Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on October 04, 2014, 07:56:23 PM

Title: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 04, 2014, 07:56:23 PM
I have collected about enough Senators that will last my Family the next ten Generations. ;D
Time to start something new while they are still available. I bought a sweet 9500 last year that Sal tipped me off to. Lets get started! ;)
This 9500 has the Brass gears and very little wear.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4393/35917747723_e87c4c82ef_b.jpg)
I Replace the Teflon washer with a 6-60 CF as Sal did in his tutorial. Put Cal's on the 6-60 and the single drag washer. looks like it is glued to the assembly. I will leave that alone. ;)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4397/36680673846_7257668d30_b.jpg)
Where all the Magic Happens. Under the rotor. I just greased this up. I tried to put Adam's Titanium ratchet and dogs in, but I couldn't make the spring work and my Son wasn't letting me concentrate.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4384/36331549230_12ab5b2eb1_b.jpg)
Ready for final buttoning. All Honey grease removed. Penn Blue to the rescue. ;)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4440/36727268925_75938a61de_b.jpg)
I forgot to take a shot with all the parts laid out. These are really easy to work on.
My 7500 arrived as I was working on the 9500. It looks like it just came out of the box! ;D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4357/36557441552_2206987a05_b.jpg)
I was worried if it had brass gears or aluminum. YES! Brass it is! These are impossible to find new.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/36680755316_9a3577095f_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: handi2 on October 04, 2014, 11:17:21 PM
I have used, bought, and sold so many of these reels I can't remember..!! I do have a mint 9500SS in the box.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Three se7ens on October 04, 2014, 11:40:05 PM
I'm working on a solution to the spring not working on the upper dog on the 9500ss. 

In the mean time, I had a customer send me a picture of the engagement of a stock silent dog with my 16t ratchet.  It fits better than I expected, and would likely function well under normal use.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on October 05, 2014, 12:05:16 AM
I didn't try Adam's parts yet, what's the problem with the spring? I thought we had that covered.
These are still doing just fine, they were Justin's idea and I've been using them ever since with no issues.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6682.msg56801#msg56801

Sal
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on October 05, 2014, 12:14:17 AM
Nice reel, I have been hunting high and low for a 9500 but prices have sky rocket lately. If you get the titanium in and working please let us know how it works. I have stainless steel 16 tooth in my 750 and was debating if i needed the titanium upgrade.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Three se7ens on October 05, 2014, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: cwillis85 on October 05, 2014, 12:14:17 AM
Nice reel, I have been hunting high and low for a 9500 but prices have sky rocket lately. If you get the titanium in and working please let us know how it works. I have stainless steel 16 tooth in my 750 and was debating if i needed the titanium upgrade.

You won't gain much from my titanium 16 tooth kit over a stainless one.  My parts are cut very accurately, and the mounting holes for the dogs have been precision reamed for the best fit.  But the felt difference when fishing probably won't be much.

The spring issue applies only to the 9500ss, as it doesn't have the support for a spring on the upper dog.  I'm working on a new spring for the 9500ss models, and I'll be send them out to anyone who purchased a 9500ss kit as soon as I have them.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on October 05, 2014, 12:34:46 AM
Nice job on that reel Daron, be careful they multiply like rabbits ;D

Quote from: cwillis85
link=topic=11837.msg115075#msg115075 date=1412468057

Nice reel, I have been hunting high and low for a 9500 but prices have sky rocket lately. If you get the titanium in and working please let us know how it works. I have stainless steel 16 tooth in my 750 and was debating if i needed the titanium upgrade.
We've been working on an upgrade for that reel for some time now, if it is possible and would happens, the 9500 will really sky rocket...we'll see.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on October 05, 2014, 12:48:21 AM
Guess i better find one soon then. Been trying to find a used one that need a little work to keep the price lower, no luck.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Cone on October 05, 2014, 12:53:51 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on October 05, 2014, 12:34:46 AM
Nice job on that reel Daron, be careful they multiply like rabbits ;D

Quote from: cwillis85
link=topic=11837.msg115075#msg115075 date=1412468057

Nice reel, I have been hunting high and low for a 9500 but prices have sky rocket lately. If you get the titanium in and working please let us know how it works. I have stainless steel 16 tooth in my 750 and was debating if i needed the titanium upgrade.
We've been working on an upgrade for that reel for some time now, if it is possible and would happens, the 9500 will really sky rocket...we'll see.

