Hi all, I have a pro Max 8 bearing reel, It has a switch on the top right hand side when mounted on the rod, the switch, operates good pivots forward for on, but I can not fathom out what it actually does when it is on.
a story on this reel, a mate dropped of a green cabbage crate here, that was half full of reels, this pro Max was with them, when I pressed the leaver into free spool, the free spool was working okay, but when I turnt the handle, it appeared to be jumping the cogs, the free spool lever was not fully returning to drive area, but with a little thin oil, & scraping away red mud & grit, it started to retract okay, hence the reel working good, on the foot it has a very small sticker, with made in China, also another sticker with M9 on it, then the model & date sticker of when the reel was made, 18 02 19 50/BD, the switch on the right top is what I am really wanting info about thank, cheers Don.
Sounds like flipping mode for bass fishing.
Could be for Flipping Mode .
Thats when it is engaged you can not push the Lever down to disengage the Pinion completely but just for dropping line out .
Note*** Didn't mean to over run you Swami805 ,guess we were posting at the same time .
Okay thanks men, cheers Don.
Put up a photo if you can Don! I have/had several of these reels, the round black/pro max's from the 90's, and have never seen any switch on the handle side.
Cheers,
Andrew
Tanks Andrew, Ruffy, I have sent you a message, I had a little play with the switch this morning, If that switch is on, & you press the leaver for casting-free spool, as you wind the handle the lever returns to the top, if the switch is off the leaver only returns 2/3 of the way, then it starts jumping the cogs.
I am about to strip it the next day or two, I may taulk to my old mate Wayne to post some pics then, hope he is in a good mood, cheers Don.
Hi Wayne,
that post about the Ambassadeur Pro Max reel I have on the forum could you please post these pics in it for me, some of the members are requesting the,
plus two more thanks
cheers Don.
Here you Don!!!! Wayne
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Wayne
Don ,I think you may have things back wards on this reel on the On /Off engagement functions
I have NOT SEEN the PRO 8 with the switch on top on the Right either however it does mean they don't have em...lol
The XLT series have a Switch like this but it is for a clicker function and the Free Spool Lever will move all the way down in either On or Off.
The Fact you say your Reel only allows the Lever to move partially down in one of the positions tells me it is a Flipping Mode .
Try this ; Put the Switch in the Position where it only allows the Free Spool Lever to partially move down and see if the Spool is in Free Spool .
You have my e-mail and I would be Happy to post pix for you when Wayne is not available .
Very Good Wayne thanks again, you look after me man.
Okay Billy, when the switch is in the of position, you can get the free spool lever half way down, & it free spools, if you turn the handle, it wont engage, but the line level still moves
if you have the switch on, then the free spool lever will only go right down, & engages as soon as you turn the handle, also in that position, there seems to be some restriction with the free spool.
It is forcast to rain the next day or two, so I will strip it then, then we will see what it does, thats if I ever get it together again.
I service the 5000C that I got from Alan, that went back together okay.
Not bad for a reel from the rubbish tip, all the rods were on the tip to, cheers Don.
Post some pix of the Guts on the Handle side or send em to me when you get time . I still think it is a Flip Switch . ???
don't know what each manufacturer considers ON/OFF... educated guess:
in CASTING switch position, rear spool release goes down & stays down until you crank handle
in FLIP/PITCH switch position, you hold rear spool release down for freespool &
it springs back up WITHOUT cranking handle, to re-engage A/R
if freespool feels different/restricted in casting mode, prob. due to a need for service
Quote from: El Pescador on August 18, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
Hi Wayne,
that post about the Ambassadeur Pro Max reel I have on the forum could you please post these pics in it for me, some of the members are requesting the,
plus two more thanks
cheers Don.
Here you Don!!!! Wayne
Wayne
Beat me to posting these up! This is a different beast to what I was imagining; I was thinking the round reels from the 90's. As for what that switch does, I have no idea!
Cheers,
Andrew
Thank Phil,Billy & Andrew, for your input, I am now trying to dismantle the reel, with some difficult, I have managed to remove the tail plate, but having troublle geting the front plate of, I see on the tail plate side there is a C clip, n a small screw near the line level area, if I remove them, maybe the front plate will part then, I have managed to get some auto trans oil on the shaft near the pinion, I have had pinions before that are corroded on the the spool shaft, I have sent some more pics to Billy, he may place them here or add comments soon, cheers Don.
Here are a couple of Don's pix.
With the way you have it now you should be able to rock that cover back and forth and it should just pull out .Try pushing down on the Sleeve and kinda wiggle the cover back and forth.
The sleeve needs to stay put as well as the Switch . The Sleeve is not holding it from coming off .
Also there may be an Alignment Pin on the bottom and it probably is Grunged up and needs some penetrate on it then light tap it with a small diameter Flat Punch to loosen it .
All the Pro 8's I ever seen here are Black and No Switch. You got a different one for sure.
Don, Here is a Pic of one of My XLT's with the Pin I speak of .
Thanks Billy, as I said I have the 3 screws out of the face plate, the black knob undone, I have removed the tail plate, & serviced all of that part, as you can see, there was a few locating studs on the bottom of the face plate, I cant understand why it wont part, maybe I am to gentle, certainly dont want to break anything, cheers Don.
That's weird. Will the spool move left to right? If not, the spindle/spool shaft might be stuck in the ball bearing inner race.
Quote from: Donnyboat on August 19, 2021, 06:34:31 AM
Thanks Billy, as I said I have the 3 screws out of the face plate, the black knob undone, I have removed the tail plate, & serviced all of that part, as you can see, there was a few locating studs on the bottom of the face plate, I cant understand why it wont part, maybe I am to gentle, certainly dont want to break anything, cheers Don.
