For local rockcod, 30#-50# braid or 20-30# mono are the most common due to California's depth we are restricted to.
My recent rockcod rig is a Abu 6500C3, 20# braid, mated with a Lamiglas Inshore Rod with roller guides. If I'm on the side of the boat that is away from the drift, I normally fish with 3-4 oz jigs so my line scope is twice that of others on the boat, and I have never got tangled, but have been awarded with some prized fish. If I'm on the side that we are moving in the drift (where most lines end up under the boat, I can switch to 6-8 oz jig and will be fishing almost straight up and down while other fishing with 10-12 weight for the same scope under the boat. Lighter weight allows me to feel the fish better. Most fun, and most successful with this set-up than any others I have tried. Note, it's not the reel, but the line size that you use that will affect how you feel the bite, how quickly the jig gets down and how the scope of the line is controlled with lighter jigs.
Bryan
Quote from: El Pescador on March 08, 2013, 12:56:48 AM
Brian,
Do you tie the jig directly to the 20# braid, or use a short piece of Mono as a top shot??
My go-to-reel for rockcod is a reel sweetheart: Daiwa Sealine 27H, and now that Keta fixed the handle, it is a rockcod pulling machine with Smoooooth drags!!
I have a Daiwa Luna 253 reel, with 30# braid I've used on Kodiak Island for Silver Salmon and Stripped Bass in the San Joaquin Delta, might use this reel on my next Rockcod trip out of Half Moon Bay.
Dom, the office has scheduled our annual rockcod fishing day, and has chartered a boat for Friday, Aug. 9, want to go along? And catch Bait?? Let me know.
Wayne
Quote from: Pescachaser on March 08, 2013, 01:21:12 AM
Quote from: El Pescador on March 08, 2013, 12:56:48 AM
Dom, the office has scheduled our annual rockcod fishing day, and has chartered a boat for Friday, Aug. 9, want to go along? And catch Bait?? Let me know. Wayne
Yes I will go but I have to admit I will be embarrassed if you use a Daiwa reel. Folks, I have been trying to convert Wayne to Penn reels but he will only use them for big game fishing. Fly fisherman aargh. Dominick
Ok. This is how I rig for rock cod.
I tie a Bimini in my main line (braid) to form a loop.
I make a 4 foot leader with a perfection loop at the end with 20#, 30#, 40#, or 50# mono and the loop is sleeved with small heat shrink tube to reinforce the connection since braid can easily cut through mono. Then leader is connected to the braid by a loop to loop connection. Then at the loose end of the leader, I tie a snap swivel so that I can quickly change jigs. And last, about 2-3 feet above the jig, I tie in a short leader hook/shrimp fly or a light jig. It appears that the shrimp fly is running from the jig, and that hook usually gets hit first. I'll take some pics and will post when I get back on line some my photo bucket app is of no use.
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Bryan
Quote from: bluefish69 on March 08, 2013, 05:44:27 PM
We use Albright Knots here in N Y. Easier to tie with passengers lined up with tangles. I never had a knot slip. YET
What size hooks are in the Fly?
Quote from: bluefish69 on March 08, 2013, 05:44:27 PM
We use Albright Knots here in N Y. Easier to tie with passengers lined up with tangles. I never had a knot slip. YET
What size hooks are in the Fly?
So that is the name of that knot. I too use an Albright.
Our rock cod have huge mouths, so the hook size really doesn't matter all that much if it's on the larger size. I normally start out with a 2/0 and may switch to a 4/0 or 5/0 hook. I like to use Owner's Spinnerbait Hooks due to a relatively long shank and especially the cutting point. It is common that I hook the fish in the jaw bone and does not work itself out. The problem is unhooking afterwards though. Takes me a bit longer, but I can live with that for a prized fish.
What is the max depth you can fish?
240 feet, but often we are fishing in less than 100 feet.
Do you get many Klingons (large lingcod that bite and hang on to the rockfish)
Hi haven't gotten any Klingons. All my lings were taken on the chaser hook (the one on the top). Last year, 4 trips, 6 lings, 3 keepers.
