Hey guys!
I spoke to Alan C. a little while ago and was telling him how I really like his 5:1 Newell gears he made and put them in my Jigmaster 505hs, they are here http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=11827.0 . He then asked me to post about them here if I could. I have been very busy as there have been some personal things going on lately, however I have found the time and would like to share how great these gears are!!!
Here are the gears! 416 heat treated SS 5:1 gears (actually 4.8:1 as they were modeled after the original Newell gears)
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As the title of this thread says, I will be upgrading a Jigmaster 506HS. When Alan C. talked to me about it, I got the idea to make an entire build out of this. I sold off my 505 and looked for a solid 506 to build, as I wanted the side plate to actually say 506hs on it. I quickly found a VERY nice 506hs in 9/10 condition.
Here it is!
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Its a beautiful reel and has the full Newell conversion! I got this bad boy for $75 shipped to my door, which I think is a solid price.
Also, upon taking it apart I noticed that it had been service and well taken care off! Even the screws had at least oil on them!
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Okay, here are the upgrades that will be going into this build!
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I started with the upgrades going left side to right side. I took apart the left side plate and found it in GREAT condition! So I just cleaned the plate up and then Swapped the bearings with Boca ABEC 7 Orange Seals. I decided alot about which oil to use and settled on TSI 321, to protect the SS part of the bearing and it works as a great lube even though it wont bond to the ceramic balls.
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Now even though this reel came with the Newell bars, I could not resist the SS bars from Alan C. I ordered some up and swapped them out, but leaving the Newell reel stand (as it is much better than the stock one)
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As a few of you know, I LOVE SS screws, so I swapped out the side plate screws with SS screws. They sit a little higher but I think they look good and are a great pair with the SS bars.
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Now on to the right side plate and the fun stuff!! I swapped out as much of the guts to SS as possible! Here is a pic of everything that is getting swapped out.
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The SS gear sleeve is ground down to utilize a Keyed SS washer for a better surface for the Delrin or CF washer (whatever your preference is) to operate on. I used a 0.50 mm SS 5-60 washer from Bryan and then used the 0.020 PFTE Derin sheet and cut it to the same size as the SS washer.
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Here are some pics show the old brass gear next to Alan C's Newell SS gears, as this is what the build is mainly about.
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As you can see the gears look VERY similar and the operation is very smooth! A 5+1 one stack the Bryan sells for the Jigmaster will fit in here nicely and then I placed the acetal washer that Sal has been suggesting.
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The same Eccentric jack and yoke for the 500 will fit in the 506, so I used Alan C's yoke and jack as they are heat treated SS.
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Only things is that the OD of the spacer is to wide for the plate. So I just took a dremel and slightly opened the OD of the plate to fit the spacer. Here is the plate after I shaved a little off.
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Now before putting it all back together I swapped the bridge screws for SS ones. I had to grind the threads down a little for the yoke bridges, but now they fit directly in with no issues.
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Now a quick polish of the pinion and spool shaft as I will be using this reel for casting.
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Once the reel was all together I noticed a few things. The spacer was wayyyyy to tall and the acetal washer was a little to soft for this setup! I went through ALL the sizes of spacers the Alan C offers and all were to Tall except the 10.5, which fit nicely! But I did swap the washer for Bryan's spring washer. I placed a Delrin washer under it though.
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All back together and ready to take on anything I throw its way. I will be using this for yoyoing and throwing surface irons to schoolies.
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The gears are great for this reel and really make it a MUCH stronger reel! I pushed easy 20lb drag from this reel and have great freespool! Im excited to get this on the water.
Wonderful work. That really turned out nice! Great attention to detail!
Very nice :o. I like your choice of handle. It goes nice with the reel and looks like it will do the job well.
Great job - that's a beauty!
:o nice 506
Beautiful work Jason. When you mention that the Delrin belleville didn't fit, could you be more specific?, did it hit the side plate or did you have an issue with the star? You've also mentioned too soft, I'm sure you mean to springy, that would be a good thing. The acetal itself is very strong.
Also, could I have the part # of the ss bridge screws, I want to help look around and see if I could find some as the original.