Nice reel Daron. I'm sure you will like it.  I hope Sal is wrong for once.  ;) ;D I have a set of brand new 9500ss brass gears that have never been in a reel. I've been looking for another 9500ss myself. My son has two and I have one. I need to get another one just to stay even.  ;)  ;D  Bob
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 15, 2014, 04:37:13 AM
Got my hands on a 550 this evening. I see what all the hype is about. This reel is heavy for its size and you can tell it means business. ;)
The bearings finally came for my barnacle covered 4500.
So, I know have a 9500,7500,6500,550,450,430 and 420 ss. ;)
I Think the 440 is going to be the tough one. ::)
Just like rabbits Sal. :D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 15, 2014, 05:47:56 PM
It felt a little sluggish. Its only 2 in the morning. Lets take this apart. :P
The first thing I notice is the main gear. Seems like it has a lot more teeth than the other ss spinners I've taken apart. Looks like it just needs a cleaning.
All Done, Much smoother. ;) Just need to check the drags.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: foakes on October 15, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
Sometimes too much grease in these Penn spinners, will slow them down.

You need to determine the fine line for yourself -- operation vs. speed vs. protection...

And, grease does get everywhere inside the gear body case -- but you might try to keep it off of the spool shaft and anti-reverse mechanism, if possible -- by being specific and a little more sparingly applied.  Use oil on the spool shaft.

Again, not one size fits all -- personal preference and usage is key.

Nice job!

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 15, 2014, 08:18:26 PM
I know I overdo it on the grease Fred. It still feels a lot better than it did. It was sluggish before because the grease had gummed up and hardened. The last piece I put in the the spool shaft and put some reel X on it. I use it on the under rotor parts too. I love that stuff. ;D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: foakes on October 15, 2014, 09:02:31 PM
You are using good Marine grease (salt water resistant) and good oil with the ReelX.

Personally, in the salt, I would rather have my reel a little over-greased -- because the protection is more important than the speed.  And the grease you are using will not gum up.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 16, 2014, 05:45:29 PM
I'm not impressed with these tiny drag washers in such a heavy reel. That's a 6-60 in the middle. I am already thinking of going with hex drag washers. Better order an extra spool shaft now. ::)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Doug on October 16, 2014, 09:59:48 PM
Daron I have used these reels for years since they first came out. The 550ss is a good spinner used within its specs If you put size aside  the weakness is in the aluminum gears especially the  cross wind gear. I have had the cross wind gear strip faster than corn thru a goose on just  a few 15lb blue fish. I would try it with all cf washers first you might be surprised on how much usable drag you get. Like everything else a lot depends on how you fish, I am impatient and I guess I tried  to horse the fish in before its tired out.  Fred and Sal are my experts I am sure they can give some good advise  Nice job on rebuild.  If you are looking for a tank in 550ss size take a look at a 712z Doug
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 16, 2014, 10:30:10 PM
Thanks for the tip Doug. I forgot about the aluminum gears in this one. I better leave it stock. I did put the stack back in and it has considerable drag even with that Teflon on the bottom. I will feed this goose no Corn! :D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fsrmn on October 17, 2014, 02:16:37 AM
 Are you going to use a delrin washer on it? I am going to try it on my 6500ss to see how much difference it makes. It worked so well on my 4/0 :)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 17, 2014, 03:35:09 AM
That's a good idea! ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fsrmn on October 17, 2014, 05:43:04 AM
 Actually it's wallacewt's idea. I was asking him about putting it in a 420ss and he said he has done several ss spinners and it works well and doesn't compress.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Doug on October 17, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
Sal recommended it when he was first experimenting with Delrin month's ago . If you want to improve the drag on the 420ss  and 430ss you can also change the large Teflon drag washer over to carbontex. Dawn has size #48 for the 420ss /716z and # 54 for the 430ss/714z The penn # 56-440 might work in the 420ss but it has 3 ears on it. Dawns are a finer weave than the ht-100   Doug
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Keta on October 17, 2014, 01:52:09 PM
Quote from: Three se7ens on October 04, 2014, 11:40:05 PM
I'm working on a solution to the spring not working on the upper dog on the 9500ss.  

In the mean time, I had a customer send me a picture of the engagement of a stock silent dog with my 16t ratchet.  It fits better than I expected, and would likely function well under normal use.

