I know many of you already know what a Penn/Accurate Magnum 500 looks like, and some of you might already have one, or two or a few,
but this is for those who may not have seen inside of one or even heard of it...
this reel has been in retirement for awhile, but I've decided to update/upgrade it with some of the current offerings that are made through the AT team.
i hope you enjoy it.
this is what we will start with,
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a black 500 Accurate/Penn 500 Jigmaster - circa 1993
What makes it a Magnum is its internals. Let's take a closer look...
Instead of using Jigmaster internals, it uses the gear set and gear sleeve from a 113H 4/0, notice the difference...
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on the left is a set of SS 4:1 gears from Black Pearl along with SS gear sleeve from AT for a standard Jigmaster.
on the right is a set of SS 4:1 gears from Black Pearl along with SS gear sleeve from AT used in a Magnum Jigmaster.
also notice the size difference of the spindles for the spools...
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on the left is the Accurate spool for the Magnum and on the right is a standard Penn 500 spool
the Magnum also uses the yoke from a 4/0 to accommodate the larger pinion gear.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8583/16411572519_e2e690ccf6.jpg)
on the top is a standard Jigmaster Yoke and on the bottom is one from a 4/0
but it does use some of the same internals from a standard Jigmaster, namely the Eccentric, the Jack and the clutch springs.
so, this is the combination that you would need.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/16571427886_3e3e77cc1c_z_d.jpg)
a 11-99 Jack and a 12-349 Yoke.
since i'll be updating the reel, this is what i decided to do...
first a set of SS gears from Black Pearl and 7+1 Drag system from Bryan
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/16595459872_a8e2b0d155_z_d.jpg)
on the right is what a normal set up would be for a Jigmaster just for comparison.
i'll reuse the Eccentic, and lever and screw
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/106079365@N05/16411585609/sizes/l/)
but notice that there is a white nylon washer that will help protect the Accurate side plate from being scratched when using the lever, so be careful in not loosing it.
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also to protect the side plate, a couple of small o-rings on the eccentric lever is useful...
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/106079365@N05/16596800672/sizes/l/)
also notice that there is a SS plate that goes at the bottom of the handle-side plate.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7403/16410210018_a833b6c9bc_z_d.jpg)
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and a view from outside
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I also wanted to upgrade the handle a little, here is the old one...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/15977650503_bf3efe80e9_z_d.jpg)
and this is what i decided to replace it with...
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7395/16410396240_1dbff81bb0_z_d.jpg)
AT 3/0 Handle with a counter-sunk 5/16"hole mated to a SS Keta Krank
and here is a side by side comparision of the handles...
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8637/16597423035_c77abf98e2_z_d.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8671/16411585089_3f87d18736_z_d.jpg)
so this is whats going into the re-build
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i won't go into the assembly of the reel because its been covered a few times over, so here is the finish product...
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any suggestions or critisism is welcomed. :)
Awesome.. taking the upgrades to a next level
Nice write up! Interesting to note is that it uses the 113h bridge as well, meaning when the SS Double Dog bridge comes out that would be a great addition! Also, my yoke is different then yours, its a jigmaster yoke bored out to fit the 113h pinion. I will have to look at it again! Nice showing that beauty off, now you have to fish it ;D
You can get those yokes from Dawn Jason.
Awesome Job Al! ;D that is a pretty sweet Magnum!! ;)
Mahalo Al.
I just completed a 99 sized magnum. Sweet and very strong reel.
me likey ;D
Very nice reel Al, along with some great pictures full of details.
I do have a suggestion and not a criticism, try to use a hand held screwdrivers on those instead of power drives. On the pic before the last, it's showing a hint that the bit from a power drive is hitting the plate.
Thanks for sharing, nice layout of the parts... that's one valuable reel.
Sal
Nice!
A Black Beauty for sure! :)
But, what is the function of the SS plate that goes at the bottom of the handle-side plate? I've never seen that before... ???
~A~
Quote from: Aiala on February 22, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
A Black Beauty for sure! :)
But, what is the function of the SS plate that goes at the bottom of the handle-side plate? I've never seen that before... ???
~A~
Due to the enlarged gears of the 113h, the handle side accuplate hangs over the frame slightly creating an exposed area. The SS plate is there to cover the area and bolts on using the existing screws for the side plate.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 22, 2015, 02:12:48 PM
Quote from: Aiala on February 22, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
A Black Beauty for sure! :)
But, what is the function of the SS plate that goes at the bottom of the handle-side plate? I've never seen that before... ???
~A~
Due to the enlarged gears of the 113h, the handle side accuplate hangs over the frame slightly creating an exposed area. The SS plate is there to cover the area and bolts on using the existing screws for the side plate.
Aha... I see! Thanks for the explanation. What lb-test line would a reel like this utilize? It must have a huge drag capacity. :)
~
A~
With SS gears and an upgraded drag this reel would have more drag than anyone needs or even wants. Because of the smaller diameter spool, disks with the same pressure would demonstrate much more drag on the magnum. The same way Alan's 5:1 gears show smaller safe numbers than a Jigmaster. To use these plates with the upgrades, I think you'd need one of the super wide spools to get the capacity you'd want.
Ron
I have to be honest here...this may be the sexiest reel I've seen :o. That is even more true by the awesomeness inside! Thanks for sharing! (I bow down...)
Quote from: DaBigOno on February 21, 2015, 05:56:18 AM
I know many of you already know what a Penn/Accurate Magnum 500 looks like, and some of you might already have one, or two or a few,
but this is for those who may not have seen inside of one or even heard of it...
this reel has been in retirement for awhile, but I've decided to update/upgrade it with some of the current offerings that are made through the AT team.
i hope you enjoy it.
if i haven't sent you a wrench already, send me a pm with your address and i'll send one out to you. great post. many thanks! alan
Wish mine was black (or any color but gold), but, hey, it's still a magnum. Does anybody have one of the Squidder Magnums, with the Jigmaster internals?
Could you imagine that, with the parts available today your talking a 5:1, 30+ pound drag 146! As much as I don't care for bearings, I'd just fall over dead for that reel.
Ron
Quote from: day0ne on February 22, 2015, 10:53:21 PM
Wish mine was black (or any color but gold), but, hey, it's still a magnum.
Please post some pics, Even the gold ones are special. :)
Quote from: alantani on February 22, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
if i haven't sent you a wrench already, send me a pm with your address and i'll send one out to you. great post. many thanks! alan
Pm sent Boss!
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 21, 2015, 11:27:35 AM
I do have a suggestion and not a criticism, try to use a hand held screwdrivers on those instead of power drives.
Thanks Alto! I wish I would've learned that back then! But I use only hand-tools now, except for the Dremel.
;D
Quote from: steelfish on February 21, 2015, 06:01:25 AM
Awesome.. taking the upgrades to a next level
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 21, 2015, 06:54:55 AM
Awesome Job Al! ;D that is a pretty sweet Magnum!! ;)
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 21, 2015, 06:12:31 AM
Nice write up! ... Nice showing that beauty off
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 21, 2015, 08:24:09 AM
Mahalo Al.
I just completed a 99 sized magnum. Sweet and very strong reel.
Quote from: basto on February 22, 2015, 08:32:36 AM
Love the perfect way you set up your photos. NICE!
Quote from: Keta on February 22, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
Nice!
Quote from: Aiala on February 22, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
A Black Beauty for sure! :)
Quote from: coastal_dan on February 22, 2015, 09:06:40 PM
I have to be honest here...this may be the sexiest reel I've seen
Thanks for the kind words...
Quote from: day0ne on February 22, 2015, 10:53:21 PM
Wish mine was black (or any color but gold), but, hey, it's still a magnum. Does anybody have one of the Squidder Magnums, with the Jigmaster internals?
It's called ProGear 255 and 251. The 255 is about the same size as a 146 and the 251 is about the same size as a 251.
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 23, 2015, 05:49:48 AM
It's called ProGear 255 and 251. The 255 is about the same size as a 146 and the 251 is about the same size as a 251.
That is true but I was talking about the Accurate conversion, which I understand is very rare. BTW, it's good to know that the 251 is about the same size as a 251. (j/k)
Randy has some of the squidder magnums if you want one. I think he might have posted about it.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 23, 2015, 06:16:22 AM
Randy has some of the squidder magnums if you want one. I think he might have posted about it.
Oh my...can I ask openly what that baby goes for?
Wow! even rarer than a Magnum 500. Hope to see it at the Big Show in a couple of weeks when it come to Long Beach :)
Quote from: coastal_dan on February 23, 2015, 01:51:37 PM
Oh my...can I ask openly what that baby goes for?
Dan, I do not want to hijack DaBigOno's thread, so I'm sending you a PM.
Thanks,
Randy
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on February 24, 2015, 07:17:08 AM
Quote from: coastal_dan on February 23, 2015, 01:51:37 PM
Oh my...can I ask openly what that baby goes for?
Dan, I do not want to hijack DaBigOno's thread, so I'm sending you a PM.
Thanks,
Randy
We don't keep secrets here ;D , the ones I've seen in the past were pushing $400
Yeah, it's known the magnums aren't cheap. I think when mine was done it hit $500. That's with SS upgrades though. Amazing reels to have and definitely a conversation piece to have on the boat!
Gadzooks, in my naivety I didn't realize they were quite that expensive; worth it I'm sure though. I'll have to stick with my "builder" for now ;D
Whoa, that's expensive.
When my wife reads this, she's gonna "FLIP" :o
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 24, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
Whoa, that's expensive.
Yeah mine came out a little pricey, as I was very particular on what I was putting on it. But then Ithink is the only reel I didn't try and factor cost into.
Quote from: DaBigOno on February 24, 2015, 04:25:32 PM
When my wife reads this, she's gonna "FLIP" :o
Sorry!! ;D
That's a beauty of a reel, Al.
Clearly, you take nice care of that black beauty.
She'll last you a lifetime and you'll look good too ;)
Thanks for sharing,
Dom
As I stated my yoke for the magnum is different then the 113h one, that you have in yours. It looks like a bored out jigmaster yoke. Its good to know the 113h one wil work though.
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the 113H yoke didn't work in the reel that I was putting together. Quite possibly it has to do with the length of the jack. The jack I was using was from a jigmaster and didn't quite have the reach to fully disengage the pinion gear from the spool. When I installed a bored Penn 500 yoke, then it worked.
Quote from: DaBigOno on February 24, 2015, 04:25:32 PM
When my wife reads this, she's gonna "FLIP" :o
Now that right there is funny!!
Dang now I have to find a couple of these to play with.
Oh Randy you back from fishing yet?
Not yet David. I will drop you a line as soon as I get home.
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on May 29, 2015, 07:12:26 PM
Not yet David. I will drop you a line as soon as I get home.
Still fishing ???
LOL !!!
I've never heard of one of these, but now I want one...bad. lol, thanks for sharing!
Quote from: Sharkin904 on December 28, 2015, 01:05:16 AM
I've never heard of one of these, but now I want one...bad. lol, thanks for sharing!
Would you like red, gold or black, and Jigmaster 500, 3/0 or 4/0?
Oh man and Christmas is just over?
I'd love a black jigmaster, but I have a feeling it's beyond my budget lol
I have one red Jigmaster Magnum and one gold. I am sorry to say that I do not have one in black. The black Magnum is a mint 4/0 Lefty, but I can easily convert it back to a righty.
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on December 28, 2015, 07:36:56 PM
I have one red Jigmaster Magnum and one gold. I am sorry to say that I do not have one in black. The black Magnum is a mint 4/0 Lefty, but I can easily convert it back to a righty.
What would that Magnum 4/0 go for ?
The red one would go for $445. I would have a hard time parting with the black one because it's dead mint.
I have a couple of questions about this build. It appears that the plates and the spool are the hard part to find? That is what makes it so costly? Just curious!
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on January 03, 2016, 05:55:25 PM
The red one would go for $445. I would have a hard time parting with the black one because it's dead mint.
I'm still a "little dizzy" . . . LOL ! ! !
Wish I had the money to spare . . .
Quote from: steelhead_killer on January 03, 2016, 06:28:27 PM
I have a couple of questions about this build. It appears that the plates and the spool are the hard part to find? That is what makes it so costly? Just curious!
The Magnum series was released by Accurate shortly before they dropped the entire Accuplate and Accuframe program. What makes these so costly is the true rarity of these reels.
There never was a massive production run that I know of, so the short time on market never allowed any saturation like the years the standard stuff was available.
The rarity of the plates and spool are indeed what makes them so spendy. The spool accepts a different reels pinion and the plates use gears of a different reel. In reality, with the upgrades today I'm not certain they are a great idea. The fastest you can make a magnum 500 is 4.0:1, witch is it's factory speed. The strength of the 5:1 gears is well established and the new drag systems available make the drag all anyone could want them to be.