I've been telling Alan to forget about the 5:1 and go as the original from the beginning, I had no idea those were 4.8:1, I would have grabbed a set or two...oh well.
The cross bars look amazing, those will last forever, to me its one of the best upgrade we did here. I'm glad you're sticking with the Delrin.
You did good buddy, enjoy that beauty. ;)
Sal
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 15, 2015, 07:37:11 AM
Very nice :o. I like your choice of handle. It goes nice with the reel and looks like it will do the job well.
x 2 - Looks good. It looks like you started with a 24-66 handle but what is the black arm on the finished reel?
Michael
Two thumbs up and a gold star!
Nice upgrades. Very solid work.
That's a weapon. Very very nice.
I would really like to do something similar to one of these.
Your new pinion has a larger hole for the rectangularish engagement portion of the spool shaft. The original gear has a smaller hole as the 505/506 spool shaft where this engagement portion clicks in. Do you think that this uneven pressure on the engagement portion of the shaft and on the new gears will damage the shaft or gears over time?????
Great job
Nice reel you got there.
You need to end your drag stack with a keyed washer. Under high tension of the drag, the star may loosen as line peels off the reel.
In your case, I it sounds like your spacer is just too tall. If that is the case, I would run your reel without a tension washer and put back the keyed washer on the top of the drag stack. I would hate for you to loose a fish of a lifetime by the drags backing out when the fish is peeling line off the reel.
outstanding work
I heard you guys talk about it before, personally, I would never go without a tension spring...just my 2 cents ;)
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 15, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
I heard you guys talk about it before, personally, I would never go without a tension spring...just my 2 cents ;)
Sal, best option would be to cut the spacer but cutting stainless is not very easy. He really should end his stack with a keyed washer and the tension spring. That is the basis of my suggestion.
Is the keyed washer under the gear sitting flat on the rachet? I think there was like 1/16 in. that needed to be grounded down.
Did I send you a drag kit with an extra keyed washer for under the drag stack? I don't recall. Are you using a penn washer for the last washer in the stack? This may be the 2 contributing factors leading to the spacing problem you are having.
Ok Bri Bri, here is my take on it and again, just my opinion, you guys do as you please.
The last keyed washer on top of the stack does not help with the star backing out, but a tension/belleville washer does. this is the main reason the tension spring was set it, to keep the star from backing itself out when under stress. That tension spring will also help with adjusting the drags gradually.
I do not believe in the carbon fiber washer for under the gear, I have found that replacing that washer with an acetal/ delrin washer will give me the smoothest reel, adding another on top doubles the pleasure.
I do not have any issues using the belleville as Jason is, but he's still using an acetal under your spring. Honestly, I believe he'll do better with just the acetal/delrin belleville there, its working on mine just fine :-\, he needs to crank down on the star at first and everything falls in just right, but he will also need the correct spacer. Alan C has 3 sizes in stock, he shouldn't be having any issues.
Simply awesome reel! Looking forward to hearing about getting it tweaked just right. Thanks for sharing!
Great job, Fstiks --
If you had 3 or 4 tanks like these in various sizes up to 6/0 --
A HD 2 speed
And a HD Spinner
That is all you might need for a long range trip.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 15, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Ok Bri Bri, here is my take on it and again, just my opinion, you guys do as you please.
The last keyed washer on top of the stack does not help with the star backing out, but a tension/belleville washer does. this is the main reason the tension spring was set it, to keep the star from backing itself out when under stress. That tension spring will also help with adjusting the drags gradually.
I do not believe in the carbon fiber washer for under the gear, I have found that replacing that washer with an acetal/ delrin washer will give me the smoothest reel, adding another on top doubles the pleasure.
I do not have any issues using the belleville as Jason is, but he's still using an acetal under your spring. Honestly, I believe he'll do better with just the acetal/delrin belleville there, its working on mine just fine :-\, he needs to crank down on the star at first and everything falls in just right, but he will also need the correct spacer. Alan C has 3 sizes in stock, he shouldn't be having any issues.
My Buddy Sal,
He did start with the acetel spring washer and he also had a clearance problem. I think he also is using acetel under the main gear, but supportive by a thin keyed washer.