(http://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11837.0;attach=8159;image)

You need to reduce the OD of the ratchet slightly, this "problem" is why I put the last batch of ratchets into my scrap tub.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Three se7ens on October 17, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
Care to elaborate?  My ratchet is the same OD as the original one.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 21, 2014, 11:44:39 AM
Picked up a nice power handle for my 9500.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: foakes on October 21, 2014, 05:04:05 PM
Hey Daron --

That 9500 is a beautiful set up with that power handle.

Do you think that big leveraged handle will put too much stress on the crank arm? -- or is it going to be OK?

Check it out and let us know --

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 21, 2014, 08:11:25 PM
We will see Fred. It has ball bearings in the Handle shaft.
The Aluminum has to be better than the Pot metal Arm. I have been hearing a lot about them snapping off. :o
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 23, 2014, 11:19:23 AM
After getting the Sand Trap, This 8500 came Yesterday. Very Nice! Brass gears and in mint Condition! ;D
I wish there was a way to tell if the 00 series has Brass gears inside. I wanted the 8500 because of the beefier handle pivot and just a newer reel besides the SSG Series.
I now have a 9500, 8500, 7500 with brass main gears. My 6500 has the alloy main gear. I like it though. It is therapeutic cranking that reel. ;)
The Sand Trap is another entity. I will Prevail! ;D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Keta on October 23, 2014, 11:43:07 AM
Quote from: Three se7ens on October 17, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
Care to elaborate?  My ratchet is the same OD as the original one.

A smaller OD will allow the top dog in the photo to fully engage.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 25, 2014, 11:39:15 AM
Lee,
I don't mean to butt in, but that top dog is a stock one. The bottom is one of the pair Adam makes for this kit. This particular gent used a stock dog on top instead of the other one like is on the bottom.
I had no problem with the dog on top and the original spring. Adam is reworking a plug and play spring for the bottom dog.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on October 25, 2014, 12:34:20 PM
Not to confuse things, Lee was talking about the angle of the ratchet where it makes contact with the dog, not the spring. He believes that making the ratchet ID smaller would take care of it, but Adam was able to make it work by changing the dog design.
As for the spring, not all SS are the same the housing that I'm showing at the beginning of the thread below will need a custom spring, that one is from a later model. The housing that Adam is showing on page four will not, you should be able to get away with a stock spring.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10216.msg96456#msg96456

Sal
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on November 01, 2014, 11:33:36 PM
Finally saved enough money to pick up my 9500. I got lucky and found a lightly used reel with brass gear, only problems were lack of service that led to sluggish perfomance and the handle was bent. Cleaned and lubricated the reel and it works like new. Tried to fix the handle and now I need a replacement handle. Didn't realize the handles were pot metal. So my questions are, does anyone have a stock handle for the penn 9500ss in decent to good shape that accepts paypal. Also i see that this reel's drag know looks similar to the knob that came on my 750ss but with a metal sleeve, did penn solve the problem with the knob cracking on this style or should I order the power knob?
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Cone on November 02, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
If the pivot and spacer are good on the 9500ss just get a handle from a 750ss or 7500ss and swap the spacer and pivots. The screw that holds the pivot can be a problem to remove on some handles. I like to keep a few spares around.
    I changed out all my drag knobs for the newer power knobs. The rubber seal helps keep out water. No one lists the part number for the rubber seal on the drag knob. I managed to get it from Penn. The replacement seals are expensive at around 2 bucks each but are cheaper than 10 to 11 bucks for a new power knob. If anyone needs the part number I'll dig it out and post it.
Bob
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on November 02, 2014, 12:23:31 AM
The pivot and sleeve are still good. I put the handle from my 750ss on the reel to complete the service, but i would like a stock style handle. Looked on ebay with no luck, hoping someone here has one. Thanks for the input on the knob, i will order a new knob after i find a handle.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 02, 2014, 03:27:55 AM
Here are a few of these Awesome spinners I have collected in a few weeks.
420,430,450,550,650 in the back row.
6500,7500,8500 and a pair of 9500's in the front.
I only need one more to complete this, and its a 440 that looks like the 420,430 style.
cwillis, pm me your address.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Bryan Young on November 02, 2014, 04:13:47 AM
I think you have a reel problem.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 02, 2014, 05:45:36 AM
No problem here Bry! ::)
You get my PM about those 114H ss sleeves?
My problem is that I need them. ;) and a 440ss! :P
You give them a good talking to before you send them. After All, You are the Reel Whisperer! ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Aiala on November 02, 2014, 03:46:18 PM
Mr. Shark, I too am looking for a 440SS to complete my line-up of 420 thru 850. Why are the dang things so rare?? In any case, please let's not get into a bidding frenzy when (if) one ever becomes available! I have no self-restraint, and right now my budget can't take that kind of whack...  :P