Please understand thogh, just because they might not have the advantage they used to doesn't mean I don't want them ;).
Ron
A few of the Pro Gear reels use the same principle. Guts from the next size up Penn reel. My 545 is the size of a 501 jigmaster, but has 113H gears, bridge, etc. They arent cheap either, but you could still buy a few for the cost of an accurate magnum.
Exactly, but the fastest you can get the 545 to is 4:1, the factory speed of the 501. You can get a 5:1 501 with SS gears that will pull more than the 113H factory drag. It seems like maybe we surpassed the Acurate plate / Pro Gear tech with the fantastic machinists on this site.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on January 04, 2016, 03:28:18 AM
Exactly, but the fastest you can get the 545 to is 4:1, the factory speed of the 501. You can get a 5:1 501 with SS gears that will pull more than the 113H factory drag. It seems like maybe we surpassed the Acurate plate / Pro Gear tech with the fantastic machinists on this site.
Ron
Possibly but consider the accurate magnum gives you everything we can upgrade a 500 with but its all stuffed into a 140 squidder.
Quote from: noyb72 on January 04, 2016, 03:28:18 AM
Exactly, but the fastest you can get the 545 to is 4:1, the factory speed of the 501. You can get a 5:1 501 with SS gears that will pull more than the 113H factory drag. It seems like maybe we surpassed the Acurate plate / Pro Gear tech with the fantastic machinists on this site.
Ron
Then you upgrade the Magnum/Pro Gear with all the stuff for a 4/0, i.e., ss sleeve, 4/0 insert, ss eccentric jack and that thing that holds the pinion (brain fart going on) and when it's ready, the ss 113H double dog bridge. Who needs 5:1 gears. I personally don't want them. I have a 545 I'm doing that with right now. Maybe my Magnum also.
This is my 99 wide Accurate Magnum side by side to my PrrroGear 545. Jigmaster sized reels with 4/0 guts.
Just look at the gears. What would you rather fish with? Along with the gears, the magnum and ProGear have larger spool shafts.
Lastly, if you want to fish live bait and have a slower retrieve, you could change the 4:1 gears to 3.25:1 gears.
The difference between 4:1 and 5:1 gears is 9" at full spool per crank. Is 9" per crank significant enough where you would catch or not catch fish?
If I need a faster reel, I would use a Newell 533-5.5.
What do you think? Obviously I have made my choice of what to fish with.
On the flip side, I also have Jigmaster with 50# braid that I use with 20-40# top shot and it's perfect. If I need beefier options, I go with my ProGear 545.
I would rather fish with SS 5:1 gears on a spool that small. Especially with your drag kit. 20#s of drag is all anyone needs on a spool that size. I would LOVE a 146 Magnum. A 5:1 squirter would be great.
Ron
Very nice Bryan. Is that a custom handle star on your red jigmaster ? I like the color and the offset knob.
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 22, 2016, 06:58:44 AM
Very nice Bryan. Is that a custom handle star on your red jigmaster ? I like the color and the offset knob.
The star and handle are from a ProGear reel.
The story...I received the reel from a friend to put it together and upgrade as much as possible without modifying the frame or sideplates. I returned the reel to my friend. About a month later, I asked my friend whether his friend liked the reel...then he told me that his friend had passed and they didn't know what to do with the reel after that...so I asked if they wouldn't mind selling it...not that I needed another reel or I could afford it, but I asked anyway. Well, as you can see, they sold it and it's in my what am I going to do with this reel safe...yes, my safe has a few reels with this label.
Wow that Penn Jigmaster with the Accurate Magnum kit has everything in it including the kitchen sink. I have a couple of them that I have fished with for many years and they are fish killers for sure. Thanks for the great post.
You're a lucky guy Bri-Bri.
That narrow 99 must be even harder to find than the 500 magnum. yours is the first one Ive heard of.
Quote from: David Hall on January 22, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
That narrow 99 must be even harder to find than the 500 magnum. yours is the first one Ive heard of.
It's the first I have ever seen of it as well. It has a Tiburon frame, and I'm still looking for that 99 width red Accurate frame in NOS or New like condition.
For an upgraded 146 squidder(3 1/3 : 1 gears) look for a Pro Gear 255...same size as a Squidder but with 500 internals and 5:1 gears, it's a great little reel, a stock hot rod.
Greg
Quote from: Islandgypsy on January 22, 2016, 10:00:49 PM
For an upgraded 146 squidder(3 1/3 : 1 gears) look for a Pro Gear 255...same size as a Squidder but with 500 internals and 5:1 gears, it's a great little reel, a stock hot rod.
Greg
I have a gold magnum squidder with the jigmaster internals already, I need to upgrade the bridge, sleeve and drag kit to fully modernize it. Another project to get to. Just don't know if I'll ever fish it after seeing the magnum Kit (NIB) sold on eBay for 700.00 awhile back. I may be building a series of dust collectors.
Nice reels, I like the red magnum. My current project is a 99 sized jigmaster (on the installment plan.)
mostly Newell parts 5-1 gears 332 bars & stand spool on the way. I see a drag kit in my near future.
Semper Fi, Richie
Quote from: David Hall on January 22, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
That narrow 99 must be even harder to find than the 500 magnum. yours is the first one Ive heard of.
My Jigmaster Magnum is a 99 size also, only in gold. I wonder if they ever made a 501 sized Jigmaster Magnum.
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 22, 2016, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: David Hall on January 22, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
That narrow 99 must be even harder to find than the 500 magnum. yours is the first one Ive heard of.
It's the first I have ever seen of it as well. It has a Tiburon frame, and I'm still looking for that 99 width red Accurate
frame in NOS or New like condition.
Next time you service that reel I'd sure like to know what spool is in it?
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 22, 2016, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: David Hall on January 22, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
That narrow 99 must be even harder to find than the 500 magnum. yours is the first one Ive heard of.
It's the first I have ever seen of it as well. It has a Tiburon frame, and I'm still looking for that 99 width red Accurate frame in NOS or New like condition.
You just found one Bryan.
Randy
there you go Bryan, ask and you shall receive.
Quote from: David Hall on January 22, 2016, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 22, 2016, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: David Hall on January 22, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
That narrow 99 must be even harder to find than the 500 magnum. yours is the first one Ive heard of.
It's the first I have ever seen of it as well. It has a Tiburon frame, and I'm still looking for that 99 width red Accurate
frame in NOS or New like condition.
Next time you service that reel I'd sure like to know what spool is in it?
If I can find that 99 red accurate frame, that reel will get serviced. Otherwise, it's in the safe for now.
Howbowdat?
Yoo hoo Bryan, look up one, I think I see a red accurate 99 frame that will fit those magnum sideplates and spool.
These accurate reels will put you in the poor house.
The frames are bad enough, but when you get the full monty, you are talking some cash.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 23, 2016, 11:41:27 AM
These accurate reels will put you in the poor house.
The frames are bad enough, but when you get the full monty, you are talking some cash.
Yeah but they sure are purty!
Wow Randy. All I want is the frame though
Bryan, I have plenty of red Accuframes that I can put the reel back together with. I also have one that's brand new in the box that I could be talked out of. I need Newell #15 graphite clamps and probably a bunch of other stuff, if you would consider doing some horse trading.
Thanks,
Randy
I'm not sure what I have but sure.
Bryan
Thank you Al. Your excellent write-up has inspired me to get motivated on my own Magnum build which has been stalled too long while hunting parts. I'm now far enough along that I can see light at the end of the tunnel and finally have my frame and spool assembled. I noticed in your photos that it appears that your spool might be off-center to the left. Is this an accurate observation on my part? I'm wondering if this is common for the 500 Magnums as I'm having the same issue. I want to gather as much information as possible before proceeding. My spool sits to the left with the right side flange about even with the right sideplate (non-adjustable) and it sits deep in the left sideplate which is adjustable. I don't have a bridge and gears in here yet because I'm holding out for the stainless bridge before I do any fitting. I do have the spool and frame assembled and the spool spins true with great free-spool but I'm concerned because the spool isn't centered. I think that it could eat line up to 30 lb. mono on the right side but not the left. From the side of the spool flange to the side of the sideplate is a 0.002" gap; around the circumference the gap is greater. I would really appreciate any advice from the experts here. My first thought is to machine the right side bearing pocket a little deeper to allow the spool to center on the frame but I'm concerned that this might move the spool too close to the bridge for the pinion to fully disengage. I'm hoping this team of experts here will have some good advice. I'll wait until I'm certain that this would be the right fix before altering any of the rare Magnum parts.
-Mike
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Quote from: PacRat on January 26, 2016, 05:59:43 PM
I noticed in your photos that it appears that your spool might be off-center to the left. Is this an accurate observation on my part?... I do have the spool and frame assembled and the spool spins true with great free-spool but I'm concerned because the spool isn't centered.I'll wait until I'm certain that this would be the right fix before altering any of the rare Magnum parts.
-Mike
I'm with you Mike, I don't fish it so ill just let it be for now.
I just noticed mine is the same. Hmm. Maybe the spool shafts are a little long?
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 27, 2016, 06:35:45 AM
I just noticed mine is the same. Hmm. Maybe the spool shafts are a little long?
Aloha Bryan,
Maybe we can experiment with yours and file down a little bit of the shaft. ;D
Quote from: DaBigOno on January 28, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 27, 2016, 06:35:45 AM
I just noticed mine is the same. Hmm. Maybe the spool shafts are a little long?
Aloha Bryan,
Maybe we can experiment with yours and file down a little bit of the shaft. ;D
I will look into it further.
Is it possible to back out the head plate bearing cup just a little ? Then tighten the tail bearing, which would move the spool over.
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 28, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
Is it possible to back out the head plate bearing cup just a little ? Then tighten the tail bearing, which would move the spool over.
No, it's not possible because the side plate has a fixed bearing cup on the drive side, side plate.
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 28, 2016, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 28, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
Is it possible to back out the head plate bearing cup just a little ? Then tighten the tail bearing, which would move the spool over.
No, it's not possible because the side plate has a fixed bearing cup on the drive side, side plate.
Hmm . . . A spool shaft "shim" in the right side to move the spool over ?
Quote from: ez2cdave on January 28, 2016, 09:21:32 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 28, 2016, 09:00:13 PM
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 28, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
Is it possible to back out the head plate bearing cup just a little ? Then tighten the tail bearing, which would move the spool over.
No, it's not possible because the side plate has a fixed bearing cup on the drive side, side plate.
Hmm . . . A spool shaft "shim" in the right side to move the spool over ?
It's the drive side (right side) is where the problem lies. it's pushing the spool too far to the left. Not sure if it's the cup not being machined enough or an error in the spool shaft length.
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 28, 2016, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: DaBigOno on January 28, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 27, 2016, 06:35:45 AM
I just noticed mine is the same. Hmm. Maybe the spool shafts are a little long?
Aloha Bryan,
Maybe we can experiment with yours and file down a little bit of the shaft. ;D
I will look into it further.
I don't think knocking down a little on the tip of the shaft would help, I'm thinking the problem is with the shoulder on the shaft...too tall
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Someone with a lathe could get it done.
Sal
The easiest way to build a magnum jigmaster is just to get a Pro Gear 541 (or a 545 if you want a 99 size). On piece frame, two screws out to remove sideplate and 4/0 guts with 4:1 gears inside. Done.
Sal, You are correct about taking the shoulder back a little. I don't think there's a problem with the tip of the shaft.
I agree with you guys but I'm holding out for the PC stainless DD bridge and gears before I do any modifying of the spool or headplate but if I were to make an assumption; I would say that the headplate bearing cup should be slightly deeper. Unless...there's a fitment issue and Accurate knew this when they designed it to allow more room for the drivetrain. Maybe they figured no one would spool it with line that could fit through there? There's evidence that shows that this is not totally uncommon. For sure Al, Bryan and myself have reels like this. Bryan, I'm assuming that you built your Magnum from parts like I did. Al, did yours come from the factory that way or did you build it? I'm asking because I'm wondering if the factory had a solution for dealing with this or if it's by design? Even the factory assembled units could be considered semi-custom.
My own thoughts are to either bore the bearing cup a little deeper or as you guys have suggested or modify the shaft. Either mod can then be tweaked to perfection with shims and the adjustable bearing in the tail plate. I feel that modifying the shaft may be easier with simple tools (drill-press and file) but a screwed up spool is probably harder to replace than a headplate. My spool was the last major component that I acquired and it kept this build on hold for a long time. The bearing cup is 3/8" or 0.375" dia. but I would want a tool that only cuts on the face (maybe Tom could comment on this?). I was thinking of using a four flute end mill with the cutting edges of the flutes dulled on the sides so that they won't cut then cutting it by hand with a holder like a tap holder or hand-turning the end-mill with a drill-press. The thought of boogering up a head is no bueno.