My concern is that his last washer is in the drag stack...it's an eared washer, which will turn with the gear, not the gear sleeve. The gear will rotate under pressure in a counter clockwise direction. The spring washer, which is not keyed, may also rotate in a counter clockwise direction. This may turn the spacer in a counter clockwise direction and the spacer is in contact with the spacer, that under tension, may also rotate in a counter clockwise direction. For this reason you will always see the last washer used on the gear stack will be keyed to the gear sleeve. I have seen and experienced that under drag pressure, if you install the drag stack incorrectly, the top washer, spring washer, spacer and star act like one unit. Note that you will not have this issue with star drag reels that use keyed sleeves.
I have never had a star back off with a keyed washer on top under any pressure. I recommend using a spring washer to help distributer the pressure to the center and edges of the drag stack for greater consistent pressure irrespective of what you use.
For some of the drag upgrade kits out there, the last keyed washer, what they call a pressure plate, is thicker in the center and thinner at the edge. This design will help place even pressure on the entire drag stack since deflection of the metal washers is eliminated due to this design.
They key in the keyed washer.
Buddy, with no disrespect, you just gave me a headache ::) ;D. I have seen the star back out, it backs out when the tension spring doesn't sit straight, usually when the last eared washer is out of place, tilted with one ear sitting on the lip of the main gear. The star will also back out when you don't use the tension spring. Penn uses a wavy washer, those do a good job, but my Delrin belleville is doing a better job.
Again just my opinion and not twisting anyone's arm.
I like the latest combination on my reels and for me it will be very hard to change it.
Good Work Jason! I just did a 506 last night and yours puts mine to shame. :'(
Awesome build Buddy! ;D
First, THANK YOU to everyone for the very kind words on the build! It was something I really took my time on and I want to stress how it all started around Alan C's gears! They are great and I would love to push for him to make another run of these ;D
QuoteBeautiful work Jason. When you mention that the Delrin belleville didn't fit, could you be more specific?, did it hit the side plate or did you have an issue with the star? You've also mentioned too soft, I'm sure you mean to springy, that would be a good thing. The acetal itself is very strong.
Also, could I have the part # of the ss bridge screws, I want to help look around and see if I could find some as the original.
Sal, I did not have a spacing issue with the acetal washer, it fit well into the side plate. The added height if the washer and 5+1 stack just made the original 12.5mm spacer not work AT ALL. Needed to switch to a 10.5mm and even then I ground another 1mm off! I like the washers A LOT and use them in some reels, just for this one I think the feel is better with the one Bryan offers. It really just came down to a preference thing.
UPDATED this with the screw info! Here are the SS bridge screws I used. http://www.mcmaster.com/#92196a138/=vxai2u
Quotex 2 - Looks good. It looks like you started with a 24-66 handle but what is the black arm on the finished reel?
Hey Michael,
Its a black accurate handle that I got from Randy awhile back. The Knob is not accurate but it is one of my favorite and I have a few in different colors and sizes.
QuoteYour new pinion has a larger hole for the rectangularish engagement portion of the spool shaft. The original gear has a smaller hole as the 505/506 spool shaft where this engagement portion clicks in. Do you think that this uneven pressure on the engagement portion of the shaft and on the new gears will damage the shaft or gears over time?Huh??
The slot for the spool engagement is the same size on both pinions. I think it just looks different in the pictures. Im not really a photographer :-\
QuoteSal, best option would be to cut the spacer but cutting stainless is not very easy. He really should end his stack with a keyed washer and the tension spring. That is the basis of my suggestion.
Is the keyed washer under the gear sitting flat on the rachet? I think there was like 1/16 in. that needed to be grounded down.
Did I send you a drag kit with an extra keyed washer for under the drag stack? I don't recall. Are you using a penn washer for the last washer in the stack? This may be the 2 contributing factors leading to the spacing problem you are having.
Now Sal and Bryan or Bri Bri as Sal nicknamed you ;D
I have loved reading your comments! First, the stack is a normal 5 stack with the keyed washer sitting on the top! It just looks like an eared one because of the grease. Bryan, I have bought A LOT of spare SS washers from you just for builds like this, the SS washers are from you but the CF washers I cut myself. All CF washers are 0.50mm as are the SS washers from you. It just sits much higher due to the 5 stack. Also, I did talk to Alan T. about the 1/16 inch and I ground it down when I received it.
