OK so now I have serviced a 2spd. Rebuilt a 112H & now it's time to do a little more. I recently sold a bunch of old tackle, rods & reels to upgrade and finance my first long range trip. One of the reels I sold just happened to be my oldest sons favorite reel. I did replace it with a brand new Avet LX 4.6:1 and took him fishing so he could try it out. His response was I love the new Seeker rods and Avet reels but I like my old star drag better :( :-\ >:( ... So the idea pops into my head to sell the LX which I did and build him a star drag for his birthday ;D ;D ;D Thanks to Mel I have found the reel & I acquired an Accurate frame and spool.
I need SS gear sleeve and AR dog...Penn 349 handle...Maybe 4:1 gears? & drag set.
the reel
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The plates are clean and waiting parts:
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More to come...Tim
Your oldest Son is after my own heart Tim! You should Tank that bad Boy! ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 24, 2014, 02:17:15 AM
Your oldest Son is after my own heart Tim! You should Tank that bad Boy! ;D
I love him but there is a limit ;D ;D ;D
Alan has a crank arm that is like the 349 but stainless. I absolutely love them. You also then get to choose the handle.
Ronald
Quote from: Big Tim on April 24, 2014, 02:12:09 AM
OK so now I have serviced a 2spd. Rebuilt a 112H & now it's time to do a little more. I recently sold a bunch of old tackle, rods & reels to upgrade and finance my first long range trip. One of the reels I sold just happened to be my oldest sons favorite reel. I did replace it with a brand new Avet LX 4.6:1 and took him fishing so he could try it out. His response was I love the new Seeker rods and Avet reels but I like my old star drag better :( :-\ >:( ... So the idea pops into my head to sell the LX which I did and build him a star drag for his birthday ;D ;D ;D Thanks to Mel I have found the reel & I acquired an Accurate frame and spool.
I need SS gear sleeve and AR dog...Penn 349 handle...Maybe 4:1 gears? & drag set.
the reel
More to come...Tim
Funny, I am looking to do a 112H but with a Tiburon frame. I am also going to do a Jigmaster with the Tiburon frame and add the Stainless gears. They seem like nice upgrades for a decent price. I also like my Star drags. I want something new but I really like my reels. Since they work well, I really can't justify buying new higher priced reels.
Are accurate frames and plates still available for these Penn reels?
Quote from: anglingarchitect on April 24, 2014, 04:24:28 PM
Are accurate frames and plates still available for these Penn reels?
used ones yes. i saw some on eBay...
Used ones are occasionally available on eBay and elsewhere; new ones --especially plates-- are very rare, and becoming more so by the day. :-\
Tiburons, happily, are still in good supply. :)
~A~
Quote from: johnachak on April 24, 2014, 03:14:05 PM
Funny, I am looking to do a 112H but with a Tiburon frame.
If you'll spool it with multifilament, I suggest the narrow kit. If not you know what...:);D
Tim, thats very nice of you to customize a reel for your son. I would suggest a set of Pro Challenger gears available from Black Pearl on this site. They are the best gears you can buy IMHO. You will also need a stainless steel yoke. Bob
Tiburon only make the frames and spools no side plates correct?
Quote from: anglingarchitect on April 24, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
Tiburon only make the frames and spools no side plates correct?
correct you are! if my memory serves me right, i think i have seen some reels with a mixture of Accurate Tiburon and JVariance parts.
innards first, then the handle, then decide on a frame and spool.
Beautiful job you did on those two Jvariance's you did for me Alan, and I love the giant handles, you were so right about those.
anything else is going to feel like a peanut.......
OK the first 2 pieces of the puzzle are in...Accurate frame & light spool...Just had to put the plates on ;D ;D ;D Now a couple more items to come in and then decide what else I'm going to do to the internals
Tim
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What is the preferred right plate for a project like this. The one shown, or the one with the open drag that can be serviced without taking the reel apart?
I'm about to go down this road and have 6 113h's to choose from.
Great project by the way. Following this post daily. Love the pics, the frame looks great.
Quote from: TechTeach2530 on April 27, 2014, 01:10:28 AM
What is the preferred right plate for a project like this. The one shown, or the one with the open drag that can be serviced without taking the reel apart?
I'm about to go down this road and have 6 113h's to choose from.
Great project by the way. Following this post daily. Love the pics, the frame looks great.
Thanks...I'm new to this and I really don't have an educated opinion on the plate...One piece seems to me might be stronger? But I'm sure Dr. Tankenstien "Alto Mare" would have the right answer.