~A~
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 02, 2014, 04:49:01 PM
Aiala,
Evidently they made 4 of those 2nd Generation ss in that style. The 420 through the 450.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSS.aspx#specs (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSS.aspx#specs)
I don't know why they are so hard to find. Give it time.
I don't get into bidding wars. There is a 430 NIB that is going for over $200 that ends tonight. That is just Crazy! :P


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 02, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
I looked at that 430 when it was under a $100 & I click on watch & now laugh at the price.

Mike
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Aiala on November 02, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 02, 2014, 04:49:01 PM
There is a 430 NIB that is going for over $200 that ends tonight. That is just Crazy! :P

I know, completely insane. No wonder the bidders' identities are hidden! LOL

On the other hand, here's a very nice one for only 15.50 (at the moment): http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-430SS-HIGH-SPEED-REEL-5-1-1-RATIO-MADE-IN-THE-USA-MINT-CONDITION-/361100488550?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5413442f66

Wonder how high it'll go?   :)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 02, 2014, 09:23:06 PM
I'll be watching this one also. I will need a laugh this week

Mike
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 03, 2014, 01:42:34 AM
Adam made some new springs for his 9500 Titanium Ratchet and Dogs. It sounds Amazing! and the new springs work Great!
The first reel is stock. The second is with Adam's kit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2hdDmKEf8
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on November 05, 2014, 08:25:25 PM
Not as impressive as Daron's collect but now I have a little piece of his collection in my own. On the left is the 9500ss I just bought, in near mint condition (now that Daron sent me a less snapped in half handle.) I have only clean and oiled and greased the reel so far but once some funds free up I will upgrade the anti-reverse and drag knob. The other is my father's old 750ss passed down to me, it will always be my favorite reel. I caught all my stripped bass and northern pike about 20 years ago on that 750ss.

One more thanks to Daron for hooking me up with the new handle and thanks to everyone else who tried to help out in locating one. Gotta love the Alan Tani family!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 05, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
Right On! ;D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: the_reel_doc on November 06, 2014, 10:45:19 PM
 If anybody else is looking for the rubber handles for the SS series, let me know. I've got some new ones.  Got some that fit the 6500 also.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 07, 2014, 12:23:14 AM
All Right  All Right  All Right

Is there any up grades to the 450SS Reel besides Drag Washers & a through cleaning

Mike
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 01:02:30 AM
I don't know of any Mike. Mainly just the bigger ones. 650 and up.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 07, 2014, 01:39:20 AM
Thanks Daron

That's less work for me.

Mike
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 07, 2014, 01:51:48 AM
Mike, all my spinners have Octagon carbon washers, including the 450ss...as shown on the left
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/009_zpsf1c645eb.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/009_zpsf1c645eb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 07, 2014, 01:58:22 AM
Thanks Sal

They will keep me busy for a while

The 6/0 looks good on Daron's Plinth now my Plinth with that pretty Red Handle.

Mike
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 07, 2014, 02:28:13 AM
A power handle is also a good upgrade on these reels, especially the larger ones... as these 9500ss:
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/002_zps5a8d77fb.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/002_zps5a8d77fb.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/008_zps19859dd4.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/008_zps19859dd4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 02:42:04 AM
Those are Nice! Sal!
Where did you get them?
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 07, 2014, 02:55:48 AM
I got them from the other side of the pond. Me and Tom exchanged some parts a while back, shipping cost was a killer for both of us.
I requested a few, but gave some away. Two of those reels are spoken for the other two are staying with me, I have a few more used 9500's,  but those four are new with boxes.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 03:04:30 AM
 :'(
I'm up to four myself, but none NIB. ::)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on November 07, 2014, 03:05:26 AM
Those handles look so much nicer than what I have seen avalible,  hopefully Daron can beat on the ones he just got and give a report. Worries me that the ones I have seen all use the SSm handle arms.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: MFB on November 07, 2014, 06:22:42 AM
Anybody know anyone in Germany? If so I would be keen on a couple of these.

http://www.angelgeraete-bode.de/Powerhandle-4

Rgds

Mark
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 07:04:50 AM
Those are the ones Mark. :o
I am not fluent in German. I think I know someone who is. ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 07:36:42 AM
Quote from: bluefish69 on November 07, 2014, 01:58:22 AM
Thanks Sal

They will keep me busy for a while

The 6/0 looks good on Daron's Plinth now my Plinth with that pretty Red Handle.