I am still going to play with the spring washer/spacer setup and see what the best tweaks are for it.
Quote from: foakes on February 15, 2015, 05:53:23 PM
Great job, Fstiks --
If you had 3 or 4 tanks like these in various sizes up to 6/0 --
A HD 2 speed
And a HD Spinner
That is all you might need for a long range trip.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred! I actually have everything you said. I have a couple tanks ;D. Now lets go on a LR trip!
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 15, 2015, 08:36:42 PM
Good Work Jason! I just did a 506 last night and yours puts mine to shame. :'(
Awesome build Buddy! ;D
I saw you build and solid work! I really like these reels!
QuoteFor some of the drag upgrade kits out there, the last keyed washer, what they call a pressure plate, is thicker in the center and thinner at the edge. This design will help place even pressure on the entire drag stack since deflection of the metal washers is eliminated due to this design.
This is true and I place a standard Penn Keyed washer on top of the stack off all my 5 stacks that spacing allows for it. It makes for a much better pressure distribution.
Entertainment...love it from your neighborhood Bry Bry. :p
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 15, 2015, 09:39:50 PMThis is true and I place a standard Penn Keyed washer on top of the stack off all my 5 stacks that spacing allows for it. It makes for a much better pressure distribution.
Depending on the stack height I occasionally use a stock thickness eared washer for the top one too. As long as the ears are more than 1/2 way in the gear I have no problems. I also use stock and .020 keyed Penn 60 washers for spacers between the top keyed washer and the spacer.
Jason, you did a beautiful job, wait a minute, I said that already. Never mind...carry on ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 15, 2015, 08:36:42 PM
Good Work Jason! I just did a 506 last night and yours puts mine to shame. :'(
Awesome build Buddy! ;D
dont be that hard on yourself, you did a fantastic resurrection to your 506HS too
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 15, 2015, 10:37:27 PM
Jason, you did a beautiful job, wait a minute, I said that already. Never mind...carry on ;)
Thanks Sal, all possible because of the members here! Actually started this build because Alan C. said you had some questions about that gear set in the 505.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 15, 2015, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 15, 2015, 08:36:42 PM
Good Work Jason! I just did a 506 last night and yours puts mine to shame. :'(
Awesome build Buddy! ;D
I saw you build and solid work! I really like these reels!
I do too! Sal and Bry. Its not about us. Its about all that watch us! ;)
I am learning that and try to give the best advice I can. ;D
Whew, I was afraid that my kits were not fitting or something. I'm confident you got it figured out and at least I wanted to make sure the orientation was correct first because it looked like the last washer was an eared washer from my review of the pics. I never want a dissatisfied buyer, and if it's not working I want to understand why. There are so many variables so I systematically start thinking...where....why...what...resolved...
That is one nice looking reel for sure and will kill those Yellows and white sea bass. Let me know how it turns out.
I am using Bryan's kit and black pearls 4:8.1 gears with the material that Sal uses under the main gear and on top. I use Bryan's heavy bevel on top because I like my drag to start up a little faster.the real is super smooth pulling 22 pounds of drag straight from the reel.I love my greased carbon fiber drag washers in the stack but will never go back to them underneath the main gear. much smoother with the new material and that's what you want your drag to be.
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 16, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
Whew, I was afraid that my kits were not fitting or something. I'm confident you got it figured out and at least I wanted to make sure the orientation was correct first because it looked like the last washer was an eared washer from my review of the pics. I never want a dissatisfied buyer, and if it's not working I want to understand why. There are so many variables so I systematically start thinking...where....why...what...resolved...
That is one nice looking reel for sure and will kill those Yellows and white sea bass. Let me know how it turns out.
All working and did a rolling test with the reel. Very smooth!
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 01:08:42 AM
I am using Bryan's kit and black pearls 4:8.1 gears with the material that Sal uses under the main gear and on top. I use Bryan's heavy bevel on top because I like my drag to start up a little faster.the real is super smooth pulling 22 pounds of drag straight from the reel.I love my greased carbon fiber drag washers in the stack but will never go back to them underneath the main gear. much smoother with the new material and that's what you want your drag to be.