Tim
Quote from: TechTeach2530 on April 27, 2014, 01:10:28 AM
What is the preferred right plate for a project like this. The one shown, or the one with the open drag that can be serviced without taking the reel apart?
I'm about to go down this road and have 6 113h's to choose from.
Great project by the way. Following this post daily. Love the pics, the frame looks great.
If you are double dogging the reel the open drag side plate is easier to assemble but there are ways around the problem if you have a closed drag side plate.
You still have to take the plate off to access the drags TechTeach. On the Larger Senators, You can change a main gear without having to take the plate off. I did this to a 14/0 recently.
I happen to have all open drag plates, but that just happened that way, I do n't believe there is a huge advantage functionally.
Ron
Right, it's just a little harder to keep the drag stack in place with the closed stack side plates, especially with a non standard stack. The 114H is easier than the 113H.
Quote from: noyb72 on April 28, 2014, 12:15:59 AM
I happen to have all open drag plates, but that just happened that way, I do n't believe there is a huge advantage functionally.
Ron
I just thought structurally with 2 pieces and multiple pieces of hardware involved that the 1 piece could have an advantage. Lees is More??
Tim
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 27, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
You still have to take the plate off to access the drags TechTeach. On the Larger Senators, You can change a main gear without having to take the plate off. I did this to a 14/0 recently.
Can't you get at the drag washers by just removing the handle and star with the open style? I know I have done it before.
Any strength concerns withe either design?
I think I'm going to go open because I like the look of the older reels.
Stay tuned, maybe I'll start a build thread soon. Forecast is for a week worth of rain for us in the northeast. No boat work so I guess it's reel time.
When you can put the drag stack into the gear when the bridge is attached to the side plate you don't have to deal with the ear of an eared washer hang up on the gear.
I'm in over my head...I'm so new that my camera is in B & W ;D I still think less is more..Less moving part is = to less failure. No matter the ease of accessibility to the drags and related components if in cased in a solid platform the overall integrity and structural strength should increase ? Tim
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There is actually no more parts, just a different type of spacer. The open drag probably allows more water into the reel but that's one of the things drag grease is for.
Quote from: TechTeach2530 on April 27, 2014, 01:10:28 AM
What is the preferred right plate for a project like this. The one shown, or the one with the open drag that can be serviced without taking the reel apart?
I'm about to go down this road and have 6 113h's to choose from.
Great project by the way. Following this post daily. Love the pics, the frame looks great.
IMHO, I like the side plate with the accessible drag.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
Tim,
Mind sharing what's the flashlight with tripod you are using?
Cheers,
Arthur
Quote from: Keta on April 28, 2014, 03:47:44 AM
There is actually no more parts, just a different type of spacer. The open drag probably allows more water into the reel but that's one of the things drag grease is for.
Thank you for the education Lee...I would like to see one up close and see if the opening for the larger spacer is the same thickness as the closed drag plate.
Quote from: Nuvole on April 28, 2014, 05:12:28 PM
Tim,
Mind sharing what's the flashlight with tripod you are using?
Cheers,
Arthur
Arthur: Those are American Recorder digital lights I use for projects and close up photos in my photo box.
Tim
Quote from: johnachak on April 28, 2014, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: TechTeach2530 on April 27, 2014, 01:10:28 AM
What is the preferred right plate for a project like this. The one shown, or the one with the open drag that can be serviced without taking the reel apart?
I'm about to go down this road and have 6 113h's to choose from.
Great project by the way. Following this post daily. Love the pics, the frame looks great.
IMHO, I like the side plate with the accessible drag.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
That is the direction I am leaning. Plus I like the left side art work on the older reels.
Need a little help! Ok I mocked up the reel for my son & I have a spacing problem...Whether I use the original spool or the aluminum spool when put together and the left side bearing screwed all the way in I still have too much side to side play? Do I need to take off the inner rings ? is there a way to shim/space the bearings to take up the slop ?
Tim
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The new Tiburon frames do not use the inter rings but from the photos you have the old frame.
How much slop are we talking Tim? The only full accurate frame I have dealt with is a 9/0 and I used the inside rings with adjustable bearing as you have and didn't have an issue.
You may need to shim the bearings.
I agree with Bryan, it is not uncommon to have to stuff a washer behind the left hand bearing inside the cup to remove slop.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on May 02, 2014, 07:00:16 AM
I agree with Bryan, it is not uncommon to have to stuff a washer behind the left hand bearing inside the cup to remove slop.