Quote from: Keta on March 08, 2013, 09:23:31 PM
Do you get many Klingons (large lingcod that bite and hang on to the rockfish)
Klingons, great name did you coin the name for large lings hooking up on rockfish? (I know where the original Klingon comes from). Dominick
Quote from: Keta on March 08, 2013, 09:23:31 PM
Do you get many Klingons (large lingcod that bite and hang on to the rockfish)
No, but I get dingle berries :-[
;D
I like the way you said large hooks. 4/0 & 5/0 is not large. We use 7,8, 9 & 10/0 for Blue Fish. Owner Hooks are maybe the best on the market but they are about a half size smaller than Mustard Hooks for the same size.
Ever try tubes with Limerick Hooks as teasers or on the bottom on a Diamond Jig.
I got some tubes to try, but lost them among my fishing stuff. So using mostly 6" bass curly tails.
Quote from: Pescachaser on March 09, 2013, 12:34:08 AM
Klingons, great name did you coin the name for large lings hooking up on rockfish? (I know where the original Klingon comes from). Dominick
Yup, it made the clients laugh. We get a lot of them when fishing deep rockfish.
Quote from: johndtuttle on March 09, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
No, but I get dingle berries ;D
Those Klingons hang out around Uranus.
Hi Brian
Yeah my go-to rig is the "teaser" and had some success with long black bass worms with curly tail (I am sure there is a shorter name for it) and a regular 4-6 oz diamond jig at the bottom (with reflective tape). Also been trying glow in the dark "gizzits" as teasers and browns seem to love it. One question for you: Been using mainly flourocarbon, mostly for "stiffness" do think it makes too much difference compared to mono at <120 ft?
and yes, klingon is pretty funny ;D
Take care and looking forward for more discussion and fishing
Quote from: johndtuttle on March 09, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
No, but I get dingle berries ;D
Those Klingons hang out around Uranus.
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Lee that is very funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Pescachaser on March 09, 2013, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: johndtuttle on March 09, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
No, but I get dingle berries ;D
Those Klingons hang out around Uranus.
Lee that is very funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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In the northern area of the coast around Trinidad, we're limited to 120 feet, but because the current is so strong, I use a 4-6 ounce jig or sinker. And my mono is 20-pound because with the drift my scope goes way up with 30-pound.
No Klingons (hitchhikers) yet.
ahem.....
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 08, 2013, 07:12:24 PM
240 feet, but often we are fishing in less than 100 feet.
Brian, are you sure about this depth? I thought we had to stay inside the 30 fathom mark which is 180 feet. I don't want you or anyone, to get cited for fishing too deep. Dominick
I just added a diagram of my rigging.
Where Bryan?
nevermind just saw it ;D... let me go home and then post some questions...
Bryan,
Quite a rig. Never thought of getting that involved. I just tie a perfection loop with a tag long enough to keep the bait out of the garbage at the bottom with an appropriately weighted sinker on it and slide a hook on the loop. If it is legal I will use two loops. A herring goes on the hook and I catch dinner.
Funny, I have done that all over the planet and it always works.
This is my most effective deep water method, but my favorite is pipe jigs, always amazes me when a copper pipe catches fish.
Ron
Hi Ron,
Copper pipe works great because it produces a slight amount of electricity that is common to bait fish. I thought about making a bunch, but it is bad for coral reefs.
Huh,
Never thought about using them out here, I always use them in ugly deep water.
By the way, the bite is on out here. I'm fishin at Iroquois Point and the papio and oio are everywhere. Buddies kid caught am 8 pound oio on 12 pound spinning gear...HOLD ON FOR YOUR LIFE!! Whippin, dunkin, don't matter it's working.
Ron
Hi Bryan
About the snap swivel connection to the jig... I read somewhere and talked to some people, that suggested instead of using the snap swivel to actually just set them in a loop so they flutter more freely while coming down. It makes sense when you look at the huge welded rings in the candy bars but havent thought about it for regular diamond jigs (or bars) what do you think?
Juan
My snap swivels are rated #200. Their fairly large snapping onto jump rings. There are plenty of freedom for the lure to flutter.
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I posted this in the post with my description, but you would need to go to page one, so here it is.