Great gears right! What size spacer are you using? I really like This reel now and with a nice braid backing can really take on a lot of line. Excited to test it out on some yellows. We still have a few over here.
not sure which one I'm using. I will take it out tomorrow and put the calipers on it. loving this little reel.
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 01:25:15 AM
not sure which one I'm using. I will take it out tomorrow and put the calipers on it. loving this little reel.
Just asking because seems we have the same setup and I had to run the 10.5mm spacer and then shave it down to 9.5 mm to get it to fit right and ramp up the drag correctly.
it's funny how the same and different each reel is. On my reel, I had to ground down 2 mm or so while others fit just fine. I'm not absolutely sure why there is a difference, but it may be in the manufacturing tolerances, which could be just fine.
Since we're making new custom gear sleeves, we should add 2mm in length for these small reels, that would cure many problems.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 17, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Since we're making new custom gear sleeves, we should add 2mm in length for these small reels, that would cure many problems.
That would be great!! I would like the gear sleeves to really resemble the newell gear sleeves as much as possible.
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 01:08:42 AM
I am using Bryan's kit and black pearls 4:8.1 gears with the material that Sal uses under the main gear and on top. I use Bryan's heavy bevel on top because I like my drag to start up a little faster.the real is super smooth pulling 22 pounds of drag straight from the reel.I love my greased carbon fiber drag washers in the stack but will never go back to them underneath the main gear. much smoother with the new material and that's what you want your drag to be.
I believe that that gear set is 4:1 SS. I don't think that you bought the 4.8:1 Newell gear set.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 17, 2015, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 17, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Since we're making new custom gear sleeves, we should add 2mm in length for these small reels, that would cure many problems.
That would be great!! I would like the gear sleeves to really resemble the newell gear sleeves as much as possible.
My reason is more directed towards the star travel. The best star reel I have, as for adjusting the drags, is my 320. The star on that reel is about 1/8" further out than most. Just adding 2mm in length on the Jigmaster's gear sleeve would do wonders, adding a couple of extra teeth on the ratchet would also help. Dogs should always engage at the same time, having intermitted dogs doesn't help at all. When the dog fails, before the second dog gets a chance on the intermitted dogs, something else on the reel will go. I had a discussion about this with Dave (Jerulometer), that man knows what he's talking about. I wish I was a machinist :'(
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 17, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 17, 2015, 12:10:43 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 17, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Since we're making new custom gear sleeves, we should add 2mm in length for these small reels, that would cure many problems.
That would be great!! I would like the gear sleeves to really resemble the newell gear sleeves as much as possible.
My reason is more directed towards the star travel. The best star reel I have, as for adjusting the drags, is my 320. The star on that reel is about 1/8" further out than most. Just adding 2mm in length on the Jigmaster's gear sleeve would do wonders, adding a couple of extra teeth on the ratchet would also help. Dogs should always engage at the same time, having intermitted dogs doesn't help at all. When the dog fails, before the second dog gets a chance on the intermitted dogs, something else on the reel will go. I had a discussion about this with Dave (Jerulometer), that man knows what he's talking about. I wish I was a machinist :'(
I agree a little tweeking would go a long way! As for adding extra teeth, that is something I have wanted for a while. Getting rid of the back play would be a nice refinement.
Jamie, That is one killer reel.
Jason, you are too funny.
With all of you putting together killer reels, I ought to put one together myself.
Quote from: Black Pearl on February 17, 2015, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 01:08:42 AM
I am using Bryan's kit and black pearls 4:8.1 gears with the material that Sal uses under the main gear and on top. I use Bryan's heavy bevel on top because I like my drag to start up a little faster.the real is super smooth pulling 22 pounds of drag straight from the reel.I love my greased carbon fiber drag washers in the stack but will never go back to them underneath the main gear. much smoother with the new material and that's what you want your drag to be.