An ideal solution would be to drill and tap the headplate for an adjustable bearing cup but that could be expensive and risky also.
-Mike
Mike, I wouldn't mess with the plate, corrosion would be an issue afterwards. Modifying the shaft as I've mentioned is not a big deal, but I would not do it with a drill press.
Tom could probably get it done in a couple of minutes ;D
Sal
Interesting, I haven't looked that closely at mine, I have a couple different models I will check to see if any or all of them share this condition.
Mine were all assembled when I got them but I do not think there are any factory assembled ones, didn't they all come from accurate as a conversion kit? Buyer supplied internals.
I just checked mine. The spool is centered perfectly on my squidder. On one jigmaster the spool is also centered perfectly. My other jigmaster the spool is very slightly off centre the same as we're talking about here, but mine is maybe 1/32" off centre and there is no line eater gaps.
Sal: if that's a 99 size jigmaster magnum spool you have there I'd be willing to give you my left arm for it?
Finally got around to upgrading my magnum. Steel sleeve/dog, steel gears and a fresh 5 stack. I didn't care for the black spool so I located a gold one and freshened it right up.
I still like the all black magnum Al started the thread with a little better than my beater. ::) Thanks for sharing your build Al.
That's a good looking build, Makes me antsy to get mine going! I'm still in the tracking down parts phase.
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 11, 2016, 05:59:22 PM
Finally got around to upgrading my magnum. Steel sleeve/dog, steel gears and a fresh 5 stack. I didn't care for the black spool so I located a gold one and freshened it right up.
Wow! :o :o I have to agree with you Ted, that gold spool really made a big difference, but that reel ain't no beater!
Looking great there Ted.
Max Doubt those are amazing!
I like the handle you put on her, too... gives a vintage feel to it.
Sweet stuff,
Dom
Ted, How well do those spools center on your frame? You commented on mine advising me to see if I could move the bearing a little deeper into the headplate but mine are bottomed on that side.
I'm still trying to decide if I should cut the bearing recess a few thousandths deeper on the headplate or try a different spool. Are you looking to sell your black spool?
Mike
Hi Mike, the black spool was for a regular 500, not a magnum.
I was going to mention the spool on this one is exactly centered. I will remove the spool and measure the shaft on mine so you can see if yours is different.
First thing tomorrow I'll post up a bunch of measuring points for you to do comparison on yours.
Ted
Quote from: PacRat on February 12, 2016, 05:10:18 AM
Ted, How well do those spools center on your frame? You commented on mine advising me to see if I could move the bearing a little deeper into the headplate but mine are bottomed on that side.
I'm still trying to decide if I should cut the bearing recess a few thousandths deeper on the headplate or try a different spool. Are you looking to sell your black spool?
Mike
Mike, if that's the spool that I sent to you and you think that the problem is with the spool, you can send it back for a full refund, but if you want to return it, please do not shorten the shaft or modify the shoulder.
I still have two complete Jigmaster 500 Magnums and the spools are centered. They were like that when I bought them, so I do not know if the original owners did any work to center them, but I would guess not. If the spool that you are using is the one that I sent to you, I took it out of a reel to convert the reel to a 99 Magnum, but I'm pretty sure that it was centered because I think that I would have noticed it if it wasn't.
Please take this suggestion for what it is worth coming from someone devoid of any mechanical aptitude, but if you can pull the bearing out of the right side plate (I am guessing that it is a stock Penn 113H bearing), could you grind the back side down to move the spool over to the right the necessary distance to center it, and see if that causes a problem with the pinion gear? If it works, then you should be able to deepen the bearing cup with a high degree of confidence that you have solved the problem. If it doesn't work, then you have only ruined a replaceable bearing instead of permanently modifying the side plate by digging out the bearing cup deeper. On the other hand, if you did decide to deepen the bearing cup and found that was not the best solution, it wouldn't be the end of the world because you could always put some sort of spacer in the bottom of the hole to move the bearing back to its original position.
Good luck!
Randy
Randy,
Thanks for the suggestions. I've noticed photos of several Magnum 500s that don't allow the spool to get deep enough into the head plate. I saw one on ebay last week that looked like it had the same condition.
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Too bad Accurate didn't put adjustable bearing cups on both sides. I'm looking forward to comparing spool/shaft dimensions. Maybe the Accurate assembly people had a procedure for dealing with this when they assembled??
I like your suggestion about modifying the bearing first and I may do this with Tom's bushing that came with his Cortez Conversion plates. One of the first things I researched was bearings and was hoping I could just purchase a narrower/thinner bearing.
Because my reel is cobbled together out of many parts I do plan to fish it on occasion. I've been waiting for Alan's DD bridge to release and so I won't modify a thing until completely assembled (except maybe a brass bushing for test fitting). I've now seen photos of three Magnums that look like this and I think it's unique to the 500 width. I'm wondering if Accurate was aware of this but it didn't really matter with mono but I'm certain mine will eat braid.
Thanks for all the help.
Mike
Here's a few measurement Mike.
2nd pic is from outer edge of tail plate to the face of the headplate bearing
Ted,
Thank you so much. I will post my dimensions once I get a chance to measure.
Randy,
I followed your advice and counter-bored one of Tom's bushings and this is a huge improvement. I won't dial it in exactly until I have a bridge and gears in it. Hell, I may just leave this a bushings reel and forget about the bearings. I do need to pull the bushing back out and re-measure everything to make certain that the tip of the spool shaft is not bottoming out on the bottom of the bearing recess. I think I counter-bored deeper than what the spool actually moved as it is not perfectly centered but it will no longer eat braid.
Thanks guys
Mike
..and about the tolerance on the drive side plate. I doubt 5# test line could get in that tiny gap
Ted,
Here's a copy of my spool dimensions for comparison. They are pretty darn close. I'm figuring to center my spool I need to move it up to 1.27mm or 0.05" inches. This is for optimum centering so I could stand to go a little less. Right now with no bridge or gears I can see light through the gap and can slip a 0.002"/.051mm feeler gauge in parallel to the inner face of the plate. I'm not concerned with the circumferential gap as that requires some clearance. The .051mm gap seems small but 80 lb. hollow braid is .041mm and will slip right in. Here's a copy of my dimensions I added Ted's dimensions in grey for easy comparison.
Mike
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I'll try to get some pics and measurements this weekend also.
I made good headway while I had the spool out for measuring. The tip of the shaft is not contacting the bottom of the bearing recess confirming that it is contacting at the shaft shoulder to the bearing. My bearing does not sit flush in the plate and the recess is clean but it is shallow. I'm starting to wonder if there was a whole run of plates with shallow bearing recesses?
I counter-bored one of Toms bushings for the drive side and the spool is now centered perfectly so I know that I can bore the bearing recess the same additional depth as I did the bushing and then the spool will center. I could also just leave the bushings and be done with it. The plate bearing recess only needs to be 0.05" deeper for a centered spool.
Mike
Nice work Mike!
Contact Accurate and see if they'll swap it out.
Quote from: MarkT on February 13, 2016, 01:48:12 AM
Contact Accurate and see if they'll swap it out.
Accurate hasn't made these for many years.
Yep your sole source is late after market sales, ebay, vintage Offshore, craigslist.
I bought what was advertised as a 113 full accurate conversion off craigslist.
got it today, Imagine my disappointment when I found out it is a jigmaster not a 4/0.
It is 8-9 out of 10 as far as condition, and its black, real pretty so I think I still got a pretty good deal on it, and I cant blame the seller for the confusion because it does have 4/0 internals so I can see how he was confused, its not a 113 with a full accurate conversion but a 500 that has been converted with 113 gears, bridge, sleeve.
So I guess I will keep it.
David,
You SCORED! Post photos so we can be envious.
Quote from: PacRat on March 06, 2016, 12:25:01 AM
David,
You SCORED! Post photos so we can be envious.
Yes David, another magnum is a score !!
I'm with Mike, lets see that winch :o :o
Maybe I'll follow up with a pic of the mint squidder magnum I just got, but not till we see Davids magnum ;D ;D
Quote from: Max Doubt on March 06, 2016, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: PacRat on March 06, 2016, 12:25:01 AM
David,
You SCORED! Post photos so we can be envious.
Yes David, another magnum is a score !!
I'm with Mike, lets see that winch :o :o
Maybe I'll follow up with a pic of the mint squidder magnum I just got, but not till we see Davids magnum ;D ;D
A mint Squidder Magnum :o
Ted.. you have been holding out on us!
Not really holding out John. ;) ;)
I'll post pics later next week, but David has to post his foist ;D
Ted
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its got some dings and scars the biggest from the clutch lever slamming into the frame without protection and all the accurate badging is worn off, this one will get upgraded and fished. I have a clean one that I will be upgrading and should be plynth worthy.
I will post pics of that one as I go through it.
These reels are beasts in stock form just imagine after all the available upgrades are added, adams insert, BP DD bridge and 10 tooth sleeve, Adams counterbalanced handle and star. They can become monsters of the deep.
That's the same reel Al (da big ono) started this thread with. You definately scored David. 8)
I'm doing same upgrades to mine and am looking forward to putting it to work.
Very nice score David!
Glad you're planning on fishing it. I see on your pics that you add some o-rings on the eccentric lever to help protect the side plate.
I fished my Magnum last season, but didn't hook anything worthy to really test it.
Please post some pics of your other Magnum too :)
Quote from: Max Doubt on March 06, 2016, 01:44:36 AM
I'll follow up with a pic of the mint squidder magnum I just got, but not till we see Davids magnum...
Definitely looking forward to seeing a new thread started Ted ;)
that looks like to one that was on ebay
Quote from: David Hall on March 07, 2016, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: theluckpusher on March 07, 2016, 02:55:39 AM
that looks like to one that was on ebay
It is.
Those are the best kind......especially when the seller doesn't know it's a magnum ;D ;D
I bid on one recently that some concerned citizen felt it was their duty to notify the seller that he was actually selling a Magnum and it was worth way more than the bids. I didn't really appreciate that but what are you gonna do, move on to the next one.
Quote from: David Hall on March 07, 2016, 09:20:32 PM
I bid on one recently that some concerned citizen felt it was their duty to notify the seller that he was actually selling a Magnum and it was worth way more than the bids. I didn't really appreciate that but what are you gonna do, move on to the next one.
I agree David. It seems that there are a few guys on eBay that like spilling the beans and let a seller know what they "really" have. Those sleeper listings are usually from an estate sale junky and if they get $50 for a $200 reel they are happy, cause they knew no better.
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 07, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
Quote from: David Hall on March 07, 2016, 09:20:32 PM
I bid on one recently that some concerned citizen felt it was their duty to notify the seller that he was actually selling a Magnum and it was worth way more than the bids. I didn't really appreciate that but what are you gonna do, move on to the next one.
I agree David. It seems that there are a few guys on eBay that like spilling the beans and let a seller know what they "really" have. Those sleeper listings are usually from an estate sale junky and if they get $50 for a $200 reel they are happy, cause they knew no better.
Reminds me of the Perez no. 1 I found listed for ~$15 BIN.. I offered the seller $50 (to ease my conscience), and he immediately accepted. He said it had been sitting in his garage since his father passed away. In contrast, usually estate buyers/sellers will update there listing and sometimes the reserve, with any info you provide or ask about though, so offering more then asking is always a bit risky for the buyer.
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This is my Magnum collection three jigmasters and one squidder in the lower left.
Dave... you got some cool toys ;)
Wow David, that's a sweet layout of Magnums. Enough to make a grown man Jeaulous :o :o
I am afraid of what I have become, I only want one....................more!
they are cool though, especially when I think of all the awesome aftermarket hot rod parts supplied by members here. stainless parts, DD bridges, Adams inserts.
all these reels will get them eventually.
Im going to go through one of the black jigmasters next, I have everything for the build except Alans DD 113 bridge. As soon as I can get my hands on it I will go through it and post pictures, we may as well make this thread last forever after all it was Da Big Ono that started this, I saw his reel and fell in love.
Quote from: David Hall on March 10, 2016, 12:02:04 AM
This is my Magnum collection three jigmasters and one squidder in the lower left.
Nice collection of Magnums! A squidder on top of it!!
Quote from: David Hall on March 10, 2016, 12:26:54 AM
I am afraid of what I have become, I only want one....................more!
they are cool though, especially when I think of all the awesome aftermarket hot rod parts supplied by members here. stainless parts, DD bridges, Adams inserts.
all these reels will get them eventually.