Mike
Where are those pictures Mike? Plinthety, Plinth, Plinth, Plinth, Plinth! :D
I got you on those drags buddy. ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 07, 2014, 10:55:36 AM
Too bad those are not for sale here, they would probably cost us over $60 when all said and done, mine were more reasonable...unless Tom lied to me :-\.
I really like the way they're made, but if the cost would be reasonable, I would still rather have them in stainless steel. I talked about this a while back with Alan C., he should be able to come up with something, but he just has too much going on at the moment. I'm giving him too many projects ;D.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: the_reel_doc on November 07, 2014, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: MFB on November 07, 2014, 06:22:42 AM
Anybody know anyone in Germany? If so I would be keen on a couple of these.

http://www.angelgeraete-bode.de/Powerhandle-4

Rgds

Mark


That's about $40 US. When these first came out they were like $15. Of course, my luck, once I discovered them you could not find them anymore. I've got a couple here somewhere if you want to save trying to get them elsewhere.































































































































































Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 07, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
You're forgetting about shipping charges. it would be around $60 when all said and done.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: the_reel_doc on November 07, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
Yeah, $60 is a little rich for my blood and then add about $10 more for the pivot, collar, and pin. There's one on e-Bay UK for 13 pounds but she only ships to England. I thought I had more than what I did but I've only found one and Sharkhunter got that one. Guess my son may have helped himself to a couple.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 10:44:43 PM
YES! ;D
I snagged that one in England too. It pays to have connections. ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 10, 2014, 07:18:06 AM
Servicing my Cherry 8500. Putting in one of Adam's Titanium kits in too. ;)
https://youtu.be/stkoQ0Sj2xs
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 10, 2014, 03:29:26 PM
What part of the Reel do you put the Chap Stick on???

Mike
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 10, 2014, 06:01:39 PM
The Lips. :D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: bluefish69 on November 10, 2014, 09:18:48 PM
I won't pursue this any further.

Mike 
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 11, 2014, 01:55:29 AM
Quote from: bluefish69 on November 10, 2014, 09:18:48 PM
I won't pursue this any further.

Mike 

Haha smart move!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 11, 2014, 05:23:41 AM
Look what came in the mail today! Two brand new 9500ss spools and the unobtanium Handle!
Booyah! ;D Thanks Larry. Yet another perk of alantani.com! ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Tightlines667 on November 11, 2014, 05:42:12 AM
That is the coolest spinner handle ever.  Well earned!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 11, 2014, 06:42:27 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on November 11, 2014, 05:42:12 AM
That is the coolest spinner handle ever.  Well earned!
I believe you've seen some similar to that before ::) ;D.

Daron, very nice! On mine I gently remove that cheap plastic sticker on the knob, I like it better without, but i'm just crazy ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 11, 2014, 09:08:21 PM
Do you mean the Penn Emblem! Heaven NO! ;D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: the_reel_doc on November 11, 2014, 09:36:29 PM
Glad I could be of some service. Next time you're down this way we'll have to get together and maybe go out on the boat. I have a shark hole where I use to catch some decent ones but the last few times I went there all I was catching were small ones. Course those suckers are everywhere now. Can't fish the pier any more without having to skim the fish across the top to keep them from getting eaten.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 12, 2014, 04:35:22 AM
I use mostly conventionals but looking to put together a nice setup like these! I was thinking about a 750ss for about a 40# setup. What do you guys think? Also, what mods would you recommend. I know Adams kit is a must!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 12, 2014, 05:03:31 AM
Brass or bronze gears for sure. They are usually standard with a 750. You can always cut the drags Hexagon shaped too like Sal shows. A power handle to top it off and you'll be set.
The weak link in the Handle pivot. There might be some ss replacements for that.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 12, 2014, 05:15:18 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 12, 2014, 05:03:31 AM
Brass or bronze gears for sure. They are usually standard with a 750. You can always cut the drags Hexagon shaped too like Sal shows. A power handle to top it off and you'll be set.
The weak link in the Handle pivot. There might be some ss replacements for that.