Ron
Most times it's the right side bearing that needs shims.
The spool need to be centered, his appears to be too far to the right already, but can't really tell from his pictures.
Red Neck bearing shim ;D ;D ;D thanks for all the help guys...The first attempt on the shim is obviously too much and I lost full gear engagement...But at least now I have a plan, thanks again for the input..Off to work >:(
Tim
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Tim, you must shop at Fisherman's Warehouse. I notice the "Select" baggy. lol
Very creative with the shim. You will probably need 1/16 of that thicknss.
Just find some thin washers that fit in the bearing cup Tim.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 02, 2014, 04:54:51 PM
Just find some thin washers that fit in the bearing cup Tim.
I'm robbing some thin small washers from an ice machine I'm working on right now
Quote from: Bryan Young on May 02, 2014, 04:20:01 PM
Tim, you must shop at Fisherman's Warehouse. I notice the "Select" baggy. lol
Very creative with the shim. You will probably need 1/16 of that thicknss.
Byran: Yes on Fisherman's Warehouse & yes on the 1/16" thickness on the shim (almost perfect).
A few small cosmetics and this reel for my son will be done
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Tim
Did you try the spring spacers that go in the Newell Bearing Cups. I have 2 sizes just sent me the OD of the washers & I can send you a few.
Mike
Quote from: bluefish69 on May 02, 2014, 11:24:28 PM
Tim
Did you try the spring spacers that go in the Newell Bearing Cups. I have 2 sizes just sent me the OD of the washers & I can send you a few.
Mike
Mike: They look like 3/8" ... my dial calipers are broken(Harbor Freight!) But my trusty Starrett ruler shows that measurement..I will PM my address...Thank you ;D Tim
I keep my parts & tools in 3 different closets. My 6 Yo. Grandson like to explore.
Mike
Looks Good Tim. That Accuframe is Gorgeous! :P
This is the only full Accuframe I own besides a black squidder.
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Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 03, 2014, 12:01:37 AM
Looks Good Tim. That Accuframe is Gorgeous! :P
This is the only full Accuframe I own besides a black squidder.
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A fine piece you got there Daron ;D
FINISHED ;D ;D ;D Thank you all for the help in building this reel for my son John...Mike the spring washers worked perfect in fixing the spacing...The final pieces today were the handle ,mounting screw and a couple of new unseen pieces .
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that is one 8) build Tim!
Very nice!
Good Job Tim! ;)
Look's first class.
Joel8080.
You got some gloss going on them side plates....look like new
That's a nice looking reel and a lucky son! Bob
Job well done Tim
After many changes, spacing and gear issues I finally have the reel completed with no issues and a color scheme I like ;D
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Way to go Big Tim, that reel looks sweet ;).
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 16, 2014, 11:08:45 PM
Way to go Big Tim, that reel looks sweet ;).
Thanks..Now I have a bunch of spare parts ;D
Quote from: Big Tim on July 16, 2014, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 16, 2014, 11:08:45 PM
Way to go Big Tim, that reel looks sweet ;).
Thanks..Now I have a bunch of spare parts ;D
Time to do another project, it's a reel disease when it's AR's we call it Black Rifle Disease. I have 3-5.6's,a 6.8 SPC, and a 308, and I was able to quit.
I was able to quit when my two safes were full!
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Quote from: anglingarchitect on July 17, 2014, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: Big Tim on July 16, 2014, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 16, 2014, 11:08:45 PM
Way to go Big Tim, that reel looks sweet ;).
Thanks..Now I have a bunch of spare parts ;D
Time to do another project, it's a reel disease when it's AR's we call it Black Rifle Disease. I have 3-5.6's,a 6.8 SPC, and a 308, and I was able to quit.
Jigmaster for me is next
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 17, 2014, 01:39:10 AM
I was able to quit when my two safes were full!
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Your a SIC man Daron ;D NICE!
I'll take that as a Compliment Big T. ;D These are the cream of the crop. ;)
Quote from: Big Tim on May 10, 2014, 12:34:38 AM
FINISHED ;D ;D ;D Thank you all for the help in building this reel for my son John...Mike the spring washers worked perfect in fixing the spacing...The final pieces today were the handle ,mounting screw and a couple of new unseen pieces .
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beautiful reel, where did you found the accuframe?
any upgrade since finished few months ago?