Im going to go through one of the black jigmasters next, I have everything for the build except Alans DD 113 bridge. As soon as I can get my hands on it I will go through it and post pictures, we may as well make this thread last forever after all it was Da Big Ono that started this, I saw his reel and fell in love.
You nailed it David, it's all DaBigOno's fault. I was happy with standard jiggys till I saw that black beauty that started this thread and now I'm soon to receive my 3rd magnum. It's like a good potato chip, you can't have just one !!
Don't worry Al, I won't blame you when my wife finds out about my magnum addiction ;) ;)
Ted
I had basically mothballed my jigmasters and Senators when I moved from the beach until I found this site last year. I had more money before that fateful day......
One of these days soon I have a feeling one of our hot rod technicians is going to create his own version of the magnum side plate and a whole new world of super Penns is going to open up.
Alan C has magnum Squidder coming this summer I believe
Quote from: thorhammer on March 10, 2016, 07:11:42 PM
Alan C has magnum Squidder coming this summer I believe
I'll be waiting for Tom H and his jigmaster magnum project. Gotta start saving now !!
I'm sure I'll be in on Alans Squidders too !!
Quote from: DaBigOno on March 07, 2016, 02:35:00 AM
Quote from: Max Doubt on March 06, 2016, 01:44:36 AM
I'll follow up with a pic of the mint squidder magnum I just got, but not till we see Davids magnum...
Definitely looking forward to seeing a new thread started Ted ;)
Here's the 140 squidder magnum
No need for a new thread Al, this is mostly jigmaster internals, just a lot tighter quarters with the smaller diameter squidder plates. I think the eccentric and jack are the only remaining factory squidder parts
This one is ready to fish ;) ;)
That is a mint condition squidder, gonna be twice as tough with all the stainless upgrades?
Wow! Ted, that is super clean. Is all your stuff mint? ;)
Quote from: DaBigOno on March 13, 2016, 11:12:37 AM
Wow! Ted, that is super clean. Is all your stuff mint? ;)
No Al, all my stuff isn't mint. ::)
My dodge truck has a dent in the tailgate :D and some of my levis have holes in the knees ;D ;D
Ted
Killer Squidder.
.....and another jigmaster magnum. Form and function all rolled up into one.....and one closer to catching up with David ;D ;D
Special thanks to Randy Pauly..... Vintage Offshore Tackle. Nowhere else will you find such a reel. 8) 8)
Ted,
I like any Penn magnum reel, but that red rocket is the sexiest of them all. I especially like the extra touch on the drag star, nice power handle (I love the look of the counter balance on your 99 though), and what eccentric lever are you using to get it perfectly parallel with the plate? Lastly, is that clear plastic on the eccentric lever? I prefer that over colors unless the color is close or spot on.
Always love seeing these colorful, sadly discontinued, aftermarket Penn reels all put together.
Thanks
Dom
Beautiful reel Ted, but you and David are getting out of hand!
I'm telling your wives ;D
;) sweet...........
Quote from: DaBigOno on March 22, 2016, 07:50:16 AM
Beautiful reel Ted, but you and David are getting out of hand!
I'm telling your wives ;D
You started it!
Quote from: David Hall on March 22, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: DaBigOno on March 22, 2016, 07:50:16 AM
Beautiful reel Ted, but you and David are getting out of hand!
I'm telling your wives ;D
You started it!
Almost 9,000 hits tells me that Al did us all a favor by starting this thread....but my bank account says otherwise :D :D
Magnums will always be on my radar thanks to Al and David..........and Bryan with his red 99.
Ted
Big Al don't play.
He has a lot of nice reels.
Great Guy too. ;)
I can't wait to hotrod one
I have been months tracking down parts but I finally have everything I need except one keystone part.
The long awaited Pro challenger 113 DD bridge.
:o
Al started this thread with the comparison of a jigmaster 500 and a jigmaster magnum, so to continue on that, here is a standard red accurate squidder next to the gold magnum accurate squidder (140). This particular magnum has a 505 sleeve and a custom 5/1 gear set.....a squidder lovers dream, higher gear ratio and higher drag poundage. :D...notice the gold headplate only has 5 frame screws. The larger gear housing left no room for that screw. I doubt it would ever be an issue.
Stay tuned, I'll be doing the grand daddy magnum comparison in a few days.....the magum 4/0 !! ;D ;D
Ted
Is that a 4:1 or 5:1 gear set?
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 07, 2016, 07:18:48 PM
Is that a 4:1 or 5:1 gear set?
Its 5/1 Al.
I checked it several times, and it's 5/1 for sure
Ted
Here is a shot of the outer gear housing and the bulge on the gold one for the jigmaster gear set
Ted
Man you've got some sick - really nice looking reels right there Ted . ;D
Rgds
Mat...
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 07, 2016, 07:24:39 PM
Here is a shot of the outer gear housing and the bulge on the gold one for the jigmaster gear set
Ted
That red counterbalanced handle is sweeet!
:o that's all I have to say about that.
...and the grand daddy accurate magnum conversion. A 113H that now has a 114H bridge/sleeve, and gear set. (red). I wonder what kind of beast Sal could turn this one into :o :o
The blue is just a run of the mill ;) ;) narrow 113H accurate for comparison. In the 2nd pic you can see a slight bulge in gear housing that dips below the frame
I also noticed a different positioning for the gear housing on the magnum. Looks like it was done that way to prevent eliminating 2 frame screws in a row on one side, as when you look close and count the frame screw holes you'll notice the magnum has 2 screws less than the 113H. That huge gear left no choice.
Ted
I have never seen a 113H Magnum...very nice.
Ted,
You are out of Control! ;)
Wow! That Magnum 4/0 is awesome!! And that blue 4/0 is just a beauty
Killer reels, my hats off Ted
You got me! I dont even have a 4/0 magnum......................yet.
Quote from: David Hall on April 08, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
You got me! I dont even have a 4/0 magnum......................yet.
That can be arranged.
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on April 09, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: David Hall on April 08, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
You got me! I dont even have a 4/0 magnum......................yet.
That can be arranged.
First things first Randy... let's talk about your avatar!
Well?
The caption was "I think we need a bigger boat."
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on April 09, 2016, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: David Hall on April 08, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
You got me! I dont even have a 4/0 magnum......................yet.
That can be arranged.
Darn....This means I need to find a 3/0 magnum or David will pass me by again. ;D ;D
Ted
Quote from: Tightlines666 on April 07, 2016, 08:32:20 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 07, 2016, 07:24:39 PM
Here is a shot of the outer gear housing and the bulge on the gold one for the jigmaster gear set
Ted
That red counterbalanced handle is sweeet!
YES!!! 8) I like the design, only the other half is lighted without affecting the strength of the handle arm , cool!!
Marc..
Marc..
Hello to all you people. Im a newbie here and I just wanted to say hello to all of you . I have one question what colors did the jigmaster magnums come in. Thanks
Quote from: reel addict on April 11, 2016, 12:15:54 AM
Hello to all you people. Im a newbie here and I just wanted to say hello to all of you . I have one question what colors did the jigmaster magnums come in. Thanks
I think in this tread alone, there's black, gold, red, & silver... there might be more colors, but I'm not too sure
but, i think Randy might be able to shed more light
BTW: welcome reel addict!!! :)
I have seen an Ice Blue Magnum. I haven't seen any in green or purple but I would guess that there are probably a few out there.
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Not a Magnum but it is a 113 and it is a beauty.
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Sweet reel David :o :o... When I grow up I would like to have reels like yours 8) 8)
Ted
Wow that ice blue is nice. I like to see more of the unusual colors cause there is tons of red gold black and silver out there. I guess I like to collect more hard to get colors
Quote from: reel addict on April 11, 2016, 06:23:21 PM
Wow that ice blue is nice. I like to see more of the unusual colors cause there is tons of red gold black and silver out there. I guess I like to collect more hard to get colors
David, Al, and Mike are the guys for that request :o :o
Ted
Hi Guys
Just wondering if there is any part on the magnum that is only found on a Jigmaster?
Basto
Quote from: basto on April 11, 2016, 11:05:45 PM
Hi Guys
Just wondering if there is any part on the magnum that is only found on a Jigmaster?
Basto
Not sure exactly what your asking but the magnum design follows a bit of a pattern.
The magnum squidder uses jigmaster gears and internal part.
The magnum jigmaster uses 113 gears and internal parts.
I can't tell you for certain because I dont have one but I think the 4/0 113 magnum uses 6/0 gears and internals. Randy knows for sure, I have never seen inside one.
Quote from: reel addict on April 11, 2016, 06:23:21 PM
Wow that ice blue is nice. I like to see more of the unusual colors cause there is tons of red gold black and silver out there. I guess I like to collect more hard to get colors
David, Ted, Randy and Mike are the guys for that request :o :o
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 11, 2016, 11:57:17 PM
Quote from: reel addict on April 11, 2016, 06:23:21 PM
Wow that ice blue is nice. I like to see more of the unusual colors cause there is tons of red gold black and silver out there. I guess I like to collect more hard to get colors
David, Ted, Randy and Mike are the guys for that request :o :o
Magnums arched to come by in any color. I have red, gold and black only. I do not think I have ever seen any other colours? But I am no authority on these by any stretch, every thing I know about magnums, I learned from this thread!
Everything I know about magnums I learned from Al and David..........and Randy :o :o
Al is legendary when it comes to rare accurates. Someday he may come clean :D :D
Ted
I must be honest to all of you peeps. I have a problem I am ADDICTED to jigmaster accurate and mags
Quote from: reel addict on April 12, 2016, 02:45:33 AM
I must be honest to all of you peeps. I have a problem I am ADDICTED to jigmaster accurate and mags
Sorry to hear that my friend, there is no cure, only temporary relief when you get a new one, only lasts until you see another one. It's brutal!
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 12, 2016, 02:20:38 AM
Everything I know about magnums I learned from Al and David..........and Randy :o :o
Al is legendary when it comes to rare accurates. Someday he may come clean :D :D
That's the beautiful thing about this site, we're all learning from each other.
Quote from: David Hall on April 12, 2016, 08:57:20 PM
Sorry to hear that my friend, there is no cure, only temporary relief when you get a new one, only ;Dlasts until you see another one. It's brutal!
This is funny! But the truth
I keep saying this one going be my last one. That was about 5x ago
Quote from: reel addict on April 12, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
I keep saying this one going be my last one. That was about 5x ago
you should not feel so all alone...
steve
Here's how I look at fishing reels, and knives and guns and bows too for that matter, but let's keep this discussion on fishing reels.
Buy high sell low
I only Need ONE more!
My problem is I spend a lot of mula on reels and I don't ues it. Its called a shelf queen
Quote from: reel addict on April 13, 2016, 03:09:36 AM
My problem is I spend a lot of mula on reels and I don't ues it. Its called a shelf queen
Something I never had until I stated collecting accurate conversions!
And Cortez Conversions!
Now I got shelf full!
I just can't bring myself to take the really clean ones out on the boat.
If anyone wants a super jigmaster 3 inch wide black frame gold plates lmk.I don't know where else to post this ad
Quote from: David Hall on April 11, 2016, 11:47:57 PM
Quote from: basto on April 11, 2016, 11:05:45 PM
Hi Guys
Just wondering if there is any part on the magnum that is only found on a Jigmaster?
Basto
Not sure exactly what your asking but the magnum design follows a bit of a pattern.
The magnum squidder uses jigmaster gears and internal part.
The magnum jigmaster uses 113 gears and internal parts.
I can't tell you for certain because I dont have one but I think the 4/0 113 magnum uses 6/0 gears and internals. Randy knows for sure, I have never seen inside one.
Thanks David for your reply. I could not see why the Jigmaster name is used.
Quote from: David Hall on April 11, 2016, 11:47:57 PM
Not sure exactly what your asking but the magnum design follows a bit of a pattern.
The magnum squidder uses jigmaster gears and internal part.
The magnum jigmaster uses 113 gears and internal parts.
I can't tell you for certain because I dont have one but I think the 4/0 113 magnum uses 6/0 gears and internals. Randy knows for sure, I have never seen inside one.
Can you really get a Jigmaster gear to fit into a Squidder? That main gear is huge; I'd be surprised if this were the case... But everything else sounds right, including the 113 Magnum using 6/0 innards.
Sid
David is correct, the Squidder Magnum uses the Jig Master gears and some internals. Each Magnum uses the next size up gearing, as he describes.
Quote from: sdlehr on April 15, 2016, 04:16:25 AMCan you really get a Jigmaster gear to fit into a Squidder? That main gear is huge; I'd be surprised if this were the case... But everything else sounds right, including the 113 Magnum using 6/0 innards.