I saw what sal did looking good! What drag pressures are good for this reel? I just don't want to over do it. You know where I might find the ss pivot replacements?

Thanks for everything sharkhunter
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 12, 2014, 05:27:05 AM
They are just an idea for now. If we have enough takers. Adam might make these for us.
Penn realized the problem with the weak pivot and improved them on the 7500 and 8500 series.
I am fairly new to rebuilding these and am learning as I go along. If any of you have anything to add. please feel free to do so. There are a lot of gents that have been fishing these a lot longer than me.
Sal, Wallace, Bob, Keith and Justin to name a few would be better qualified to give you a maximum drag figure.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 12, 2014, 06:42:37 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 12, 2014, 05:27:05 AM
They are just an idea for now. If we have enough takers. Adam might make these for us.
Penn realized the problem with the weak pivot and improved them on the 7500 and 8500 series.
I am fairly new to rebuilding these and am learning as I go along. If any of you have anything to add. please feel free to do so. There are a lot of gents that have been fishing these a lot longer than me.
Sal, Wallace, Bob, Keith and Justin to name a few would be better qualified to give you a maximum drag figure.

Thanks for the info! I really look forward to messing around with this reel!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: wallacewt on November 12, 2014, 08:48:33 AM
ill leave this to sal
me personally i wont fish a 750 over 15lb max
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: basto on November 13, 2014, 01:31:42 AM
From what I have seen, these reels will work for a long, long time in stock form if confined to use with monofilament.
Basto
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: the_reel_doc on November 13, 2014, 03:06:20 PM
 Has anyone put the bail wire conversion on their reel? It has bearings inside the line roller. Was just wondering if it worked. Seems it would make the roller smoother and able to use braid on the reel if you really wanted to.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 13, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
I haven't Larry. I used one and it just didn't feel right. Like I kept reaching for the gear shift on an automatic. ::)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: MFB on November 13, 2014, 06:40:33 PM
Hi Doc,

Fitted that mod to my 7500, I think Scott's have sold out of them now. I wanted one for my 8500 too. 

Rgds

Mark
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Jerseymic on November 13, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 07, 2014, 10:44:43 PM
YES! ;D
I snagged that one in England too. It pays to have connections. ;)

Anytime my friend.

Had no idea they were hard to find.

Mike.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 14, 2014, 02:49:36 AM
I was actually going to order two from Germany, but when I went to register on their website. United States is not an option.
I appreciate it Mike. What goes around, comes around! ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Jerseymic on November 14, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 14, 2014, 02:49:36 AM
I was actually going to order two from Germany, but when I went to register on their website. United States is not an option.
I appreciate it Mike. What goes around, comes around! ;)

Pleased I could help, hope it reaches you safely.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Rancanfish on November 14, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
I've read thru all the posts and I have a few questions.  I do not own a single SS series reel.

1) With the short squatty spools, am I right in assuming most of these are boat reels where long casting isn't a priority?

2) Isn't a power handle almost a liability considering the size of the drags?  Some originals look like they will twist right off, to say nothing of balance.

3) Are there two metal body series and then the graphites came out?

I'll stop there because I'm just starting my second java and I have to go to work.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 14, 2014, 04:54:20 PM
Randy,
There are actually 5 generations of Spinfishers. The first being the 700 series. Then the ss models with one zero, 750,650 ect. the third generation is the 00 series, 7500, 6500. As far as the graphite reels, these started in the third generation, mainly just the smaller ones. 4200 through 5500. The 6500 and up were still metal. This link will explain it better.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Spinning.aspx#SpinfisherFamily (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Spinning.aspx#SpinfisherFamily)
Sure, you can't cast a 750 like a newer torque or battle, but you can get it out far enough to get into some action.
As far as the power handles. I think its more of a comfort thing. The handle and the pivot is the weakest link. if we get Adam to make us some stainless pivots. We will be all set with the power handles. The bigger reels can handle 15 pounds of drag. The 9500 at 20 lb. That's a lot for a 20 year old reel.



