiral "acid" Wrap

[sundaytrucka]

DayOne,
   Splining it is!  I agree any conventional rod will twist to some degree, but that doesn't happen at all with my spiral wrap because the line off the tip is at the lowest point already just like a spinning rod.
You guys are gonna get me motivated to try this someday soon... keep it up I need it
It's not my thread but Thanks for the great explanations guys,
Dom

IMO- If you are teaching or learning in a supportive manner, it is just as much your thread as the person who started it.


To clarify, I perceived reel wobble/handle torque as the reason to spiral away from the handle side, but from what I have been reading*, I could be wrong though, right handed fisherman spiral to the left and to the right for the left hander; if using a level wind reel it doesn't matter.

*The line will naturally pull across the spool in the direction that the line spirals around the blank (My first guide has a 5 degree offset to the left.). Therefore, I only have to guide the line onto the spool in one direction and it's usually easier to push the line across the spool with thumb, versus a spiral to the right having to catch/hook the line with thumb and pull it across the spool (Opposite for left hander, but some people may not have a problem either way.).

Just gives me an excuse to make a rod spiral to the right and note any differences.

-Scott

[Snagged2]

As mentioned... "Spining" the blank will help give you all the power the rod blank possesses...no matter the wrap style!

many "off the rack" rods,, aren't even close!! and,, you can feel the difference during the fight!

and,, Congratulations on a nice looking rod ,, pretty nice for a first attempt,,IMO
Another coat of rod wrap will smooth things up a bit,,,

[Marlinmate]

That is "splining" the rod. Acid wrapping is a bit different. You still spline the rod, but spiral the guides. Splining will take some of the twist out, but any conventional rod will still twist under heavy load, the key being "heavy load". It is inherent with the guides sitting on top of the rod. The line will try to fall off to the side, twisting the tip. Spinning rods, with the guides on the bottom, don't have this problem.

You find the SPINE of the rod, not the spline. Building on the spine vs. the straightest axis has been a debate for years. 50% argue one way, 50% argue the other way. The spine of a rod, is not always the straightest axis of the blank.

On an acid wrap/spiral wrap/spiral wrap/roberts wrap/revolver wrap (all different variations of a spiral wrap), the guides start on the top of a conventional rod, and spiral around the blank.  Should it go left or right?  Personal preference in my opinion, like building on the spine.  It makes sense to think that if you spiral the guides to the same side as the handle, you minimize "issues' if you set the rod flat on the deck/ground.   It also makes sense that if you spiral it away from the handle, you will reduce additional torque applied when reeling.
On conventional reels, my handles are on the right, and I use my left thumb to guide the line onto the reel, so i want the guides going to the left.  The line will naturally tend to pile up on which ever side the guides go to when reeling line in.  

Some builders will actually put the first guide leaning to the left or right of 0 degrees(say at 5 degrees or 10 degrees), to offset this line pileup when building.  

The goal in building a spiral wrapped rod (or whatever you want to call it) is to minimize the torque  applied to the rod/blank when fighting a fish under heavy load with a conventional rod.   http://www.acidrod.com/acidrods.html

Here is a video that shows the difference......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_XuDefDAIM

Again....you SPINE the rod if you so desire.  you then spiral wrap the guides on the blank however you see fit.

[day0ne]

Again....you SPINE the rod if you so desire.  you then spiral wrap the guides on the blank however you see fit.

The terms are used interchangeably and since when you Google "spining" all you get is "spinning" and spell check also changes it to spinning, I used "splining" for simplicity. Many people on rodbuilding.org use spline instead of spine and you can Google "splining" and get information.

[Marlinmate]

potatoe....patato...tomatoe....tamato....spline....spine....

Funny....Mudhole tackle sells plenty of SPINE finding tools......Renzetti sells a SPINE finding tool, the old Merrick Tackle sells a SPINE finding tool, Acid Rod sells a SPINE finding tool.

Not one of the above rod building suppliers sells a SPLINE finding tool.

Tom Kirkman's Book talks about the SPINE.....so does Dale Clemens book.   Neither mention the SPLINE

[saltydog]

Very nice build

[Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B]

nice wrap! now time to test that "acid" next yr with us.  thanks for sharing...