Sid
Sid,
The Magnum Squidder sidepate is machined with a "bump" that allows it to accomodate the larger gear.
TIght Lines !
Dave
Quote from: reel addict on April 14, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
If anyone wants a super jigmaster 3 inch wide black frame gold plates lmk.I don't know where else to post this ad
Would you happen to have the SPOOL for this???
It is a pretty amazing little reel when you think about the aftermarket upgrades made available by members here.
You start with your average awesome little reel made by Penn, the squidder.
Then toss in larger jigmaster gears and pro challenger DD bridge and stainless gear sleeve and Bryan's drag Kit. Motive fab star and handle.
Now you have a squidder size reel that employs bigger gears and super duty bridge, sleeve, and drags.
It truly is a super mini tank.
Then step up to the jigmaster magnum which is essentially a super 113 conversion and you have an even tougher slightly larger reel, and then there's the ultimate 113 4/0 magnum using the same gear set as the 115 9/0 Penn! I don't even know how to describe this reel? Maybe when I get one I will be able to describe it but for now I just have squidders and jigmasters to hot rod.
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 15, 2016, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: reel addict on April 14, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
If anyone wants a super jigmaster 3 inch wide black frame gold plates lmk.I don't know where else to post this ad
Would you happen to have the SPOOL for this???
sorry all I have is complete reels
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on April 15, 2016, 01:31:04 PM
David is correct, the Squidder Magnum uses the Jig Master gears and some internals. Each Magnum uses the next size up gearing, as he describes.
Tom, when you built your special squidders, did you build any as magnums?
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 15, 2016, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: reel addict on April 14, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
If anyone wants a super jigmaster 3 inch wide black frame gold plates lmk.I don't know where else to post this ad
Would you happen to have the SPOOL for this???
Al I can have Tiburon run an extra spool for you widen they run my Super Jigmaster frame/spool kits, but they are not scheduled to be ready until late June. Can you wait that long?
Randy
That's not that long to wait. Especially for something as special as this.
Quote from: DaBigOno on April 15, 2016, 05:09:41 PM
Quote from: reel addict on April 14, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
If anyone wants a super jigmaster 3 inch wide black frame gold plates lmk.I don't know where else to post this ad
Would you happen to have the SPOOL for this???
I must have misundertood the offer, i was thinking frame & plates for a 3-inch
Super Magnum Jigmaster ??? ??? ??? I never heard of it.
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on April 16, 2016, 01:48:38 AM
Al I can have Tiburon run an extra spool for you widen they run my Super Jigmaster frame/spool kits, but they are not scheduled to be ready until late June. Can you wait that long?
Randy
Yes Randy, put me in for one in June.I'll start saving my pennies...
Al, the Super Jigmaster frame/spool kit that Tiburon is building for us is not a Magnum, it's for the standard Jigmaster, and will work with Tom's side plates, Accuplates, Lee Pro, Baja Pacific or stock Penn Jigmaster side plates.
The widest Jigmaster Magnum that I have seen is 500 width, but that doesn't mean that there might not be a Yellowfin or even Super Jigmaster Magnum out there somewhere.
Thanks,
Randy
It's the spool that limits what you can build from magnum parts.
Gotta have a magnum spool.
Im thinking of selling my jigmaster magnum in cherry condition can someone tell me what its worth. Don't have no idea. Thanks
Quote from: reel addict on April 22, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
Im thinking of selling my jigmaster magnum in cherry condition can someone tell me what its worth. Don't have no idea. Thanks
I have recently (in the last 6mos) purchased them for 275.00-325.00 what color is it?
Quote from: David Hall on April 22, 2016, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: reel addict on April 22, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
Im thinking of selling my jigmaster magnum in cherry condition can someone tell me what its worth. Don't have no idea. Thanks
I have recently (in the last 6mos) purchased them for 275.00-325.00 what color is it?
The reel is red with red spool
Is that a PM I hear being typed David? ;D ;D
Almost but with all the Cortez side plates coming i just about broke the bank!
Except I have gold and black no red ones"...".........................yet?
Damnit!
PM Sent
Can someone explain how to post pictures from my picture gallery.im not to good with these smart phone. Im old school
I'm not too good with technology either. I download my reel pics to my PC then send them to Photo Bucket.
Good luck
Does anyone have a jigmaster 500 magnum spool. Helping a friend that needs one . Thanks
Randy at Vintage Offshore Tackle is going to be your best bet.
-Mike
Thanks mike I will ask offshore tackle but just in case he don't have if Anyone else has please let me know
Can't seem to find a jig magnum spool does anyone on here have a spare thats willing to sell one.
Post a want add in the WTTB thread you might get lucky, these are as rare as hens teeth and even harder to find.
We all love a Penn 501
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How about a Penn 501 MAGNUM!
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The identify mark of a Magnum
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Ooh that's purty.
Load that up with upgrades and spool it full of 130lb. Braid and mono topshot and go tuna fishing!
I have enough reels, I have enough reels, I have enough reels...but I don't have that one!
There is no such thing as a 501 magnum................................Till Now :o :o
Thanks for sharing your gem Al.......now I'm on a mission ;)
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on May 05, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
There is no such thing as a 501 magnum................................Till Now :o :o
Thanks for sharing your gem Al.......now I'm on a mission ;)
Ted
We're going to be seeing some new magnums here, I'm about to start work on a 99, just waiting for Alan's bridge to arrive, this thread will live forever!
Oh I love my mailman!
Today he brought me a gorgeous black mint condition 4/0 Magnum, courtesy of our number one resource, Mr. Randy Pauly of Vintage Offshore Tackle.
Pics you say?
Quote from: David Hall on May 05, 2016, 11:50:03 PM
Oh I love my mailman!
Today he brought me a gorgeous black mint condition 4/0 Magnum, courtesy of our number one resource, Mr. Randy Pauly of Vintage Offshore Tackle.
Pics you say?
Yes! We need pics or it didn't happen. 😃
How about a full break down with pics and a bit of illustration of what, how and why... Etc.
You got some cool stuff Al.
Sal
Big Al has it going on. ;D
The Man has skills.
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Wow! That's all I got to say :o
There's not much that can be done with this reel, stainless gear sleeve and drag insert kit is about it.
I just had to have one to round out my collection, now I have one of each , squidder, jigmaster, 3/0 and 4/0 mags.
I'm going to start my jigmaster build as soon as Alan C sends me my DD bridge and One of Lou's custom T knobs. I have Adams insert, star and handle, PC 10 tooth gear sleeve, and an accurate 99 frame and spool to narrow it down, it's one of two black JMMs I have and this one will be fished.
I hope one day our in house design builders come up with magnum style parts for us to retrofit our reels with.
The squidder is the one I'd really like to see, a small reel with upgraded jigmaster internals, Adams insert or PC 2nd gen gear sets would pump the drag up to phenomenal numbers and this little reel could be fished with 80-100 lb. test! Just imagine the class of fish we could take with that! I'm taking one of my magnums on a cow tuna hunt one of these days.
Quote from: David Hall on May 06, 2016, 07:51:58 PM
I hope one day our in house design builders come up with magnum style parts for us to retrofit our reels with.
The squidder is the one I'd really like to see, a small reel with upgraded jigmaster internals, Adams insert or PC 2nd gen gear sets would pump the drag up to phenomenal numbers and this little reel could be fished with 80-100 lb. test! Just imagine the class of fish we could take with that! I'm taking one of my magnums on a cow tuna hunt one of these days.
That is a great thought David, and one likely shared by many members.
John
She's almost there. Built from spare parts with a lot of help (and good advice) from Randy and a lot assistance from members here. Big Al really inspired me to go forward with this after it sat on the back burner for too long. I could not have completed this without all the help...thank you everyone. Still waiting on a double-dog bridge but she's 100% functional now. Some of the challenges were; fabricating a gear cover plate from scratch (this one is aluminum but I hope to make one from stainless...or find an original). Modifying a stainless yoke was also a chore as they are made of very hard steel. Centering the spool side-to-side was accomplished by milling the head-plate bearing pocket slightly deeper with an end-mill then shimming the bearing with shims from McMaster-Carr.
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The spool is very well centered now.
That's a beauty of a reel Mike! I'm glad you got'er dun...
Great job on centering the spool and fabbing a lower gear plate 👍🏾👍🏾
Keep up the great work,
Al
Way to go Mike that is a beauty and well done on making the plate and figuring out how to make that spool fit correctly. This is the first silver Magnum I have seen and Adams star and handle with the AT-PK handle fits it well. Looks like a serious fishing machine. Awesome all the way around.
Is there a smily for a head turning long low whistle??? ;D :o ;D
Wow, she's a beut!
Wow :o :o
This thread just keeps getting better and better. I hope someday it gets a sticky cause I never get tired of thumbing thru all the pages with the sweet reels. David the 99 magnum is a special reel, nicely done. Now Bryan has company. Mike that is a super clean magnum and I like the silver on silver look. If I remember correctly you were searching for a spool ?? Looks like your search paid off !!
Ted
Randy helped me out with that spool. It took me about two years to get this together. The spool was the difficult part and I didn't want to invest in the rest unless I could obtain a spool. This dictated the rest of the build. Randy and I both agreed that the full width 500 spool loaded with 80 lb. braid would really allow the full potential of the Magnum to be realized. Then Al started this thread with his gorgeous black magnum and it really inspired me to keep this build moving along. I couldn't have completed this reel without this site and all the talent and knowledge represented here.
Thank you everyone
Mike
Wow now thats a very nice silver magnum a color not seen to often congrats on your build.
This thread is filled with a whole lot of awesome...that is all ;D
Anybody seen a double dog bridge yet?
The final piece to making these super tanks.
On a more serious note, I'm trying to understand the spool and gear interface in the is reel. I know the magnum uses a larger shaft diameter, I'm wondering how this plays with the pinion gears?
Are the exclusive to the magnum?
Can we use BP 2nd generation gears and pinions?
It used the gears from a 113H. The 113H pinion has a larger hole than the 500 pinion. This is why you need a special spool. A 500(99,501) spool with the larger diameter 113H shaft.
Quote from: David Hall on May 16, 2016, 08:02:53 PM
Anybody seen a double dog bridge yet?
The final piece to making these super tanks.
On a more serious note, I'm trying to understand the spool and gear interface in the is reel. I know the magnum uses a larger shaft diameter, I'm wondering how this plays with the pinion gears?
Are the exclusive to the magnum?
Can we use BP 2nd generation gears and pinions?
I am waiting for you to be the crash test dummy David ;D ;D
I have 4 DD bridges coming and I may try one on the magnum, but haven't decided yet. Sal may already have the answer to these fitting a magnum.
Ted
Ted,
I would bet my bottom dollar that it will fit. The Magnums use 113 bridges and gears and interface over to Jigmaster at the modified yoke. The mext part in line is the jack and that's Jigmaster. I think if it fits Accuplates; it will fit Magnums.
That's my two cents worth...I'm not even crossing my fingers...call it 'Blind Faith'.
-Mike
Quote from: PacRat on May 16, 2016, 11:08:52 PM
Ted,
I would bet my bottom dollar that it will fit. The Magnums use 113 bridges and gears and interface over to Jigmaster at the modified yoke. The mext part in line is the jack and that's Jigmaster. I think if it fits Accuplates; it will fit Magnums.
That's my two cents worth...I'm not even crossing my fingers...call it 'Blind Faith'.
-Mike
Well Mike, if the magnums are milled the same as a standard accurate 113H plate, then we know it'll fit. The new bridges were tested and do fit the accurate 113H plates, but were not tested in a magnum.
I'd bet my bottom dollar too Mike, but my bottom dollar would fit in my wife's coin purse. ;D ;D
Ted
I'm 99.99% sure The bridge will fit, I was just wondering about my gear set options.
The new 2nd generation gears would be nice, but I have Adams inserts and accurate gear sets so that's what's going in the first ones. Just a few more days until the bridges ship.
Here is my squidder magnum. I had to modify the right side plate to get the duel dog bridge to fit. The dog spring post was hitting the plate and it wouldn't allow the bridge to line up with the screw holes. The 5.1 gears work with no problems. They are a little tight and will need time to break in.
Mike
Wish you had pictures of your mods to the side plate, I'm assuming you just milled it down a hair to make the fit?
I still have some mods left I will take some pictures as soon as the parts get here. As for the cutting it was very little. I used a small die grinder. I may have to do a little more. Tom's idea of removing material everywhere you can on the 113 plates was a good idea they should have used when they built this tank. Their is to much extra metal that can be removed to save weight. Maybe I will give I some thought and do it. I would have to go through reanodising but the weight saving would be quite a bit. They put no thought in it when they made these plates and frame. Even the spool is heavy duty.