Yep ya don't want to get too Rough and bend the metal .
Does it have a C Clip on the end of the Spool on the Handle side ???
And like Steve said the shaft could be stuck in the Bearing .
Thanks Steve Billy, I throught of the pinion rusted to the spool, but there is nothing restricting the pinion, the spool is turning really easy, there is know C clip on the spool shaft, just the normal tension cap, that you can adjust, there is a round washer inside that cap for the spool shaft to pivot against, the there is a bearing, but I have the bearing out, & the bearing in the tail plate side is of off the spool, I have taken the paul out of the line level, & the C clip of off the tail plate side, so there should not be anything stopping the line level shaft from coming out, tel ya, I am getting balled-er, cheers Don.
Yepper it's a Real Hair Puller ...lol
Send me some more Pix of the full side on the Handle side and the other side when you can .
In the mean time Billy, I managed to get a thin screw driver, inside the top of the face plate between the switch & the black knob, still has heaps of pressure on it, I created a gap about 1/34th wide, so I got to thinking concidering the drag was nice & strong & the cogs are working freely, so I blue it out with the air pressure gun, sprayed some lube onto the cogs, then placed it back together, rather than break it, cheers Don.
Billy,I tried to place it back together, but it is turning quite rough, it feels like I blew more sand into the cogs, so I am trying to dismantle it again, I have sent you the pics you have requested, cheers Don. ow I did pull the black nob out with the long SS shaft that holds the tail plate on.
Here are some more from Don
Don,will the spool and shaft come out ???
also I blew this pic up and it looks likethere may be a clip in these places ???
If the spool; and Shaft does not come out then there is your problem .The spool may turn ok but it is on a bearing so .
Yeah, it seems like you should be able to pull the spool out through the tail plate.
You say the ball bearing on the head plate is removed. But the reel will come out of gear (into freespool) so the pinion must be moving on the spool shaft.
The levelwind worm is moving (correct?) so it is not stuck. Is there a clip or something on the levelwind worm preventing it from pulling out of the tail plate side?
So I managed to get it apart & I have sent Billy some pics of it.
Thanks Steve, for your concerns, I had the screw & C clip of off the line level, so there was nothing stopping it from coming apart,
Billy you were on the money, I set the reel up so I could tap the spool out through the tail plate side, once the spool was out, I could see a Phillips head screw holding it together, between the switch & the black knob, undone it & it fell apart.
So I have washed all the parts, ready to place them back together, next post I will give you all a run down on the bearing sizes, cheers Don.
Good for you !
Glad you figured it out.
Here are your latest photo's and man that
thing looks like it has been on the bottom of the ocean a while .
Thanks Billy, not much corrocion more grit than anything.
Okay Bearing sizes, start on the spool shaft, under the tension cap face plate side4x8x3, another bearing inside the drive pin4x10x4, then the last one, tail plate side 3x10x3.
two on the main drive shaft, at the bottom-5x9x3 & the bearing at the top near the dag star-8x14x4 cheers Don.
Once you get your Bearings Strait ;D
You should be Good to Go !!
Once you get to Bering Strait, it's too damn c.c.cold to use a lo-pro ;D
Quote from: philaroman on August 20, 2021, 06:57:04 PM
Once you get to Bering Strait, it's too damn c.c.cold to use a lo-pro ;D
Yep then you will have to do like the Two Moron Aviators and do a 360 and get the Flock out there :o
Ha Haa, I am a jump ahead of you bloke, about 8 months ago, a bloke on the other side of Australia, advertized about 180 bearings for sale, he had been doing up reels most of his life, mostly Mitchells & ABU, including Ambassadeurs, he also said that there was some good second hand bearing there to, anyway he wanted AU $6/bearing, so I told him to itemizes them all, & check out the postage, anyway after a fourtnight or so, he got back to me, it was 2 time consuming to itemize them all, so how about, 180 bearing & he would cover the postage, so I sent him $6/ 180 bearings, turnt out when they arrived, there was about 220 all up, I think I worked it out @ $4/bearing including postage, so I have them laying flat in 2 container with all the sizes, starting from the smallest & so on up, I needed two new bearings for this reel, & shore enough I had them in stock, I have done up about 50 reels this year for resale, any bearing I have needed I have had them in stock, keep well cheers Don.
Quote from: Donnyboat on August 20, 2021, 11:56:21 AM
Billy you were on the money, I set the reel up so I could tap the spool out through the tail plate side, once the spool was out, I could see a Phillips head screw holding it together, between the switch & the black knob, undone it & it fell apart.
cheers Don.
Well Steve said it first ;I just said it differently ....lol
Quote from: oc1 on August 19, 2021, 06:49:27 AM
That's weird. Will the spool move left to right? If not, the spindle/spool shaft might be stuck in the ball bearing inner race.
Yes Billy, I have it back together now, I was a bit concerned for a moment, I had the tension cap a bit to tight, & it was`nt winding very free, once I adjusted the cap it is running really smooth.
now back to the switch, when it is on, or forward, the free spool lever just springs back up, when the switch is off, the lever stays down in free spool, till you turn the handle.
Getting back to the bearings, its nice to have them on hand, save ording them, the waiting a couple of weeks for them, Out of that lot I replast bearing in Penn international 50, & two speed 80, some of the boxes with one bearing in it, have prices on them @ $22/bearing, I am now searching for a larger handle, I think I may have one out of the gear my mate brought of off the rubbish tip, I had to do some panel beating on it , keep well cheers Don.