"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 16, 2014, 04:36:43 AM
I received my NIB 9500ss today from Keith. Thanks Buddy! It only needs one thing. The ultimate power handle!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4437/36727629035_87cf7f814c_b.jpg)
I have two other 9500's that need gone through. Let's do it now.
This one has the alloy gear, but it is very nice. I don't think line was ever put on it.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4345/36681221776_70fa4875c8_b.jpg)
All put back together. Going through the drag. Cal's needed.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4426/36588615861_2a58a74fe9_b.jpg)
I have a few extra spools, I'm going through them all and replacing the Teflon washer on top with a 6-60 carbon fiber and greasing the big drag washer.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/36588624831_72f139f378_b.jpg)
I Have this last one to go through. So many reels, so little time! ;D
It has the brass gears and is in good shape.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4416/36681274666_d57a9882b7_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: MFB on November 16, 2014, 07:17:56 AM
Nice...

Rgds

Mark
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 16, 2014, 08:03:56 AM
Now I have five 9500's. Only one NIB thanks to Keith, I think I'm set.
All drags greased drags with Cal's. Refurbished, cleaned and new grease applied. I asked fishingreel79 if his handles were set with Loctite. He said yes.
His handles were dry as a bone. No threadlock on the screws. I took care of that and oiled the bearings with reel-x.  It made a big difference. Good to go.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on November 16, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
Looking good, Daron. After putting in my titanium antireverse I noticed that every three or four cranks my handle hits the bail wire, not bad but enough that it bugs me. I know it has nothing to do with the anti-reverse,  seems everytime I put the handle back on I get a slightly different position with the handle. I also have not noticed any bend in the handle you just sent so I dont think that is the problem. Is it safe to put a small washer between the handle and the sleeve to gain the tiny bit of spacing I need or is that going to put too much stress on the pivot?
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: the_reel_doc on November 16, 2014, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: cwillis85 on November 16, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
Looking good, Daron. After putting in my titanium antireverse I noticed that every three or four cranks my handle hits the bail wire, not bad but enough that it bugs me. I know it has nothing to do with the anti-reverse,  seems everytime I put the handle back on I get a slightly different position with the handle. I also have not noticed any bend in the handle you just sent so I dont think that is the problem. Is it safe to put a small washer between the handle and the sleeve to gain the tiny bit of spacing I need or is that going to put too much stress on the pivot?

    Bail wire might be bent just a little. Just bend it up just enough to clear the bump.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: cwillis85 on November 16, 2014, 05:08:05 PM
That fixed it, thanks. If i had known this was the issue I would have never broke the first handle.  ;D
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: handi2 on November 16, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
Daron I see I sent you the wrong power handle. I sent the Jumbo. I'll send you one like shown on your reels.

Keith
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 16, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
I'm Happy with the Jumbo! ;D
I have plans for it. I think you have went above and beyond already.
I Thank You Sir! ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 18, 2014, 12:38:04 AM
Picked up this 650 on a whim. The pictures were fuzzy, so I was a little worried. Best $65 I ever spent. ;D Cherry! ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: handi2 on November 18, 2014, 12:49:34 AM
65 is cheap..!!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 18, 2014, 12:51:58 AM
It came in the original Box with manual too! ;D
I was under the impression that when the side plate had 4:7 as my 6500, it had aluminum gears. Blows that theory out of the water! ::)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2014, 01:11:38 AM
How about $70  ;D.  I believe I mentioned it to you earlier that the ss with the two zero might have either gears. I'm thinking in the beginning they all had Brass, but towards the end they started using cast aluminum.
Scotts had plenty of brass gears for these reels a few years back, but I bought them all ;D.
You did really good on this one bud ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on November 18, 2014, 04:52:48 AM
Another great find!!
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Rancanfish on November 19, 2014, 12:37:24 AM
Hey Sharky,  you gonna use that new-in-the-box?     

I have an in the box 970 and just can't bring myself to salt it up.
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 19, 2014, 12:40:43 AM
Probably Not. I have plenty of others to salt up. ;)
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Alto Mare on November 19, 2014, 01:54:39 AM
Quote from: Rancanfish on November 19, 2014, 12:37:24 AM
Hey Sharky,  you gonna use that new-in-the-box?     

I have an in the box 970 and just can't bring myself to salt it up.
Randy, I could make you a sweet trade for that 970 and you won't have to feel bad anymore ;)...just say the word.
Sal
Title: Re: Penn SS Series
Post by: Rancanfish on November 19, 2014, 04:48:52 AM
Well now I'm curious what a sweet trade is?