Mike
Here's my jigmaster 99 magnum build. The bridge should be here by next Monday or Tuesday and I will be able to seriously get into the projec. Today I decided to dry fit the frame, plates and spool, I removed the bearings for cleaning and lubing. It took awhile to locate the spool and 99 frame but with a lead from Randy P.
I was able to make a deal with a private seller down south and secure those parts, it's getting an accurate main gear and pinion that Dom shipped to me last year, Adams insert and drag Kit. One of his counterbalanced arms and oversize star, a new 10 tooth sleeve. And to ice the cake, Lou is working on a special handle for it.
So this is the intro, I will take step by step photos as I work through the reel once the bridge arrives. For now it's just general cleaning and organizing the parts.
I got everything to work in my squidder. The 5.1 gears the 10 pt sleeve and Bryans washer set also the dual dog stainless bridge and yoke. The reel is tight and smooth with little or no backlass. It can't get much better than that.
Mike that is probably the most powerful little reel ever built and capable of 25+ lbs of smooth drag.
I might get bigger numbers with the larger gear set in terms of drag but Overall I don't think it will be any stronger than the squidder magnum. It would be fun to load it up with 100lb test and fish wahoo with it.
I used the new parts out of my penn 99 with Tom's plates. Then I ordered more parts from alan minus the gear set. I want the 4.0 gear ratio and the 2nd generation drag set up. It should be just a few weeks and it will be ready. I hope the 113 2nd generation gear is right around the corner also. We are talking more eye candy for the reel addiction we all have. What will they come up with next? Handles that set the reel apart from the others is very hard to find.
Mike
Awesome reels...great thread! 8)
Bridge arrived in today's mail, so here's what were tossing aside and replacing in this reel.
On the left we have the old and on the right the new.
1st up is the old brass single dog bridge and original brass sleeve with hard fiber washer, it will be replaced by the long awaited pro challenger bridge with 10 tooth sleeve and delrin under gear washer from Adams insert kit.
2nd the old brass main gear will be upgraded with an original accurate 4:1 stainless steel maingear and pinion courtesy of Broadway.
3rd. This reel had an upgraded 5+1 drag Kit, but Adams insert will boost even those numbers so that's the way we're going.
Looking great!
Let's look at the rest of the parts.
We start with accurate magnum sideplates, bearings opened cleaned and lubed with tsi321.
An immaculate accurate 99 frame, I had to purchase a whole jigmaster reel to get this but it was worth it. The reel itself had never been spooled so now I have the frame to use on my magnum reel and a virtually brand new set of jigmaster sideplates for future use. And then there is the spool, the unicorn of the magnum reel world. So hard to find in any color or size. to try and find a red 99 size was at times frustrating, but persistence and patience paid off and I was able to procure this very clean red 99 magnum spool.
I can tell you the PC double dog bridge fits with no mods to the Magnum plate! With that said...I'm experiencing some fit issues that I haven't sorted out yet. It feels and sounds like contact on the drive side. The bridge screws were trimmed to fit a Penn bridge and now they stick out a little further but if they didn't contact with the Penn bridge; they shouldn't contact with the new PC bridge. The Penn bridge is beveled around the edge so I'm suspecting that I may need to soften that edge on the new PC bridge. I fogged the inside of the spool flange with carnauba wax. After it dries I'll re-assemble then take it apart and check for contact.
The bottom line is; all these parts are compatible with the Magnum and just require a little fitting. The best thing is that they feel very solid! This beast will be incredible when finished!
-Mike
I was just dry fitting the maingear and checking clearances around the dogs, I noticed when the bridge is placed into the side plate, it does stick up a bit. I don't know that this is going to be an issue but I think I might take your observation and ease the edge of the plate just to see if it sets lower into the sideplate.
First I'm going to check the spool centering in the frame, with the bearings in place and assembled.
Here's the new bridge and gear stack with insert all dry fit.
I moved on to assemble the right side plate. During installing the eccentric spring I had a first ever occurrence, the spring slipped out of my pliers under tension of course and I vaguely caught the blur as it flew up past my face nearly touching the garage ceiling and zipping across the room and hitting a piece of cardboard, hmm fortunately for me there are only 5300 cardboard boxes in my garage, I should locate it by August! Okay time out for me, my mind is muddled and beleive it or not, the doctors have me on a five pound weight restriction, I discovered it takes more than five pounds to compress an eccentric spring and wiggle it into position. Will get back to it later.
The 99 is my favorite and just seeing one as a magnum is mind boggling, and to think of it handling a cow tuna, but no doubt it is capable.
Ted
That was my intent to take this reel on my next cow hunt. I believe the reel is capable of the drags required but I don't think the 99 will hold enough line to do the job, we will see, maybe my Hawaiian wide build will be better suited.
Quote from: PacRat on May 24, 2016, 12:18:40 AM
I can tell you the PC double dog bridge fits with no mods to the Magnum plate! With that said...I'm experiencing some fit issues that I haven't sorted out yet. It feels and sounds like contact on the drive side. The bridge screws were trimmed to fit a Penn bridge and now they stick out a little further but if they didn't contact with the Penn bridge; they shouldn't contact with the new PC bridge. The Penn bridge is beveled around the edge so I'm suspecting that I may need to soften that edge on the new PC bridge. I fogged the inside of the spool flange with carnauba wax. After it dries I'll re-assemble then take it apart and check for contact.
The bottom line is; all these parts are compatible with the Magnum and just require a little fitting. The best thing is that they feel very solid! This beast will be incredible when finished!
-Mike
Mike, as you've noticed the 113H bridge plate is not beveled as Penn plate is, it is doing good in the 4/0, but on a Jigmaster size spool you might need to bevel the edge. I do not have a Magnum, but I'm pretty much sure that would do it.
Sal
Scavanged an eccentric spring from an unused side plate and got the side plate together. Toms bridge screws fit perfectly. The bridge itself fit right in with zero tuning, no mods whatsoever, but Toms frame screws don't fit through the holes in the side plates so I had to use stock slot head screws for now. The bridge screws protruded through and stick up a little bit. I assembled the left side plate to the frame, installed the spool then the right side plate, nested right snug and tightened it up to the frame, no problems shifting in and out of freespool, the new 10 tooth sleeve is awesome practically eliminates backlash in the handle. Added Adams star and a temporary arm and handle to match. The spool is slightly off centre as Mike has indicated and it appears the problem is the same, the drive side bearing cup needs to be milled a few thousandths deeper to get the spool to move slightly right. There's no line eating gaps so I may or may not do anything about it. I think it came out looking like I planned and once I get my Motive Fab counterbalanced arm polished up and one of Lou's knobs, I can call this one done except it's all dry fit right now and everything needs grease and oil.
Another view, note: not shown here is Toms knurled adjustable bearing cup, it is installed, fits perfect and works fantastic.
One more view of this little monster. Your basic 50 dollar jigmaster with every upgrade hot rod mod known.
The accurate 4:1 gears are smooth even dry, the double dogs engage beautifully. Alan hit a home run with this new bridge it is well worth the wait. Matched up with his 10 tooth sleeve there is no better aftermarket drop in upgrade.
:oWOW :o
David,
If you decide to mill your drive side bearing pocket you will need to bevel the edge of your bridge plate to prevent contact with the spool flange. I just finished mine and she's nice and quiet now.
-Mike
Mike Are you bevelling it on the spool side?
Andy, thanks it looks like your black widows brother!
Quote from: PacRat on May 24, 2016, 04:04:42 AM
David,
If you decide to mill your drive side bearing pocket you will need to bevel the edge of your bridge plate to prevent contact with the spool flange. I just finished mine and she's nice and quiet now.
-Mike
Hi Mike,
Can you show a picture of it?
Thanks,
--Alan
Yep, spool side. The contact was very minimal and the contact line on the spool flange was finer than a hair. You could probably get away with just breaking the edge a little because it's sharp. I decided to do a full bevel just incase the spool flange were to spread a little. I appreciate tight tolerances but they can get you in trouble too. I want it to be tight in all the right places and loose in all the right places too.
-Mike
Alan,
I'll take photos tomorrow when I have better light. I think this will only be an issue with the Magnums as Sal pointed out. Much tighter quarters inside the 500 size spool flanges. The bevel seems to fix that though. I haven't put one in Tom's 4/0 yet but I plan to. I also plan to put one in a Pro Gear, Damn...I didn't buy enough.
-Mike
Alan this mod will likely only be needed when two things happen.
1. Your installing it on a jigmaster accurate magnum side plate.
2. Your particular side plate needs to have the bearing cup milled deeper because the spool won't centre properly between the side plates. As a note I have 4 of these side reels and have this issue on only one of them and it's not as bad as what Mike had on his reel.
Milling the bearing pocket moves the side bearing outboard on the drive side, this also allows the spool to move outboard on the same side so it engages deeper into the side plate. This crowds the inside flange of the spool onto the bridge, whatever clearance there was between the edge of the bridge and the bridge screws and the inside flange of the spool is decreased by whatever the distance you mill out the bearing cup.
I'm glad we have Mike working this out, I'd never have thought of it!
Quote from: PacRat on May 24, 2016, 04:29:58 AM
Alan,
I'll take photos tomorrow when I have better light. I think this will only be an issue with the Magnums as Sal pointed out. Much tighter quarters inside the 500 size spool flanges. The bevel seems to fix that though. I haven't put one in Tom's 4/0 yet but I plan to. I also plan to put one in a Pro Gear, Damn...I didn't buy enough.
-Mike
You can always get it from SmoothDrag.....
Quote from: David Hall on May 24, 2016, 12:29:54 AM
I was just dry fitting the maingear and checking clearances around the dogs, I noticed when the bridge is placed into the side plate, it does stick up a bit. I don't know that this is going to be an issue but I think I might take your observation and ease the edge of the plate just to see if it sets lower into the sideplate.
First I'm going to check the spool centering in the frame, with the bearings in place and assembled.
Here's the new bridge and gear stack with insert all dry fit.
I moved on to assemble the right side plate. During installing the eccentric spring I had a first ever occurrence, the spring slipped out of my pliers under tension of course and I vaguely caught the blur as it flew up past my face nearly touching the garage ceiling and zipping across the room and hitting a piece of cardboard, hmm fortunately for me there are only 5300 cardboard boxes in my garage, I should locate it by August! Okay time out for me, my mind is muddled and beleive it or not, the doctors have me on a five pound weight restriction, I discovered it takes more than five pounds to compress an eccentric spring and wiggle it into position. Will get back to it later.
And you forgot to buy the stainless steel jack for it.
Hah!
You noticed, I checked your website and couldn't find It?
I had to put the original brass one back in!
Quote from: David Hall on May 24, 2016, 06:24:35 AM
Hah!
You noticed, I checked your website and couldn't find It?
I had to put the original brass one back in!
It is there and under "Penn Senator Custom Part" section.
David,
You want a Jigmaster/112 eccentric jack for a Magnum. I had a brass Jigmaster jack in mine and the tip of the eccentric spring was gouging into the brass jack so I polished the tip of the spring and changed the brass jack for a stainless PC Jigmaster jack and it's nice and smooth now.
-Mike
Alan,
Here's some photos of what I removed to get the double dog bridge to fit a Magnum 500. After this edge was removed everything went together good with no contact or binding. I used PC gears also and they feel great. Nice and tight and getting very quiet. I did use a brass peel shim under the gear-sleeve to tighten up the end-play a bit. This is a little snug right now but I'm anticipating it loosening as it breaks in. If not, I'll peel another layer or polish the bottom of the gear sleeve a little. I'm very satisfied with this little beast. I need to get line on her so I can get some drag numbers. I put Bryan's 7+1 stack in it minus the under-gear washer which I substituted a delrin washer for as per Sal's advice. The only fit issue I had with the gear/drag was that Bryan's eared washers were a bit tight in the PC gear. A couple of quick passes with a stone on the ear tips and they dropped right in.
Okay so here's the photos of the bridge.
You can see just how tight this is in a Jigmaster size reel.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/30/medium_14769_18_11_19_12_06_25_30608893.jpeg) (https://alantani.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30609)
I used black marker so you can see how much material I removed.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/30/medium_14769_18_11_19_12_06_47_306091885.jpeg) (https://alantani.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30610)
I went less than half the thickness of the plate.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/30/medium_14769_18_11_19_12_07_25_306102096.jpeg) (https://alantani.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30611)
Thanks Mike and Alan, I'll get that jack ordered up today.
Mike, what tooling did you use to mill out your bearing pocket?
Thanks for the pictures on bevelling the bridge, simple enough to do on my disc sander.