I believe that that gear set is 4:1 SS. I don't think that you bought the 4.8:1 Newell gear set.
i got the 5:1 fIsHsTiiCkS said that his are also 5:1 but he came up with 4:8:1
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 17, 2015, 01:37:03 AM
Since we're making new custom gear sleeves, we should add 2mm in length for these small reels, that would cure many problems.
Are you and Alan Chiu making custom gear sleeves?
No I'm not. I say we because there are lots of parts out there that were started by me and others here. For the most part, we are a team. I could probably get them done, but someone else is already offering those ;).
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: Black Pearl on February 17, 2015, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 01:08:42 AM
I am using Bryan's kit and black pearls 4:8.1 gears with the material that Sal uses under the main gear and on top. I use Bryan's heavy bevel on top because I like my drag to start up a little faster.the real is super smooth pulling 22 pounds of drag straight from the reel.I love my greased carbon fiber drag washers in the stack but will never go back to them underneath the main gear. much smoother with the new material and that's what you want your drag to be.
I believe that that gear set is 4:1 SS. I don't think that you bought the 4.8:1 Newell gear set.
i got the 5:1 fIsHsTiiCkS said that his are also 5:1 but he came up with 4:8:1
Those don't look anything like the 4:1, the teeth on the 4:1 are not as sharp
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12435.0
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: Black Pearl on February 17, 2015, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: broschro on February 17, 2015, 01:08:42 AM
I am using Bryan's kit and black pearls 4:8.1 gears with the material that Sal uses under the main gear and on top. I use Bryan's heavy bevel on top because I like my drag to start up a little faster.the real is super smooth pulling 22 pounds of drag straight from the reel.I love my greased carbon fiber drag washers in the stack but will never go back to them underneath the main gear. much smoother with the new material and that's what you want your drag to be.
I believe that that gear set is 4:1 SS. I don't think that you bought the 4.8:1 Newell gear set.
i got the 5:1 fIsHsTiiCkS said that his are also 5:1 but he came up with 4:8:1
FishsTicks' gear set is Newell 4.8:1 that I made. That is 2 difference gear sets.
go back to page 1.it says 5:1right on the package.
Quote from: broschro on February 18, 2015, 12:08:42 AM
go back to page 1.it says 5:1right on the package.
Ok. He has the only set I sold to. The other 19 set went to a tackle shop in Honolulu.
Ahh! Now the truth comes out! ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 18, 2015, 12:45:31 AM
Ahh! Now the truth comes out! ;)
Nope, I did post it to ask who would like to order it, but I only have FishTicks replied after about 2 weeks. Then, the tackle shop called for them.
Hard to get too far ahead of Alan C. (Black Pearl) --
All of those guys on the left side of the Pacific live where it is tomorrow (other side of IDL) --
Best,
Fred
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Black Pearl on February 18, 2015, 12:56:20 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 18, 2015, 12:45:31 AM
Ahh! Now the truth comes out! ;)
Nope, I did post it to ask who would like to order it, but I only have FishTicks replied after about 2 weeks. Then, the tackle shop called for them.
Just make sure you don't put these ahead of the next 4:1 run, a lot of us are only interested in those.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 18, 2015, 12:48:55 AM
Yup! I didn't even know about these top secret gears... I lost my stripes :(
I swooped in on the gears as soon as I saw them posted. I had been thinking of a 505 build with SS gears for awhile. Alan Chui Really came through on these gears but I Dont think you will have to worry about them coming out a head of the new 4:1, as these 4.8:1's dont have as much interest. Ill see later if we can talk Alan into another run of 20, down the road though. I am surprise these werent more popular with the Newell guys.
Quote from: broschro on February 18, 2015, 12:08:42 AM
go back to page 1.it says 5:1right on the package.
It might just be the jigmaster 5:1 gear set and not the newell one im showing. Best way, is to pull it out and check.
Just a quick note on the SS bridge screws I am using for this build. I used the 5/8 length and they are the closest to the same length as the bridge screws, however they do stick out a little further.
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20150215_155419_zpsxbdbz62q.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150215_155419_zpsxbdbz62q.jpg.html)
They do not rub on the spool and there is not clearance issues, so I saw no need to trim them. On a side note though, in the accuplates these screws fit PERFECTLY.