Quote from: David Hall on May 24, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Thanks Mike and Alan, I'll get that jack ordered up today.
Mike, what tooling did you use to mill out your bearing pocket?
Thanks for the pictures on bevelling the bridge, simple enough to do on my disc sander.
You can always order from SmoothDrag as well.
David,
I'm a little embarrassed to admit this in front of so many talented machinists (Tom, please look the other way). Here's what I did:
(Sorry, there aren't any photos because I didn't want any evidence.) First I purchased a cheap 3/8" four-flute end mill (from China) on eBay. It cost $2 and some pocket-change delivered. I had a couple of carbide end-mills but they were only two-flute and I figured I needed four flutes to help keep everything centered because what I was contemplating was the act of a desperate, godless, butcher but I still had a little nagging faith that was telling me I could pull this off without destroying my one and only Magnum end plate.
I checked and double checked my drill-press table to make certain it was square, Then I secured the plate to a nice flat piece of hardwood on the drill-press table, brought the spindle down and centered the end-mill in the bearing pocket. I then brought the spindle all the way down until the end-mill just touched the bottom of the bearing pocket and set the max depth stop. Next I raised the spindle and loosened the clamp on the end-plate so that I could shim it up by approximately the amount of material that I wanted to remove. I think I used a piece of card stock for the shim. I brought the spindle back down and re-centered and re-clamped the end-plate with the card-stock shim between the end-plate and wood. I put a couple drops of oil on the end-mill, applied light feed with one arm and turned the spindle by hand with the other arm. The aluminum cut like butter and four little ribbons of aluminum spiraled out of the pocket.. It was almost too easy but man was I sweating!
I ended up shimming the bearing pocket a little but McMaster-Carr sells some really nice shims (Type 316 Stainless Steel Round Shim, 0.005" Thick, 1/4" ID, 3/8" OD.) Using the shims I was able to dial in the spool until it's centered nearly perfect.
I'm much happier with the spool centered with no gap. I hope this helps.
-Mike
You are a brave man :)
In recognition of Top Gun 30th Anni this week...."Gutsy move, Mav..."
I was sweating just reading it. those were all class A garage machinist moves that anyone would be proud of Mike.
I am truly impressed, at your approach and your courage!
Quote from: David Hall on May 25, 2016, 07:31:30 AM
I was sweating just reading it. those were all class A garage machinist moves that anyone would be proud of Mike.
I am truly impressed, at your approach and your courage!
What happened ?
I fainted as I was reading his post . . . LOL !
Tight Lines !
Quote from: David Hall on May 24, 2016, 03:33:11 AM
One more view of this little monster. Your basic 50 dollar jigmaster with every upgrade hot rod mod known.
The accurate 4:1 gears are smooth even dry, the double dogs engage beautifully. Alan hit a home run with this new bridge it is well worth the wait. Matched up with his 10 tooth sleeve there is no better aftermarket drop in upgrade.
David, A red clamp will make your reel complete.
Ted
Ted, I almost keyed "report to moderator"...that kind of pic is just not nice; makes people's left eye twitchy around here....
Just kicked the door open to the colored reel vault did ya?
What do you call a gathering of jigmaster magnums?
Quote from: steelhead_killer on June 16, 2016, 04:16:16 AM
Just kicked the door open to the colored reel vault did ya?
You know me Andy,
It is so full it fell open....no need to kick
David, look close at that pic.
2 jig magnums, squidder magnum, 4/0 magnum, and plain old jig 99. ima 3/0 orphan :D
Quote from: thorhammer on June 16, 2016, 04:02:27 AM
Ted, I almost keyed "report to moderator"...that kind of pic is just not nice; makes people's left eye twitchy around here....
You should see my wife, she has permanent twitch in both eyes. Its all my fault. The right eye started twitching when I took over part of her China hutch :D
Quote from: Maxed Out on June 16, 2016, 06:08:53 AM
Quote from: steelhead_killer on June 16, 2016, 04:16:16 AM
Just kicked the door open to the colored reel vault did ya?
You know me Andy,
It is so full it fell open....no need to kick
David, look close at that pic.
2 jig magnums, squidder magnum, 4/0 magnum, and plain old jig 99. ima 3/0 orphan :D
Ted, we can fill that gaping chasm in your Magnum collection in a heartbeat, just say the word.
Randy
[quote/] Ted, we can fill that gaping chasm in your Magnum collection in a heartbeat, just say the word
Randy.[/quote]
here goes Randy..... "The word" .....there, I said it, now what you gonna do ?/ You gonna rub your Jeannie in a bottle and ask her for a 3/0 magnum ?? ;D ;D
You know where to find me if that happens :D :D
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on June 16, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
[quote/] Ted, we can fill that gaping chasm in your Magnum collection in a heartbeat, just say the word
Randy.
here goes Randy.....
"The word" .....there, I said it, now what you gonna do ?/ You gonna rub your Jeannie in a bottle and ask her for a 3/0 magnum ?? ;D ;D
You know where to find me if that happens :D :D
Ted
[/quote]
Ted, the genie is a good friend of mine who has a gold 3/0 Magnum that he says is an 8+. I think that it's probably a wide 3/0 but it might be standard width. I do not know how much he wants, but he's usually pretty reasonable, and I am sure that he would be happy to send you some photos. Is it OK to give him your email address?
On a separate subject, I am shipping your red Tiburon T4N narrow 4/0 frame today. The tracking number is 9400111899563278007679.
Thanks,
Randy
Thanks Randy, I'll keep my eye out for the package.
I'm looking for a shelfie 3/0 magnum. :o :o If it's not a 9.8 or better on your scale, then I'll respectfully decline and wait for better to come along.
Ted
Nice collection Ted. Good luck with the 3/0, I'll keep an eye out.
That's a fleet of beauties alright. I should have looked closer before I spoke, so it's a nearly completed magnum family tree! And they look to be excellent condition each one. You need to find a couple beater magnums so you can hot rod and fish them without losing sleep over scratching one.
Quote from: Maxed Out on June 16, 2016, 11:05:03 PM
Thanks Randy, I'll keep my eye out for the package.
I'm looking for a shelfie 3/0 magnum. :o :o If it's not a 9.8 or better on your scale, then I'll respectfully decline and wait for better to come along.
Ted
Ted, he said that it's an 8+, and I'm sure that it's all of that, but it's not a 9.8 or better. I will keep looking and let you know when I find one.
Randy
Just to see what it would look like I bolted up a standard superjigmaster kit to my magnum plates. We need too light a fire and get these done. A 3" wide jigmaster with all the great 113h upgrades we have available while being able to spool up a substantial amount of 50-60lb mono and make huge drag #'s would make for the ultimate evolution of what these reels can be. If you'd be interested in making the super kit for these happen let Randy know asap, he needs a minimum of 20 to make a run.
Aloha,
Kyle
(http://i.imgur.com/MVnRtbhl.jpg)
much wider than the a 500 width
(http://i.imgur.com/OrHf3nDl.jpg)
1/4" wider than a 113hlw
(http://i.imgur.com/HxwOncZl.jpg)
SS double dog bridge and 4:1 SS gears going in
(http://i.imgur.com/OVZmrCol.jpg)
Adam's excellent drag insert kit, who would've thought this could go into a jigmaster.
(http://i.imgur.com/2dsx0w2l.jpg)
Thanks Yogi. I would love to run these Super Magnum kits with the next production of Super Jigmasters and Newell 808 kits to be shipped in early December. I will need to place the order by the first week of October. I hope that we can make it happen because it would be quite a reel, more castable than anything else that I can think of with this much line capacity.
Randy
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on September 02, 2016, 03:46:12 PM
Thanks Yogi. I would love to run these Super Magnum kits with the next production of Super Jigmasters and Newell 808 kits to be shipped in early December. I will need to place the order by the first week of October. I hope that we can make it happen because it would be quite a reel, more castable than anything else that I can think of with this much line capacity.
Randy
Randy,
Pardon a couple of dumb questions . . .
What does the Super Magnum Kit consist of ?
Frame . . . Sideplates . . . Spool . . . Internals . . . A Complete Reel ?
Projected cost ?
Thanks !
Dave
Dave, the Super Magnum kit consists of a silver Tiburon frame, spool and rod clamp kit to fit Accurate Jigmaster Magnum side plates. It is possible that Cortez Conversions might at some point in the future consider making a run of side plates to fit this kit. If I can order 30 kits, I can sell them for $195 delivered to anywhere in the USA, the same price as the Super Jigmaster 500 and 505HS and Newell 808 kits. Tiburon seemed reluctant to consider running less than 30, but it's possible that if I can come close, they would run them at a higher unit cost, and I would estimate that would increase my selling price by approximately $30. If we can make it happen, I would consider taking a limited number of standard Jigmaster Magnum frames and spools in partial trade for the Super Magnum kits so that my customers would not get stuck with them.
Thanks,
Randy
I'm good for one!
Quote from: Vintage Offshore Tackle on September 02, 2016, 05:06:50 PM
Dave, the Super Magnum kit consists of a silver Tiburon frame, spool and rod clamp kit to fit Accurate Jigmaster Magnum side plates. It is possible that Cortez Conversions might at some point in the future consider making a run of side plates to fit this kit. If I can order 30 kits, I can sell them for $195 delivered to anywhere in the USA, the same price as the Super Jigmaster 500 and 505HS and Newell 808 kits. Tiburon seemed reluctant to consider running less than 30, but it's possible that if I can come close, they would run them at a higher unit cost, and I would estimate that would increase my selling price by approximately $30. If we can make it happen, I would consider taking a limited number of standard Jigmaster Magnum frames and spools in partial trade for the Super Magnum kits so that my customers would not get stuck with them.
Thanks,
Randy
Randy,
Is there a reliable source for Magnum Jigmaster sideplates ?
Dave
There is no current manufacturer of magnum plates or spools.
Those that are shown here are from the past manufactured by Accurate reel before they started making reels.
They haven't been made for 30 years.
Quote from: David Hall on September 03, 2016, 12:41:30 AM
There is no current manufacturer of magnum plates or spools.
Those that are shown here are from the past manufactured by Accurate reel before they started making reels.
They haven't been made for 30 years.
If, and when, Cortez Conversions makes sideplates available, count me in.
Otherwise, I can't pull the trigger and then have to start chasing "unicorn" sideplates.
Dave
Just scored a 99 jigmaster magnum but the narrower spool isn't that ideal for baitcasting here in Hawaii. Anyone interested in trading their 500 width spool and frame for a red 99 spool and frame? Will post pics later today but know that it is used and in nice shape.
Hope this is an appropriate place to post this request.
Quote from: timtastic on September 18, 2016, 12:41:19 AM
Just scored a 99 jigmaster magnum but the narrower spool isn't that ideal for baitcasting here in Hawaii. Anyone interested in trading their 500 width spool and frame for a red 99 spool and frame? Will post pics later today but know that it is used and in nice shape.
Hope this is an appropriate place to post this request.
Can you post a picture of the reel ??
Ted
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q576/timber1211/79c7d212-c831-44ca-bfaf-2ac906515f6f_zpszdeq0f1p.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/timber1211/media/79c7d212-c831-44ca-bfaf-2ac906515f6f_zpszdeq0f1p.jpg.html)
There are some small nicks on the foot of the frame and as you can see, the accurate logo is gone. The spool is clean and spins true.
Tim,
I'd be interested in buying the frame and spool. I wish I had something to trade that would fit but mine is also a 99 width.
I'll take a look tomorrow after work and see what I have to swap.
Anybody have an standard width Accurate Jigmaster Magnum spool in black or purple that they would trade for a red magnum spool, standard width?
Not really the right place for this but I found this on BloodyDecks with 5 fully Accurate/tiburon reels for sale and thought I'd pass it on...
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/accuplates-tiburon-reels.641471/
I have a set of 5 red accuplates reels with Tiburon frames and Pro gear handles. All the reels are in good working condition but the 500 magnum could use service. They all have the old owners name on them and he used them for long range. They all had every possible upgrades done to them including upgraded drags and they all have the highest speed gears availible. Asking 1000obo for the lot of 5
1- accuplates 6/0 narrow high speed gears. Tiburon frame, all accuplates parts $290
1- accuplates 4/0 narrow high speed gears. Tiburon frame, pro gear handles, all other parts are accurate $250
1-accuplates 500, 99 size. Tiburon frame and spool. pro gear handles, all other parts are accurate $200obo
1- accuplates penn 500 magnum. 4/0 gears, tiburon frame, pro gear handles, all other parts are accurate $350
1-accuplates squidder 146 tiburon frame, pro gear handles, all other parts are accurate $200obo
I know, last year's thread, but thought I'd bring it back up, cause look what I found!!! pretty stoked 8) , I had been intrigued by these reels in the past, and passed on a few, regrettably, but just recently this came up. if I was to order one up, this would be it, black in 99 size. very nice shape with a few scratches and dings. now to order up some goodies, and bring her up to current standards.
She's a real beauty! The Scratches and dings are a bonus because you won't be shy about fishing her. Great find.
Mike
That's a great find alright. I will be fishing albacore with mine this year.
Wow, the 99 Magnum is no easy find and you got it for decent price too......what a great score Steve !!! Looks like you'll be needing a black shift lever. ;) :D
-Ted
Quote from: PacRat on July 20, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
She's a real beauty! The Scratches and dings are a bonus because you won't be shy about fishing her. Great find.
Mike
my thoughts exactly, though I wouldn't have to spend $$ on upgrades to set it on a shelf. these reels were built to fish!
Quote from: Maxed Out on July 20, 2017, 05:58:52 PM
Wow, the 99 Magnum is no easy find and you got it for decent price too......what a great score Steve !!! Looks like you'll be needing a black shift lever. ;) :D
-Ted
right again on both counts. one of your upcoming handle assy's in black sure would go great too 8)
That 99 magnum is in great shape! In that condition if the price is right just pull the trigger, you already know they're few and far between. With all the great upgrades we have here you'll have quite a little power house, maybe with an SS double dog bridge and gears? Can't forget one of Ted's shift levers in black. With any of the 113h drag kits I'm pretty sure due to the shorter spool height it'll be making even more drag than usual. I still need to fish my gold 99 magnum on a boat trip....
Aloha,
Kyle
(http://i.imgur.com/tKxtjux.jpg)
Teds lever sure sets them apart doesn't it.
Nice reels guys,
DaBigOno started this thread.
What happened to that guy?
He started more than a thread, he gave me magnumitis! It's incurable. I'm not the only one either.
If anyone with Magnumitis can use a red 500 Magnum or a black Squidder 140 Magnum, I would love to sell them. Shoot me a PM or call me at 805.748.9202. I am open to trades for Newells or old Trinidads or ?
Thanks,
Randy
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 22, 2017, 05:04:42 AM
Nice reels guys,
DaBigOno started this thread.
What happened to that guy?
Hey buddy,
I got sick and had to get out of the game for awhile.
Thanks for asking. Take care!
I hope you are recovered and back in the game now. Take care.
Glad everything is Ok now Al.
Good to see you,
Daron
It never ends, after searching and searching I found a nice 99 size magnum spool, actually Randy found it for me. Then I found a really clean jiggly with perfect 99 frame and clamp. All the usual upgraded internals.
New set of accurate gears NOS from Dom, DD bridge from AC, the chiefs SS sleeve, Adams insert, Adams counter balanced handle, Adams Star, Ted's shift lever and Lou's knob. Hope I didn't leave anyone out? Oops I did, Toms knurled bearing cup! None of this would have been possible without these incredible parts provided by the Ohana. And finally it is finished.
Beautiful reel, red and black is a great combination.
now that's a Purdy reel!!! lou's knobs are artwork.
They really do raise the bar don't they. We are so lucky here to have all these creative talented people dedicated to improving these old reels. I'm hoping this one becomes my go to reel for all fishing in the Monterey Bay. Salmon, rockfish, tuna.
Beauty and power all wrapped up in small package, awesome!
Sweet Jesus......you mean there's a 113h in that little reel ??
That's like putting a big block motor in a golf cart.....amazing !!
Ted you have been inside these reels more than I have, it does indeed have a 113h inside, but not an ordinary 113h, it's the latest greatest version of Sals tank! No mere mortal 113h can compare. I don't know what kind of drag numbers I'm going to get with Adams Insert. I will have to wait until I load it full of 80lb braid and give it a test I expect it will come in somewhere around 50# max maybe a bit more but I plan to run it at 2-12lbs for most of my local fishing. 15-20 when I take it to Mexico.
Beautiful little tank Dave! These reels were way ahead of their time, pre-dated braid being widely used right? I don't think anyone could make me part ways with my modded 99 magnum. I'd guess if Adam's insert tested 50lbs on a tall 113H spool it would be an even higher number on a shorter jigmaster spool. After putting all the aftermarket goodies there isn't really an off the shelf reel that comes close to a reel that's what, 20 years old?
I cleared this post with Dave Hall in advance so please don't think that I am hijacking this thread. I have a pair of red Jigmaster 500 Magnums that I would like to sell.
The reel with the Accurate power handle is a 9. It would be a 10 were it not for a few very small marks on the edge of the left side plate and a ding where the eccentric lever knob hits the top of the right side plate in the "in gear" position. I will install a sleeve on the eccentric lever knob to prevent any damage in the future. The graphics on the frame have been removed (and yes, I know that the frame is backwards).
The one with the Pro Gear power handle and Pro Gear eccentric lever is an 8 with some heavy scratches on the top of the left side plate and a scrape on the edge of the right side plate, which you can see just in front of the eccentric lever in the photo below. The graphics on the left side plate and the frame have been removed, and the original owner scratched his name onto the bottom of the foot.
Both reels have matching red Accurate spools and Accurate stainless 4:1 113H gears. You can subtract $35 from the following prices if I can keep the gears and give you stock 3.25:1 Penn gears in their place (but I am not going to install them because I am mechanically challenged). The 9 is $335 and the 8 is $275, or take them both for $550 (or $480 with the Penn gears instead of the Accurates). Shipping to anywhere in the USA including Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, etc., would be $12 for Priority Mail with tracking for one or both, or less than that if you are in or near California. The Accurate reel bags are included.
I also have a black Squidder 140 Magnum with a very rare set of Accurate stainless 5:1 gears for sale.
If you might be interested, you can PM me or email to rfpauly@aol.com or text or call at 805.748.9202. If you are OK with these prices, I would be happy to take a set of good close up photos for your review.
Thanks,
Randy
I'm still keeping hopes up one day the Magnum Superjig will happen! Compact reel that can fish 50-60lb mono but with the power of a 113h.....game changer!
Quote from: Yogi_fish808 on November 06, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
I'm still keeping hopes up one day the Magnum Superjig will happen! Compact reel that can fish 50-60lb mono but with the power of a 113h.....game changer!
It will happen Kyle! ;D
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 06, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: Yogi_fish808 on November 06, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
I'm still keeping hopes up one day the Magnum Superjig will happen! Compact reel that can fish 50-60lb mono but with the power of a 113h.....game changer!
It will happen Kyle! ;D
Isn't it a super Squidder ?
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 06, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
It will happen Kyle! ;D
when this guy says something like that, we better keep watching him closely
Quote from: steelfish on November 07, 2017, 02:23:42 AM
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 06, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
It will happen Kyle! ;D
when this guy says something like that, we better keep watching him closely
Whoa....damn right if Tom says it will happen I'm paying attention.
2018 will bring a lot of new products. Where the Magnums are on that list I don't know, but they are on the list.
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on November 08, 2017, 01:15:51 AM
2018 will bring a lot of new products. Where the Magnums are on that list I don't know, but they are on the list.
Im waiting for the 113h magnums :o :o
but afraid those might sent my Baja Special reel to the bench :P
I want to see a W-I-D-E Magnum 113H with 114H internals, double dogs ( synchronized, not alternating ), sleeve, etc, etc, etc . . .
The only thing I ask is that it DOES NOT have those "stubby" little feet on the Reel Foot ( like Accurate & Tiburon frames do ) They never fit the hoods on reel seats correctly.
Give us a strong, substantial reel foot, PLEASE !
Tight Lines !
I just read this entire thread and just have one word to say, WOW!
and look what I found on ebay, don't want it, but thought someone in here might...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSTOM-BUILT-LEFT-HANDED-PENN-JIGMASTER-500-WITH-ACCURATE-MAGNUM-KIT-AWESOME/142936539206?hash=item2147ae8046:g:G-wAAOSwSz1az669
Quote from: Darin Crofton on September 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
and look what I found on ebay, don't want it, but thought someone in here might...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSTOM-BUILT-LEFT-HANDED-PENN-JIGMASTER-500-WITH-ACCURATE-MAGNUM-KIT-AWESOME/142936539206?hash=item2147ae8046:g:G-wAAOSwSz1az669
Hmm...this or a little more for a Makaira 16II?
Quote from: Porthos on September 22, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on September 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
and look what I found on ebay, don't want it, but thought someone in here might...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSTOM-BUILT-LEFT-HANDED-PENN-JIGMASTER-500-WITH-ACCURATE-MAGNUM-KIT-AWESOME/142936539206?hash=item2147ae8046:g:G-wAAOSwSz1az669
Hmm...this or a little more for a Makaira 16II?
I know what Alan would do. What would Wai do?
Steve
Quote from: swill88 on September 22, 2018, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Porthos on September 22, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on September 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
and look what I found on ebay, don't want it, but thought someone in here might...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSTOM-BUILT-LEFT-HANDED-PENN-JIGMASTER-500-WITH-ACCURATE-MAGNUM-KIT-AWESOME/142936539206?hash=item2147ae8046:g:G-wAAOSwSz1az669
Hmm...this or a little more for a Makaira 16II?
I know what Alan would do. What would Wai do?
Steve
Yeah, after the 113H one piece frame is done, Magnum 500/501 one piece frame will be started
Quote from: swill88 on September 22, 2018, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: Porthos on September 22, 2018, 12:17:32 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on September 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
and look what I found on ebay, don't want it, but thought someone in here might...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSTOM-BUILT-LEFT-HANDED-PENN-JIGMASTER-500-WITH-ACCURATE-MAGNUM-KIT-AWESOME/142936539206?hash=item2147ae8046:g:G-wAAOSwSz1az669
Hmm...this or a little more for a Makaira 16II?
Prices on these reels has gotten out of control, I saw a 4/0 kit (NOS) sell for over $700.
You would be better suited with the Makaira 16.
I know what Alan would do. What would Wai do?
Steve
I still don't understand this reel. If there is anything needed for a Jigmaster it is a 6:1 gear set. A magnum 500 is a max 4:1 reel. All the beefed up parts available today make a500 as strong as you can make it.
The Squidder Magnum, with 5:1 gears, that reel makes a lot of sense.
A taller gear for a squidder would be nice.
Higher gear ratio while fine for fast retrieve. I really appreciate this reel for bottom fishing or trolling for salmon with 2lbs of lead behind it. The ratio is perfect.
Quote from: swill88 on September 22, 2018, 03:12:50 PM
I know what Alan would do. What would Wai do?
Steve
Makaira...more utility and the frame is nowhere near as rare as the Magnum.
....or just grab a pro gear 541. It is a ball bearing jigmaster Magnum with 4/1 gears and one piece frame and all Penn 113h internals. Decent used one can easily be found for under $125.
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 23, 2018, 12:22:54 AM
....or just grab a pro gear 541. It is a ball bearing jigmaster Magnum with 4/1 gears and one piece frame and all Penn 113h internals. Decent used one can easily be found for under $125.
I have five 541's, two 441's and a 454. All are getting fully updated with all the SS internals and killer drags from off this site. Plus I'm building the yts I got from you, Ted. This is fun!
David,
I here you on the slow speed, I really like it for live bait presentations.
What about a fully built SurfMaster 250? Nice, slow speed; Bryan can get you all the drag you want and the gear sleeve, handles and frames are all available.
Ron
Weight-wise, a JM 500 Magnum I have may even beat an almost completely modded 113H(TN4 frame, C.C. Plates, etc.)by a couple a ounces. The most significant diffrences for me would line capacity(500 Magnum< 113H)and profile(the 113H has a higher profile and is a little more clumsy to handle).
I fished a 506 JM(5:1), side-by-side with a Squidder(3:1?)yesterday. Just reeling in my rigs surprised me at how much more effort it took to crank in the 506. Crankin in the 506 with a big trolling deep-diver was the same as reeling in a pan size Snapper on the Squidder.
I used a Surfmaster in Moro Bay, same conclusion. I like the slow speed. That's why I think a built 250, probably narrowed some, would be the business.
Ron
Quote from: Ron Jones on September 23, 2018, 03:34:30 AM
David,
I here you on the slow speed, I really like it for live bait presentations.
What about a fully built SurfMaster 250? Nice, slow speed; Bryan can get you all the drag you want and the gear sleeve, handles and frames are all available.
Ron
Exactly, I don't know if there are any frame upgrades to fit that reel? but internally you can beef it up and make a very good serviceable reel that's comfortable to fish heavy bottom gear.
Any frame that fits a Jigmaster will fit a Surfmaster 250. The thing to find is the spool, I believe the pinion is different than a 500.
Ron
pinion and the spools are interchangeable.