Crazy question that I might have to answer myself. Are the 4.8:1 gears the answer for the 112H? I want a high speed 80 pound Tuna Special.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on February 18, 2015, 05:53:35 AM
Crazy question that I might have to answer myself. Are the 4.8:1 gears the answer for the 112H? I want a high speed 80 pound Tuna Special.
Ron
No, Alan Chui is coming out with a new set off 4:1 gears for the jigmaster that will fit the 112h. That would be great gears for that reel!
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 18, 2015, 06:03:55 AM
Quote from: noyb72 on February 18, 2015, 05:53:35 AM
Crazy question that I might have to answer myself. Are the 4.8:1 gears the answer for the 112H? I want a high speed 80 pound Tuna Special.
Ron
No, Alan Chui is coming out with a new set off 4:1 gears for the jigmaster that will fit the 112h. That would be great gears for that reel!
And the code name is "Vice Versa"....
Quote from: Black Pearl on February 18, 2015, 11:43:27 PM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 18, 2015, 06:03:55 AM
Quote from: noyb72 on February 18, 2015, 05:53:35 AM
Crazy question that I might have to answer myself. Are the 4.8:1 gears the answer for the 112H? I want a high speed 80 pound Tuna Special.
Ron
No, Alan Chui is coming out with a new set off 4:1 gears for the jigmaster that will fit the 112h. That would be great gears for that reel!
And the code name is "Vice Versa"....
Haha! I love the code name! Now cant wait to get my hands on it!
OK, Need help deciding on a handle guys! Which one?
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20150214_211820_zpsn9qfx5zh.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150214_211820_zpsn9qfx5zh.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20150218_125804_zpsmxkqk5t5.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150218_125804_zpsmxkqk5t5.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20150217_213155_zps7wbdlw93.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150217_213155_zps7wbdlw93.jpg.html)
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
I'm with the Boss. Number three all the way! ;)
And here I was gonna say number 1 arm with the number 3 handle.
Quote from: alantani on February 20, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
I have been leaning toward that handle as well! I like to 45mm knob on it better as well.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on February 20, 2015, 06:42:25 AM
And here I was gonna say number 1 arm with the number 3 handle.
I would think that but the Penn counterbalance handle is a bit bigger and handles the bigger knob better. I used a 24-49 handle in place of the 24-66 as it is a little beefier and slightly longer.
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20150217_212147_zpsa3w5ezzh.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150217_212147_zpsa3w5ezzh.jpg.html)
Quote from: alantani on February 20, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
X2
I've been going after a custom counterbalance handle for some time, it really makes a world of difference on the Jigmasters and smaller.
I've asked You, Bry Bry, Alan C. with no luck. Alan C. can get it done, but he's just too busy. I asked Adam and they are happening as early as this weekend... can't wait for those.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 20, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on February 20, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
X2
I've been going after a custom counterbalance handle for some time, it really makes a world of difference on the Jigmasters and smaller.
I've asked You, Bry Bry, Alan C. with no luck. I asked Adam and they are happening as early as this weekend... can't wait for those.
Are they modeled After the 24 66 handle And are they 316?
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 20, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on February 20, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
X2
I've been going after a custom counterbalance handle for some time, it really makes a world of difference on the Jigmasters and smaller.
I've asked You, Bry Bry, Alan C. with no luck. Alan C. can get it done, but he's just too busy. I asked Adam and they are happening as early as this weekend... can't wait for those.
I didn't realized you had asked. Sorry.
The difficulty with balanced handles is the "balance" of the weight with the handle...and how big of a weight you will need that will be small enough so you don't hit your hands on it nut large enough balance the handle.
#3 all day 8)
#1 handle arm with #3 nob.....that's my vote
I'll be different, I like #1 and it's still counterbalanced.
for showoff with fellows I would get #3
but for practical purposes #1 have my vote, really nice and it wont show the boat rash as easily as #3
Okay, thanks for the input guys! It looks like #3 is the winner and I agree it is the best one! This reel is become easily one of my favorites and cant wait to get it on the water!!
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 20, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 20, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on February 20, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
X2
I've been going after a custom counterbalance handle for some time, it really makes a world of difference on the Jigmasters and smaller.
I've asked You, Bry Bry, Alan C. with no luck. Alan C. can get it done, but he's just too busy. I asked Adam and they are happening as early as this weekend... can't wait for those.
I didn't realized you had asked. Sorry.
The difficulty with balanced handles is the "balance" of the weight with the handle...and how big of a weight you will need that will be small enough so you don't hit your hands on it nut large enough balance the handle.
I agree Bryan and that is why I used the 24-49 handle for the larger knob.
I gave these a try on the water last season and the 24-49 didn't feel good at all, too long. The 24-155 felt perfect on the Surfmaster and similar size reels, the 24-66 felt great on the Jigmasters.
No need to get perfect with the balance, anything would feel better that the standard handles.
I'm cutting down on spinners for the boat, I'm really enjoying the 155 size reels .
Shhh! They are getting harder to find since you are buying them all up!
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 21, 2015, 03:07:11 AM
Shhh! They are getting harder to find since you are buying them all up!
I always had them, but might just buy some more.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 20, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 20, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: alantani on February 20, 2015, 06:03:45 AM
#3. for this size reel, i personally like counterbalanced.
X2
I've been going after a custom counterbalance handle for some time, it really makes a world of difference on the Jigmasters and smaller.
I've asked You, Bry Bry, Alan C. with no luck. I asked Adam and they are happening as early as this weekend... can't wait for those.
Are they modeled After the 24 66 handle And are they 316?
I believe these are similar to the 24-66.
The stainless steel is the 316, 10 gauge .135" Thick.
When I asked Adam about these, he was already working on them, so can't take the credit for this one.
Sal
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 20, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
Are they modeled After the 24 66 handle And are they 316?
They are drawn to Sals specs. Its pretty close to the Penn handle visually, but I did not have one to measure.
All handle arms I have cut in the past and will cut in the future will be 316 stainless. 316 specifically resists salt water corrosion, so I spec that material for anything external on a reel.
Im going to try to get some waterjet time this weekend, and this is on the to do list.
Quote from: Three se7ens on February 21, 2015, 05:18:10 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 20, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
Are they modeled After the 24 66 handle And are they 316?
They are drawn to Sals specs. Its pretty close to the Penn handle visually, but I did not have one to measure.
All handle arms I have cut in the past and will cut in the future will be 316 stainless. 316 specifically resists salt water corrosion, so I spec that material for anything external on a reel.
Im going to try to get some waterjet time this weekend, and this is on the to do list.
Very nice! I was asking because I stumbled onto some 304 handles that someone had made. But 316 is much better. The specs are very close, but slightly smaller than the 24-66, will be interesting to see these in production! Nice work!
If anyone is looking for this Newell 5:1 gear set as shown on this posting, please contact Brian's Fishing Supply +1 (808) 596-8344. He still has few sets on hand. Get it while you can.
Thanks for this thread everybody!
I'm going to try upgrade my 506 in a similar fashion and wouldn't have even attempted it without the posts on this board.
Thanks...
Quote from: Three se7ens on February 21, 2015, 05:18:10 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on February 20, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
Are they modeled After the 24 66 handle And are they 316?
They are drawn to Sals specs. Its pretty close to the Penn handle visually, but I did not have one to measure.
All handle arms I have cut in the past and will cut in the future will be 316 stainless. 316 specifically resists salt water corrosion, so I spec that material for anything external on a reel.
Im going to try to get some waterjet time this weekend, and this is on the to do list.
Just thought Id add an update on those handles. I have a few finished up and ready to ship, details can be found at http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10632.msg136050#msg136050 and I will have them up on my site tonight.
Very nice jigmaster i hope someday ill beef up mines :D
I finally shaved off the side plates on a JM 505 and a 506 for the Black Pearl spacer. Sanded down the spacers to the correct height . Anyone who has not tried this , it's real easy. Take your time and check often . I'm really happy with the fit. Nice improvement! Thanks to this post and other posts on this subject! Maybe the pics won't be sideways.
Very nice, the gears are now happy. It will feel a little stiff at first, but should work itself in nicely.
Sal
Good work twotone. Nice looking reels you have there. 8)